Ezekiel 33

[Winnie]

Ezekiel is warned that if he does not warn people about turning from there sin and they die in their iniquity, that that person's blood will be required from the watchman's (Ezekiel's) hand.
So does that mean the watchman will die?

 

[ezra]

Ezekiel is warned that if he does not warn people about turning from there sin and they die in their iniquity, that that person's blood will be required from the watchman's (Ezekiel's) hand.
So does that mean the watchman will die?

it doesnt say the watchman will die . he will have to bear the responsibility of warning.. imo in today standards we should warn our family friends of the coming judgment and how to escape that judgement it goes to preacher to warn his congregation if he fails to do so out of neglect he stands in judgment..but not death

 

[ezra]

but we do know God was very serious in the o.t Physical death did take place for not obeying . so in them days the watchmna could be put to death.but in this side of Grace we stand in judgment..

 

[Jim Parker]

Ezekiel is warned that if he does not warn people about turning from there sin and they die in their iniquity, that that person's blood will be required from the watchman's (Ezekiel's) hand.
So does that mean the watchman will die?

Yup.
In this case, the watchman is specifically appointed for the purpose of warning the people.
If he fails to do so, and calamity follows, he will be put to death.

 

[eddif]

As you read this Ezekiel passage you must know how the people will receive eternal life.

The scripture in force at that time is this:
II Chronicles 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

This is a temporary benefit for their land.

Ezekiel also prophesied of the coming Spirit in heart and mind (which is the new covenant).

I Peter 3:18 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Those later (those who grieved over the sins of Israel) would in Abraham’s bosom later hear the gospel, and have a chance to accept Jesus for eternal life.

This is a complex question, and it has a complex answer. It may take many scriptures to work through the subject.

Old covenant and coming new covenant are in Ezekiel. John the Baptist repeats the two actions that must happen to people who repent.
1. Believe in the one who comes after me.
2. Receive Holy Spirit and Fire (very little true understanding of baptism of fire).

Redneck
eddif

 

[Andyintheuk]

but we do know God was very serious in the o.t Physical death did take place for not obeying . so in them days the watchmna could be put to death.but in this side of Grace we stand in judgment..

The equivalent passage in the NT is the parable of the man with one talent -
“But his Lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Matthew 25:26‭-‬30 NKJV.

A messenger who doesn't pass on the message is about as much use as a power cut (outage in American).

We're all messengers, sharing the good news AKA the great commission.

So is the death penalty for failure mandatory? Even in the OT, no. See the story of Jonah. God gave the instruction and Jonah and disappeared. God could have passed the death sentence on him and he'd have drowned. But no God gave Jonah another chance and Jonah accepted, reluctantly.

God sets rules and standards, and then He bends and breaks those rules because He absolutely loves each of us to bits -
Say to them: ‘ As I live,’ says the Lord God , ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’ Ezekiel 33:11 NKJ

 

[Razeontherock]

Yup.
In this case, the watchman is specifically appointed for the purpose of warning the people.
If he fails to do so, and calamity follows, he will be put to death.

Hmmm. The "calamity" itself would likely lead to the watchman's own death, would it not? It's kinda hard to be complacent in a life or death situation.

The passage in Ezekiel is such a great word picture, largely because of this! It illustrates the inner compassion we are to have, in a very outwardly visible way in the story. If the watchman were to survive his failure of duty and being put to death was mandatory as you state, that certainly goes along with this.

I always held "blood required of his hand" to refer to eternal judgment, but that may well reflect my NT understanding and this is one of those OT harsh realities I missed. Interesting topic ...

 

[ezra]

Hmmm. The "calamity" itself would likely lead to the watchman's own death, would it not? It's kinda hard to be complacent in a life or death situation.

The passage in Ezekiel is such a great word picture, largely because of this! It illustrates the inner compassion we are to have, in a very outwardly visible way in the story. If the watchman were to survive his failure of duty and being put to death was mandatory as you state, that certainly goes along with this.

I always held "blood required of his hand" to refer to eternal judgment, but that may well reflect my NT understanding and this is one of those OT harsh realities I missed. Interesting topic ...

o.t no doubt it would be death.. we are all watchman how times have we failed to warn . naboth refused to compromise he refused to sell his vineyard . how many times just in our family alone have we failed to warn...? in my early years of marriage i had a good friend shot 8 times by his stepdad.. then the wife bro drown.. my mom told me the hand writing was on the wall -i was warned

 

[Jim Parker]

Hmmm. The "calamity" itself would likely lead to the watchman's own death, would it not? It's kinda hard to be complacent in a life or death situation.

The passage in Ezekiel is such a great word picture, largely because of this! It illustrates the inner compassion we are to have, in a very outwardly visible way in the story. If the watchman were to survive his failure of duty and being put to death was mandatory as you state, that certainly goes along with this.

I always held "blood required of his hand" to refer to eternal judgment, but that may well reflect my NT understanding and this is one of those OT harsh realities I missed. Interesting topic ...

Consider that a Roman soldier found asleep while on guard would be put to death.
The guards of prisons would be put to death if their prisoners escaped.(Acts 12:18-19)
Today, sleeping on guard duty is a court martial offense and, in war time, could bring the death penalty.

 

[Razeontherock]

Consider that a Roman soldier found asleep while on guard would be put to death.
The guards of prisons would be put to death if their prisoners escaped.(Acts 12:18-19)
Today, sleeping on guard duty is a court martial offense and, in war time, could bring the death penalty.

Yeah, so about that stone being rolled away ...



I'm thinking more than a few folks got hung out to dry over that one?

 

[Jim Parker]

Yeah, so about that stone being rolled away ...



I'm thinking more than a few folks got hung out to dry over that one?

No. They actually got a pass.
After the resurrection:
Mat 28:11-15 As the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and told the leading priests what had happened.
A meeting with the elders was called, and they decided to give the soldiers a large bribe. They told the soldiers, “You must say, ‘Jesus’ disciples came during the night while we were sleeping, and they stole his body.’ If the governor hears about it, we’ll stand up for you so you won’t get in trouble.”
So the guards accepted the bribe and said what they were told to say. Their story spread widely among the Jews, and they still tell it today.

 

[Razeontherock]

Yup, I'm just wondering how well the old Jews pleading on behalf of dereliction of duty went over ... always seemed like a plot leak to me, lol. Easy enough to just "reassign" those responsible elsewhere and then whack 'em, away from the Jews.

I'd rather believe those soldiers got saved though!

Back to Ezekiel's watcher on the wall, does dereliction of duty there in any way implicate judgment before God's throne?

 

[eddif]

Yup, I'm just wondering how well the old Jews pleading on behalf of dereliction of duty went over ... always seemed like a plot leak to me, lol. Easy enough to just "reassign" those responsible elsewhere and then whack 'em, away from the Jews.

I'd rather believe those soldiers got saved though!

Back to Ezekiel's watcher on the wall, does dereliction of duty there in any way implicate judgment before God's throne?

I Corinthians 3:14 KJV
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

We are in the area of comprehending the first and second death. The Old Testament would have been more atune to physical death. The New Testament would be more centered
On the second death

The Lambs book of Life allows the fire to consume dross.

You may just have to just tell your thoughts.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Winnie]

When reading further, it does say physical death. I don't know where exactly, but I will look it up.