Faith a practical theory

[HBEtechnician]

Have you ever the term "Make the best of a bad situation." This is faith in a nutshell, faith is a natural ability we all have that helps us cope in a contradictive crisis.

Example.

Your partner and you have a fight one night over something that's been an issue for many months. After yelling at each other for a long time your partner shouts at you that they are leaving and never coming back. They pick up there car keys and walk out, the door slams behind them and soon they drive away. Soon you begin to calm down then from there you can only think two things (Will my partner return or will they not return?) You now face a contradictive crisis.

The more you try to resolve the contradiction mentally the more contradictions you will create (Will my partner be safe or not? will my partner tell someone else about our fight or not? will my partner go find someone else or not?) The reason more contradictions are created is that a contradictive crisis is a subjective non absolute and the rational mind can't deal with non absolutes. The rational mind can only deal with objective absolutes (One idea at a time) and when it tries to deal with a contradictive non absolute it will only create more contradictions to evade the core contradiction.

Now while you keep adding more and more subjective ideas your mind will start to suffer pain and soon it becomes unable to cope with all the mental stress. The only way out of this mental dilemma is to use a faculty that can live in a subjective contradiction. "Faith" faith is to make the best of a bad situation, that is to say to (Hope that your partner will return home soon, but be prepared that if they don't return by morning you'll deal with it then.) Since faith can live in a contradiction the rational mind can turn off for a while and feel more relaxed and sedated.

"Faith' is actually hoping on two opposites at the same time without having to rationally think between two opposites all the time, otherwise if your partner does return home that night you might blame them for your mental anguish when you could have used your faith instead.

 

[Brother Mike]

Faith is not hoping on two opposites,that is not faith. That is unbelief. Not only is it unbelief, but a mind of a unstable person.

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
(Jas 1:6-8)

Not only that, but a fool places their faith on their own reasoning. Will they come back? Are they safe?
The first two thoughts are not if they will return or not. If you yell at someone to the point they have to leave, the first thought better be getting right with the Lord, and quick.


Mike.

 

[HBEtechnician]

Talk all you want about it but I'm not defending my any of my claims, it's for those who can understand the process and the principle behind faith.

 

[Edward]

Interesting theory there, HBEtechnician, but my experience mirrors Brother Mike's thoughts...

Faith is not simply making the best of a bad situation, nor believing on two different outcomes. To have faith in Jesus means to trust him. Fully and without reservation. When a person has faith in Jesus, it means that he or she believes who Jesus is (God in human form) and trusts what Jesus has done (died. was buried, and was resurrected)...and will do as He has promised.

Personal experience can prove this to you, just as it did for me. We are all given the measure of faith initially, and we have to choose to put our faith (trust) into Him. It's a personal relationship thing that must be built up on both sides. To build a resume of trust with the Lord takes two things. Belief and obedience, perhaps patience also. It involves a risk of some sort.

Just like learning to trust a new friend. He wants to borrow money. Do you loan it to him? Will he pay you back? You don't know the first time you loan him because it's the first time, he has no track record with you. So you'd have to (choose) to trust him. If he pays you back on time, a measure of trustworthiness is established on his side and yours. You chose to hold the belief that he would pay you back (obedience) and (trusted) him. The next time he needs to borrow money, you'd probably even loan him more than before, because He came through like He said He would. God does not lie, He wont let you down. (personal experience.)

Once you choose to trust Him, the ball's in His court. After He comes through for you, you can assume to be expected to trust Him even more next time because He was as good as His Word. That's how it works. I call it building a resume of trust.

Reading through the bible we can see all sorts of promises from Him to us all throughout scripture. If He was faithful in a small thing, then He should be faithful in a big thing, and He will be. I'd suggest cultivating your faith with the Lord. Lay a problem at His feet that is of the type that He has made a promise about in scripture, pray about it and ask. Then stop worrying about it and put it out of your mind. and see what happens. Whenever I have done this...He has always come through.

 

[HBEtechnician]

Interesting theory there, HBEtechnician, but my experience mirrors Brother Mike's thoughts...

Faith is not simply making the best of a bad situation, nor believing on two different outcomes. To have faith in Jesus means to trust him. Fully and without reservation. When a person has faith in Jesus, it means that he or she believes who Jesus is (God in human form) and trusts what Jesus has done (died. was buried, and was resurrected)...and will do as He has promised.

Personal experience can prove this to you, just as it did for me. We are all given the measure of faith initially, and we have to choose to put our faith (trust) into Him. It's a personal relationship thing that must be built up on both sides. To build a resume of trust with the Lord takes two things. Belief and obedience, perhaps patience also. It involves a risk of some sort.

Just like learning to trust a new friend. He wants to borrow money. Do you loan it to him? Will he pay you back? You don't know the first time you loan him because it's the first time, he has no track record with you. So you'd have to (choose) to trust him. If he pays you back on time, a measure of trustworthiness is established on his side and yours. You chose to hold the belief that he would pay you back (obedience) and (trusted) him. The next time he needs to borrow money, you'd probably even loan him more than before, because He came through like He said He would. God does not lie, He wont let you down. (personal experience.)

Once you choose to trust Him, the ball's in His court. After He comes through for you, you can assume to be expected to trust Him even more next time because He was as good as His Word. That's how it works. I call it building a resume of trust.

Reading through the bible we can see all sorts of promises from Him to us all throughout scripture. If He was faithful in a small thing, then He should be faithful in a big thing, and He will be. I'd suggest cultivating your faith with the Lord. Lay a problem at His feet that is of the type that He has made a promise about in scripture, pray about it and ask. Then stop worrying about it and put it out of your mind. and see what happens. Whenever I have done this...He has always come through.

Yes you do choose what to put your faith into, in the case of the Christian it's to have hope that Jesus has saved them but at the same time prepare themselves not to end up in hell.

You see it's still based on the same faith principle that I have demonstrated in my OP.

 

[Free]

Have you ever the term "Make the best of a bad situation." This is faith in a nutshell, faith is a natural ability we all have that helps us cope in a contradictive crisis.

Example.

Your partner and you have a fight one night over something that's been an issue for many months. After yelling at each other for a long time your partner shouts at you that they are leaving and never coming back. They pick up there car keys and walk out, the door slams behind them and soon they drive away. Soon you begin to calm down then from there you can only think two things (Will my partner return or will they not return?) You now face a contradictive crisis.

The more you try to resolve the contradiction mentally the more contradictions you will create (Will my partner be safe or not? will my partner tell someone else about our fight or not? will my partner go find someone else or not?) The reason more contradictions are created is that a contradictive crisis is a subjective non absolute and the rational mind can't deal with non absolutes. The rational mind can only deal with objective absolutes (One idea at a time) and when it tries to deal with a contradictive non absolute it will only create more contradictions to evade the core contradiction.

Now while you keep adding more and more subjective ideas your mind will start to suffer pain and soon it becomes unable to cope with all the mental stress. The only way out of this mental dilemma is to use a faculty that can live in a subjective contradiction. "Faith" faith is to make the best of a bad situation, that is to say to (Hope that your partner will return home soon, but be prepared that if they don't return by morning you'll deal with it then.) Since faith can live in a contradiction the rational mind can turn off for a while and feel more relaxed and sedated.

"Faith' is actually hoping on two opposites at the same time without having to rationally think between two opposites all the time, otherwise if your partner does return home that night you might blame them for your mental anguish when you could have used your faith instead.

This is not at all the biblical definition of faith.

http://www.str.org/videos/greg-koukl---what-is-faith#.VaRUkbtRFdg

 

[HBEtechnician]

This is not at all the biblical definition of faith.

http://www.str.org/videos/greg-koukl---what-is-faith#.VaRUkbtRFdg

Why must I define faith by the standard of the bible when I'm not a Christian.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Free]

Why must I define faith by the standard of the bible when I'm not a Christian.

That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you're trying to make an argument against the faith that Christian have; your argument would be a straw man. And it is a better definition than yours. Yours is just hope, not faith. We put our faith in all sorts of things every day that supports the biblical definition of faith. You sit in a chair because you looked at it and it looks sturdy and able to hold you up. You go on a road trip because you've checked your oil and tires and have every reason to believe your car will get you to your destination without breaking down. As was stated previously, we put our faith--our trust--in people to get something done or keep a secret because they have shown in the past that they are capable of doing so.

Faith is based on evidence and reason.

 

[HBEtechnician]

It does if you're trying to make an argument against the faith that Christian have; your argument would be a straw man. And it is a better definition than yours. Yours is just hope, not faith. We put our faith in all sorts of things every day that supports the biblical definition of faith. You sit in a chair because you looked at it and it looks sturdy and able to hold you up. You go on a road trip because you've checked your oil and tires and have every reason to believe your car will get you to your destination without breaking down. As was stated previously, we put our faith--our trust--in people to get something done or keep a secret because they have shown in the past that they are capable of doing so.

Faith is based on evidence and reason.

Yes it is, and that's why it always needs to go into the thing that needs it.

 

[Free]

Yes it is, and that's why it always needs to go into the thing that needs it.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

 

[HBEtechnician]

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Like you said, everyone has faith in things and it's evident. I agree, but however faith works best when you put into the thing that needs it.

Say as in my OP you do put your faith in your partner to return home soon, but also at the same had faith that if they didn't you would deal with the next day. Two things will happen, first you will remain relaxed and hopeful for your partner to return or untill you meet them again. Second, once you do meet your partner again they will recognize that you had hope in them and that will help the repairing process.

 

[Free]

Like you said, everyone has faith in things and it's evident. I agree, but however faith works best when you put into the thing that needs it.

Say as in my OP you do put your faith in your partner to return home soon, but also at the same had faith that if they didn't you would deal with the next day. Two things will happen, first you will remain relaxed and hopeful for your partner to return or untill you meet them again. Second, once you do meet your partner again they will recognize that you had hope in them and that will help the repairing process.

As I stated, your definition of "faith" isn't faith at all, but hope. That is what my examples show. The Bible got it right.

 

[HBEtechnician]

As I stated, your definition of "faith" isn't faith at all, but hope. That is what my examples show. The Bible got it right.

Hope is faith in action.

 

[john darling]

Faith is not simply making the best of a bad situation, nor believing on two different outcomes.

But faith may include these kinds of things?

 

[electricaluser]

You Christians are ace, I feel so much at home here.

 

[Brother Mike]

You Christians are ace, I feel so much at home here.

When we are not battling each other over doctrine, we try to make it feel homey around here.

But faith may include these kinds of things?

Faith never picks a plan B, as that is being double minded and unstable. Faith is not making the best of a bad situation, as Faith never considers the "Situation" or looks at what is seen.

As I stated, your definition of "faith" isn't faith at all, but hope. That is what my examples show. The Bible got it right.

I would give this a like, but there is no like button Like +1

Mike.

 

[electricaluser]

When we are not battling each other over doctrine, we try to make it feel homey around here.



Faith never picks a plan B, as that is being double minded and unstable. Faith is not making the best of a bad situation, as Faith never considers the "Situation" or looks at what is seen.



I would give this a like, but there is no like button Like +1

Mike.

Brother Mike, I am overwhelmed with a desire to fellowship with everyone here. I haven't left the forums for 30 hours.

 

[Brother Mike]

Brother Mike, I am overwhelmed with a desire to fellowship with everyone here. I haven't left the forums for 30 hours.

Well, then that must be a God thing to have that draw you. It's not all about doctrines and religion. You can see on a diverse forum all the different views of God. That can be a good thing if you want to understand the differences.

What I love about God is His faithfulness, and power He wants to display in our lives. He is always there to help, for those that trust in Him. God has used me in some pretty amazing things. Laying hands on the sick, seeing them get healed instantly. Seeing God fix families, and the list goes on.

Blessings.

 

[electricaluser]

Well, then that must be a God thing to have that draw you. It's not all about doctrines and religion. You can see on a diverse forum all the different views of God. That can be a good thing if you want to understand the differences.

What I love about God is His faithfulness, and power He wants to display in our lives. He is always there to help, for those that trust in Him. God has used me in some pretty amazing things. Laying hands on the sick, seeing them get healed instantly. Seeing God fix families, and the list goes on.

Blessings.

He is worth the desire.

 

[john darling]

Faith never picks a plan B, as that is being double minded and unstable. Faith is not making the best of a bad situation, as Faith never considers the "Situation" or looks at what is seen.

Can you provide some scirptural support for this? Thanks