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Sorry I never answered before this as I just saw your reply today.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the premillinialists have as the basis for the "1000 year reign." Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spirit world, not the physical, and God assured their victory.

John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)

hello for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

There are nuggets in scripture that speak of a time when Satan is does not have the ability to deceive anyone, this is that kingdom in which Christ will rule from David's throne. The land that God promised Abraham through his earthly people after him has never completely ruled by them. Even Solomon never ruled over the area from Hor to Hazarenan ( Numbers 34:7-9). There is going to be the establishment of the earthly kingdom after the "Church" is removed. Even creation groans and travails waiting for the adoption and redemption of our body.

Isaiah 11:11, " And it shall come to pass in that day(what day?), that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Ha'math, and from the islands of sea." Is this going to happen in that one last day?

What about Daniel 2:44, " And in those days of these kings shall God of heaven set up A kingdom, which shall never be destroyed and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." There is only one kingdom that is eternal(everlasting) and we find it is ushered in after the 1000 year kingdom and " the rest of the dead" (Revelation 20:11-15) with the coming of the heavenly Jerusalem.
 
hello for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

There are nuggets in scripture that speak of a time when Satan is does not have the ability to deceive anyone, this is that kingdom in which Christ will rule from David's throne. The land that God promised Abraham through his earthly people after him has never completely ruled by them. Even Solomon never ruled over the area from Hor to Hazarenan ( Numbers 34:7-9). There is going to be the establishment of the earthly kingdom after the "Church" is removed. Even creation groans and travails waiting for the adoption and redemption of our body.

Isaiah 11:11, " And it shall come to pass in that day(what day?), that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Ha'math, and from the islands of sea." Is this going to happen in that one last day?

What about Daniel 2:44, " And in those days of these kings shall God of heaven set up A kingdom, which shall never be destroyed and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." There is only one kingdom that is eternal(everlasting) and we find it is ushered in after the 1000 year kingdom and " the rest of the dead" (Revelation 20:11-15) with the coming of the heavenly Jerusalem.

There is only one kingdom of God, which is found only in the believer who will have their place in the New Jerusalem when it is ushered down from the 3rd heaven after this present 1st heaven and earth passes away and all things made new again, Rev 21:1-8. This all takes place after Satan is cast into the lake of fire and final judgment is made at what is called the great white throne judgment, Rev 20.
 
There is only one kingdom of God, which is found only in the believer who will have their place in the New Jerusalem when it is ushered down from the 3rd heaven after this present 1st heaven and earth passes away and all things made new again, Rev 21:1-8. This all takes place after Satan is cast into the lake of fire and final judgment is made at what is called the great white throne judgment, Rev 20.

for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

I disagree and we will have to continue to disagree About God's kingdoms. Have a blessed day
dirtfarmer
 
God has already given what is written that we prepare ourselves to know what is coming, but yet many reject His truth. If there were a pretrib rapture of the church then why would God just end all things at once after we are taken up. What would be the purpose of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgements. Below is what we need to expect to happen during the first six trumpets sounding that leads up to the son of perdition who takes his seat to deceive the world promising safety and provision as there will appear amazing signs and wonders that could deceive even the very elect of God if possible, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Matthew 24:24.

Rev Chapter 8-9 First six trumpets

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky as the brimstone God brought down from heaven striking those in Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19:24. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. I would only imagine the drifting smoke itself would cause respiratory problems for many people.

Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our well being will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed.

John saw in his vision a great star that is burning like a lamp that falls to earth. In John’s time torches were used as a light source so this star burning like a lamp or a torch could be that of a burning comet falling or a series of comets falling on earth. I can only think it to be many comets as they fall on the third part of rivers and streams as it poisons the third part of the earth’s fresh water supply and causes many to die from the bitter water they drink. This would also kill all fresh water fish leaving man without another food source.

This star is given a name called Wormwood because wormwood is a plant that can be potentially toxic in its pure form and has a bitter aroma to it. In large amounts, it can cause damage to the nervous system, resulting in convulsions, loss of muscle control, and sometimes death. Now we have a third part of the world without fresh water to drink.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much.

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
It is very simple: Daniel tells us that the 70th week is for HIS PEOPLE: the descendants of Jacob. It is not for the church - so Paul shows us that his rapture will take place before the Day of the Lord begins. Those who live in Christ and stay close to Him will never see the trumpet judgments.
 
It is very simple: Daniel tells us that the 70th week is for HIS PEOPLE: the descendants of Jacob. It is not for the church - so Paul shows us that his rapture will take place before the Day of the Lord begins. Those who live in Christ and stay close to Him will never see the trumpet judgments.

Can you please give scripture for this, Thank you.
 
hello for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

I know that I am not lecoop, but the scripture you asked for is Daniel 9:24-27

Thank you for that as I appreciate it, but I need lecoop to answer that for what he posted so I will know where he is coming from for what he says.
 
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