Feminism - Let's just do it

[DarkHorseRising]

So I can tell there's some individuals who are itching to tackle this topic; to the point that "feminism" comments are crawling into things that have only tangential connections to them. So, I'm down for just having it out here.

I don't think feminism is in any way the threat that some people make it out to be. The original feminism was to allow women to be seen under the law as persons; to own property and be able to vote. Then it extended to allowing women equal protection at jobs. So far, so good. Nowadays mainstream "feminism" (nobody really calls it that anymore) seems to have calmed down considerably as women are generally treated as equals by governments, courts, and employers.

I sometimes wonder if the people most opposed to equality for women are themselves more threatened than average by the prospect. I know I'm as comfortable with a woman supervisor as a man, ditto for coworkers.

At the very least, people can hopefully distinguish between radical feminism (which should be ignored, like radicals from any demographic including religious), and women in general. Because I've seen a lot of pretty misogynistic posts on here lately.

Well, I dunno what to say. Shall someone post a long angry rant about females, perhaps?

Oh, one final request: if anyone feels the need to talk about "Marxist feminists", can you kindly explain the link between the two? Because women didn't exactly fare too well under communism, and Marx himself was a womanizer who got his housekeeper pregnant.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I'm not opposed feminism, as in women having equal rights and opportunity for employment and careers. What's wrong with it? (Being a woman myself. Hehe.)

It irks me just a little bit when I see others acting like we're still being oppressed, though and claim that businesses are less likely to hire women. (Which may be true, but I rather doubt it as there are female employees, like, just about everywhere.)
That said, I believe some countries, like Saudi Arabia, do still treat women as inferior. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) So I can understand if they were talking about other countries.

 

[joethemechanic]

Darkhorse, Every word you speak is pure feminist rhetoric. You have been indoctrinated by your liberal education.

In previous threads you have stated you have never had a girlfriend. Please get back to me about how much you believe in feminism after you have suffered a few "breakups"

I've got news for you, feminism was never about "equal rights" for women. It was about busting up the family unit in order to increase dependence on the government.

I was there in the 60's when all this feminist stuff started. It was started by communists, lesbians, and those who practiced witchcraft.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...feminism was never about "equal rights" for women. It was about busting up the family unit in order to increase dependence on the government.

Yes.

I was hoping as I started reading through this thread that we would focus on where feminism really matters...in the home.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Darkhorse, Every word you speak is pure feminist rhetoric. You have been indoctrinated by your liberal education.

In previous threads you have stated you have never had a girlfriend. Please get back to me about how much you believe in feminism after you have suffered a few "breakups"

I've got news for you, feminism was never about "equal rights" for women. It was about busting up the family unit in order to increase dependence on the government.

I was there in the 60's when all this feminist stuff started. It was started by communists, lesbians, and those who practiced witchcraft.

*grabs some popcorn* WHy is it that no one but a handful of conservatives know the real history behind everything and it always involves witchcraft, the gays, and communism?

Its almost as if its just made up and used as political rhetoric. *chomps on popcorn*

 

[Grazer]

*grabs some popcorn* WHy is it that no one but a handful of conservatives know the real history behind everything and it always involves witchcraft, the gays, and communism?

Its almost as if its just made up and used as political rhetoric. *chomps on popcorn*

*helps himself to popcorn* But it sounds very cool in a conspiratorial way

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Joe, three guesses whose nonsense on other threads inspired me to start this one?

Darkhorse, Every word you speak is pure feminist rhetoric. You have been indoctrinated by your liberal education.

My liberal education in zoology and physics? That's a good one, and I can see a response being necessary if I were in the humanities or social sciences. But as I've focused on sciences since high school, that can't really be it, can it?

In previous threads you have stated you have never had a girlfriend. Please get back to me about how much you believe in feminism after you have suffered a few "breakups"

I have? That's news to me. I've never had sex, and never been married, but I don't see how that is relevant.

I've got news for you, feminism was never about "equal rights" for women. It was about busting up the family unit in order to increase dependence on the government.

Before feminism, women couldn't vote. Now they can. Ditto for owning property, or working most jobs. These are probably the big three for feminism. Kindly explain how any of these has broken up the family unit?

If you want to get right down to it, I'm pretty sure that more marriages end due to men's infidelity than women attempting to vote. But we don't actually want to go down that path, do we?

I was there in the 60's when all this feminist stuff started. It was started by communists, lesbians, and those who practiced witchcraft.

I admit the lesbianism fits in with your theory, however nonsensical it may be. But communists? Witchcraft? Tell me Joe, is your last name McCarthy Jr.?

 

[DarkHorseRising]

*grabs some popcorn* WHy is it that no one but a handful of conservatives know the real history behind everything and it always involves witchcraft, the gays, and communism?

Glad you're enjoying the entertainment ^_^

I have an answer to that question, but it involves the Illuminati, Area 51, Bigfoot, and Charlie Sheen.

Its almost as if its just made up and used as political rhetoric. *chomps on popcorn*

*gasp* No! Perish the thought!

 

[joethemechanic]

*grabs some popcorn* WHy is it that no one but a handful of conservatives know the real history behind everything and it always involves witchcraft, the gays, and communism?

I was alive in the 60's and 70's. What you read now is revisionist history. Do you really think it was about some nice intelligent girls who wanted equal pay?

I can assure you it was a bunch of nasty man haters all tied up in "new age" theology who rejected everything to do with family values and Christianity.

Here is just one result.

When I was a kid if a girl or woman was unmarried and pregnant it was a terribly shameful thing. Now more than half of all babies are born to unwed mothers.

Is that progress?

 

[Brightmorningstar]

I fully agree with questdriven.

Actually feminism is just trying to do act as God purposes but by denying God.
God chose women, whose testimony was not recoginised in the culture at the time, to first see the risen Lord. As the NT says even the husband's body belongs to the wife.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Oh man this thread.
This thread right here.

Feminism is just about as backwards as anything can be. The whole "woman power" thing is silly and not necessary anymore.

It's not the twenties anymore, they can vote, get jobs, lead a household, and do anything a man can do legally.

As a matter of fact they actually have it better than men is some situations.

In family court men get the short end, in actual court the men are always wrong, it's assault and battery even in self defense. It's rape if a woman just says the word.

I ain't complaining though. If women want power let them have it. It'll be fun to see when they qualify for the draft.

I was there in the 60's when all this feminist stuff started. It was started by communists, lesbians, and those who practiced witchcraft.

All of them at once or did you just need 1 to qualify?

 

[roger_dodger]

Dark Horse Rising,

A few questions:

Are you male or female?

What is your age?

Are you currently attending college or university?

 

[chaz345]

In reading this thread I'm seeing a little bit of difference in how feminism is being defined that should probably be cleared up.

Feminism as relates to women having equal rights, most especially voting rights, started in the early teens and largely won what they were looking for a LONG time ago.

"Woman Power" feminism, that sought equality, more on a socioeconomic level is what started in the 60's. And that movement largely accomplished it's purpose at least a couple of decades ago too. What we have today is largely a group left over from them that's desperate to cling to power and influence so they keep making stuff up, or keep perpetuating tired old myths about inequality so they still have something to fight for.

Today's feminist who stands up to say that they fight for equality for women is sort of like someone standing up saying they are fighting to make sure every home in America has electricity. While there are a tiny number of exceptions, the goal has already been accomplished.

 

[roger_dodger]

Darkhorse, Every word you speak is pure feminist rhetoric. You have been indoctrinated by your liberal education.

In previous threads you have stated you have never had a girlfriend. Please get back to me about how much you believe in feminism after you have suffered a few "breakups"

I've got news for you, feminism was never about "equal rights" for women. It was about busting up the family unit in order to increase dependence on the government.

I was there in the 60's when all this feminist stuff started. It was started by communists, lesbians, and those who practiced witchcraft.

Well said and quite correct. People like Darkhorse simply don't have the long-term memory that you and I have of an earlier time before feminism and cannot see for themselves the effects over time the ideology has had on society. All they know is what they've been told by their cultural marxist college professors.

 

[roger_dodger]

Feminism has nothing to do with any mythical "equality". Equality simply does not exist. What feminism is, quite simply, is the attempt (so far successfully) to break down society and the traditional Christian/Western culture.

Look at this story:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/20/usa-whitehouse-titleix-idINL1E8HKJNC20120620

The US government is trying to increase the number of women in math and science so we can have "equality". Note that, in the last paragraph, the article states that women (thanks to feminist-leftist discrimination against men) are 57% of new students in colleges and universities. What a minute! That doesn't seem "equal" does it? Is the federal government trying to reduce the number of women overall so we can have an equal 50-50 proportion of men to women? No! The phony "equality" only helps women and only discriminates against men. So much for equality!.

Read this one:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doj-l...s-discriminates-against-women/article/2501267

Having physical requirements for new police officers is both reasonable and necessary. However, since women on average are smaller and weaker than men, the physical requirements must be either dropped or lowered until enough women can meet them. That is not equality. This is not a situation in which there is a standard and whomever meets the standard gets the job, Instead, the govt will force the police dept to hire women regardless of any requirements so that women can be hired. Is that really what this "equality" thing is about.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think you have to define "feminism." Equal rights, equal pay, equal opportunities, protection from domestic abuse, the right to dissolve unhealthy marriages, etc.--awesome. I mean, Christians function differently from the rest of the world, obviously, so Christian women may not avail themselves of all the opportunities presented to them (or they might), but, hey--good stuff.

But I think most forms of feminism ignore something that the Bible teaches us about the sexes: equal, but different. Not "opposites" so much as male+female complement one another. I think you see that in long term marriages and often even in day-to-day social interaction. It isn't that "men are from mars, women are from venus," so much as it is that, ideally, men and women each bring different but equally useful viewpoints, skills, and experiences to the table.

I like that feminism has made it possible for more women to pursue jobs. Don't forget, though, that because of the economy and social factors, more women *have* to work. I'm a man, so I don't know how your average woman--Christian or not--feels about that. I'm just pointing some things out.

At its worst (again, "feminism" is a really broad term), feminism plays right into what Pope John Paul II calls "the culture of death." Non-Christian religious practices (Gloria Steinem is now in a coven, for instance), sexual experimentation, non-monogamous relationships, divorce, abortion, ignoring very real gender differences for the sake of "equality," etc.

Then again, men and women aren't all the same within their own gender. I'm a man, and an ex-homosexual. Am I a "man's man" ? No. I'm more collaborative, more tender hearted, more introverted than your typical man. Am I regarded as a man? Yes. Do I regard myself as a man? Absolutely. Do women also have varying degrees of "girly girl" streaks in them? Yes. I think women get more leeway. Its one thing to talk about a "real man." That still carries a lot of weight. But women? Less intense pressure in many respects, or so it seems to me. Women are pressured to be beautiful more than men, but in terms of occupation, education, mannerisms, behavior...I think the rules are more relaxed.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I was alive in the 60's and 70's. What you read now is revisionist history. Do you really think it was about some nice intelligent girls who wanted equal pay?

Another tactic. I wasn't aware that disagreement equals revisionist history. I do however know a few professors who were feminists during the 60s that have explained pros and cons and given some criticism to modern feminism and it's image today. I tend to think you are using selective memory.

I can assure you it was a bunch of nasty man haters all tied up in "new age" theology who rejected everything to do with family values and Christianity.

Well I have met a few that don't fit your stereotype.

Here is just one result.

When I was a kid if a girl or woman was unmarried and pregnant it was a terribly shameful thing. Now more than half of all babies are born to unwed mothers.

Is that progress?

I can't say your cherry picked example is profess consideing this specific example ignores modern women's rights to equal pay, vote, and right to contracts. As I've pointed out in other threads I'm not as cynical as some of you lot.

 

[joethemechanic]

Here is another result of feminism

But then again most of you are too young to remember when an intact two parent family was the norm.

 

[joethemechanic]

The National Center for Health Statistics reports that from 1975 to 1988 in the U.S., in families with children present, wives file for divorce in approximately two-thirds of cases. In 1975, 71.4% of the cases were filed by women, and in 1988, 65% were filed by women.

How Un-Christian is that?

But then again what do you expect from a movement who's leaders are admitted pagans

 

[AirDancer]

Joe's chart illustrates what was happening in a lot of States at the time, in particular, beginning in the early 1970's: more and more States were adding in "no fault" as a cause for divorce. This had a drastic effect on rising divorce rates.

Women who were victims of domestic abuse were able to leave very harmful situations. And they did so in large numbers. No longer did they have to remain in marriages that put their lives - and the lives of their children - at risk.

Likewise, with the 'No Fault' claim, large numbers of men were walking away from their marriages. No longer did they have to take responsibility for their wives and families.

There are any number of reasons why people choose to end their marriages. But as the stiff requirements for filing were eased, it became far too easy for people to walk away from marriages.

In order to have proper perspective, one must look at all factors. To blame the rise of divorces in the past 50 years on one single cause, is erroneous.

Just my 2-cents' worth.....