False signs arising

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  1. Watching Thomas

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    Okay, we live in very disturbing times. Many of us believe something strange is happening in the world. Like it could be end times. The Bible warns of false prophets and false signs. Here is a false sign:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/42042...ald-trumps-presidency-world-war-3-exact-date/

    The news is about a prediction by a mystic of war this year, WWIII. It is possible it will occur. Please check my blog to see what I think about a coming war. However, if a secular 'prophet' makes a prophecy which proves correct then it is likely to end up leading people away from God. This is the opposite of a Christian believer who gets a sign from God which turns out correct as that sort of sign points to the truth of the Lordship of Christ and the power of God.

    What are your thoughts?

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    The Sun is a kook publication.
     
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    Agreed, you DId find more outlets that reported it. That does not make them all kook sites, but it also does not change the fact that the "reports" are simply reports of kook news.

    As to your question about end times, go as that in the proper forum, where those self-appointed 'experts' will respond to you and tell you what you want to hear.

    As to your question about this "misleading many" - well, it will mislead SOME. The world has always been full of gullible, easily swayed people. As to those of us with sense, no, this means nothing. This person did NOT predict Trumps' win and the May 2017 date has passed. Just another Hal Lindsey (who on a personal level, I liked, it's just that he was no prophet and was wrong about so much of what he said).
     
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    Jesus said when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, earthqakes in different places, famines, and pestilence, know that the end is nearing. Christians are to live by faith. Jesus said there will be no sign except the sign of Noah: speaking of his death, burial, and resurrection.
    If we are living by faith there should no fear or worry foe the believer: for to be absent from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord.
     
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    Pizza, I did not think you would be swayed by it since you have your discernment activated. I do hope it is only some who get misled and not many. However, I do worry about the population at large when I read stuff like this; https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/fake-news-survey?utm_term=.wjBl7y9dNK#.xbkMBnJVa9 and https://sheg.stanford.edu/upload/V3LessonPlans/Executive Summary 11.21.16.pdf

    I agree dirtfarmer. As I told my wife, if bombs start falling on our city, don't worry about it. I also said it would be better for one to fall right on our house and blow us into heaven than have one fall at the end of the street and have the job of digging out survivors and living through the aftermath. But I guess that is selfish, the Lord may want us to remain and be witnesses to Him rather than go quickly to be with Him.

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    wow...this is interesting. i always find looking at non-american media outlets helpful. gives things more balance, for me at least.

    i have odd feelings. i read a lot of counterpunch (www.counterpunch.org) . Yes, I know; a lot of the stuff is from straight up Marxists with PhDs and such. Now and then, though, they'll have pieces from people all over the political and ideological spectrum, largely because...well, with media going the way it is now, somebody's got to give these people a place to voice their take on things.

    anyway, counterpunch has had some surprisingly well-written articles by decidedly non-Christian people recently about the very real possibility of disaster for mankind. one article was written by a well-meaning, humane radical...i seem to recall some references to Hindu thought, cycles of creation and destruction. Clearly not my cup of tea now, but...the point remains: things have gotten rough at all levels, and I do sometimes wonder if The Lord is moving things closer to The End sooner, rather than later.

    As a Christian in "The Bible Belt," I find it...interesting...that a church here locally will put up signs about the disaster of gay marriage, but they don't say a single word about: growing inequality, poverty, war and its aftermath, the ill effects of having so many people in prison+jail, drug ODs and the fall out from drug abuse and the "War on Drugs," etc. But...any "trans-" issue arises, you bet their sign will have a pithy statement.

    I guess...well, to die is gain, to live is Christ. I'm coming to understand and absorb that, at long last...or I should say The Lord is moving in my heart+life in such a way that I'm...getting there, I hope+pray.

    Still, I do think it interesting that 21st century culture is such that non-Christian people will sound the alarm, often for perfectly reasonable, rational reasons (global warming, for instance...), and many churches seem to be too focused on LGBTQ and such to really engage in a meaningful conversation with those outside (mostly Protestant) Christendom about the world around us. I don't get it.
     
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    I hope the way you see things doesn't get you into trouble. I see things a bit like you and it does get me trouble. : (

    For example, a Christian was saying to me about some problem, maybe homosexuality, as if it was the worst thing our country faced and I asked what about our border biosecurity issues and profit-greed issues? Currently we have prawn white spot infestation, fire ant infestation, watermelon mosaic virus infestation, Panama virus (bananas) infestation, varroa mite (bees/honey). All these things have snuck into Australia because government departments have not taken biosecurity seriously enough. The infestations are likely to cost us billions upon billions of dollars, it is pushing up the price of food making us more reliant on overseas sources of food (think China) and even worse, is making it increasingly hard for folks trying to grow vegetables and fruit in their backyards. And then there are things like Australia's biggest bank, the Commonwealth, thinking only of profit and neglecting to properly check their new automated smart tellers, consequently, billions of dollars of transactions has gone undetected with money laundering by criminal gangs and terrorist organisations. Anyway, the Christian I am talking to gets glassy eyed and I know I have talked too much. It is just in my opinion that our quality of life is currently being destroyed by all sorts of things and Christians seem to be distracted with fighting over gay marriage. In my mind gay marriage issue is less of a problem than terrorists being assisted by our big Australian bank and our agriculture being destroyed by pests coming from overseas.

    I understand how you can see things which other Christians do not seem very concerned about but you think Christians should be concerned about.

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    hello Watching Thomas, dirtfarmer here

    According to Romans 1:18-23 states that God has revealed to man his eternal power and Godhead but man didn't glorify Him nor were they thankful. They say evolution is truth, that there is no God of creation: for this, God has given those up to uncleanness and they dishonor their bodies with vile affection. Men with men and women changing their natural use into that which is against nature, women with women.

    It is my belief that we are to love all with a Godly love, but hate the sins that they commit. While I will agree that the world is becoming more depraved, it is my belief that we are responsible to tell them they are on the road to destruction with a Godly love. It may cost us our lives but if we are true believers we should be concerned about death, it is only a door to a better place to live.
     
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    Hi Dirtfarmer, I understand what you are saying there, please note that I never said my Christian sister was wrong but that there are so many issues facing the place where I live that it is a bit like when my father had a medical emergency. I had to race him to hospital. His heart kept stopping. And after a short time would somehow restart. In hospital the doctors could have upbraided him about his occasional over indulging in whisky, eating food sometimes that was too fatty, not doing enough exercise, cooking food in the evening and leaving it to cool all night on the bench in a tropical climate, sometimes missing taking his tablets, but they did not. Even though all those things my dad's health would have benefited from changing, the doctors did emergency stuff then an operation to keep his heart going. They made choices about what they could do for him right then and there and what seemed the most important.

    I have long given up trying to make the world perfect. I have limited resources in a big bad world and so I pray and seek the Lord on how best I should use those resources. Where I live we have so many social problems I do not have the time nor space to explain them all. I will mention one, a prostitute in my town was in the news a day ago complaining that the fine men of my city were spurning her services for the myriad of overseas fly-in-fly-out ladies who were doing the same job without protection, if you know what I mean, and so doing her out of business. It says nothing good about my city that prostitution is so open nor that seemingly a good number of residents are so driven by lust that they are engaging in such ungodly practices including spreading diseases. And this one like many, many other problems has nothing to do with homosexual marriage.

    Given there are problems in my city killing and maiming and destroying more people than homosexual marriage ever will, my fight against homosexual marriage is way down my list. Did you know that black lung disease in coal miners was supposed to have been eradicated decades ago in the area I used to live? I worked in coal mines as did other family members. Now black lung disease is killing miners and no surprise, it seems the reason why black lung vanished was because the testing was being covered up by big companies and government. The disease itself had not gone. Saved the companies billions of dollars. And miners back then when the disease was supposed to be gone but dying were not being tested properly to see if it was black lung killing them. Probably was but was covered up. So there is this huge problem with men dying and suffering because of the greed of others intent on making billions. I think that a bigger problem than if some ladies want to marry other ladies.

    I agree but in practice for me to do that I would be doorknocking most of my city homes and businesses because precious few know the way of the Lord. Many on the road to destruction. And I used to do street witnessing but not any more. So in practice I aim at doing things about what I think are bigger problems. Maybe I am sinning by doing that.

    I guess in your country you don't have atheists or cults or people doing pornography or drugs or domestic violence or big companies ripping off disempowered customers or businesses underpaying honest workers or any other sinful behaviours which have got those doing them squarely on the road to destruction? You just got homosexuals wanting to get married so that is the only thing you need to protest about.

    [edit: Dirtfarmer, sorry if I seem to be having a go at you, I am not. I have read various other posts of yours and respect you for your gentle approach and love for the Lord.]

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    Another thing : ). As I was cooking dinner I thought of how my city is famous in Australia for being an 'obesity' capital. We have have a higher percentage of people so overweight it is killing them than most places in Australia. Because they are getting sick they are clogging up the hospitals. The hospitals are having to upgrade the beds at huge cost because they are dealing with people too big for normal beds. They need more staff to handle people in bed. We get free hospital and the costs are skyrocketing so taxes are going up. And researchers keep finding links between fast food and obesity. International fast food companies are making billions of dollars serving up foods making people in my city famous for being fat. Another thing my city is famous for is that we have more fast food outlets per head of population than any other in Australia. And more are going in. I think there is sin happening here somewhere brother. Certainly injustice. Is the greed of the fast food outlets selling food which is known to cause health problems worse than homosexuals getting married? Right know the problem of obesity is killing people slowly and painfully. I have not heard any sermons about it and no pastors calling for changes in laws or for healthy fast food.

    Sometimes how we see sin and how we think one sin is worse than another is dependent on our culture. I read about an American missionary who went to Africa. The head missionary in the area told the new missionary that the natives were full of sexual sin and nothing he did seemed to convince them to change. He often preached his heart out against sexual sin and living in sin but with little effect. The new missionary spent time getting to know the locals and eventually the problem of sexual sin came up. The local agreed that there was sexual sin. But then the local hesitantly asked why the head missionary lived in sin but expected them to give up sin. The new missionary was shocked and asked for evidence. The local said that in their culture, sexual sin was not as bad as arguing and fighting with your partner and the head missionary did that regularly and the whole village heard it. So for the locals, their interpretation of Scripture such as Matthew 5:22, Colossians 3:8, James 1:20 for some reason made believe the head missionary was living in worse sin than them. Consequently when the head missionary preached about sin, his listeners simply wondered why he did not stop sinning himself. Culturally, the American head missionary thought sexual sin was worse than fighting with one's spouse but the locals thought fighting with one's spouse to be worse sin than sexual sin.

    In summary, my point is that we are surrounded by sin of various types. God wants us to hate all sin. Yet often in churches, it seems that only a fraction of the sin around us gets any mention. It is as if we have blinkers on as to what sin we see. And I think those blinkers are often powerfully influenced by what culture we live in. Which in a way brings me back to the topic of this thread and that is we live in disturbing times and we can expect the enemy to especially try and disturb faithful believers in the Lord. One way the enemy can do that is get believers all hot and bothered about issues and divided. Personally I believe we need to be careful of issues which try and divide us.

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    Why do you have an account on Facebook? (Just curious)...

    My wife and kids have them but I've never seen the need to have one...
     
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    yeah, im with Uncle Siggy on this one. Some people --do-- need Facebook, for family+work and such. Me? Not so much. I had it back when a friend insisted I get on it and be more "sociable." Great. Fake "friends" keeping tabs on me. Not my thing. Thankfully, about 7 years or so, I was able to delete my account, although back then it took some doing (the whole process took about 2 weeks, which I found ridiculous...).

    Being Facebook free has been great for me, personally. People who want to get in touch figure out a way to --call-- me, on my --phone--. Imagine that, LOL. Plus, I'm not putting my fav books+music on display, then being accused of being pretentious or "trying to be cool" or...blah blah blah. I really do think that social media encourages a degree of what the "experts" term narcissism, even in otherwise decent people. I honestly think its just "the nature of the beast."
     
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    I read the other day that Facebook was probably the biggest news media outlet in the world. It is not set up as a proper news outlet but it does channel heaps of "news".

    That is a concern. Facebook seems good for some people but as Christ-empowered said, it certainly does bring out the worst in others.

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    hello Watching Thomas, dirtfarmer here

    I wasn't saying that homosexuality is the sin that should be called out the most, but that where it is present and accepted as a way or an alternative way of life, reveals how depraved that the world has become: USA included. We, in the USA, are hemorrhaging with sin. It is in almost every aspect of our way life.

    What i thought that I was saying was, when you see it as open as it is here, you should know that your country is in big trouble with all sin on a rampage, and not just homosexuality. Like a wildfire spreading with hardly any way to contain it.

    I don't see many that are concerned with sin, but they just pick out their " I'm against pet sin" and forget about the rest.

    Thank you for your kind words in the last sentence, but I am not sure that I am worthy of them.

    As to your PS in the next post: I agree that there are things that we don't do in moderation that we should and these habits cause us problems. There are things that shouldn't be done in the presence of a weaker brother and cause his conscience to be hindered, even though we know that they are permissible.
     
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    Yes, I agree. Done some farming and even very short dry grass in extra hot weather burns fast and is scary. Chased a small escaped wildfire when I was burning out old stumps in a paddock with a tractor and discs to stop it. Not fun. I know in Australia things seem to be overheated with sin. Makes me think wildfires are going to be popping up and challenging us. I think the same is happening in your country.

    Yup, I agree, that too is a vexing problem.

    I was just telling it as I see it, Dirtfarmer.

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