Football players kneeling during anthem

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  1. godsquadgeek

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    Well I will continue to call you out on it. Until you rationally refute it. It's what debate does. So so far you have provided no racists, but i have provided one. Context or not, it does not matter. the fact that a black artist is putting a noose on a white persons head is discrimination. And if it were the other way around, a white artist putting a noose on a black person, it would not matter the context either, so you can make whatever rule you wish but please apply it to both sides. ................................................................................................................ So are we done here?
     
  2. Mozart's Starling

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    Free speech should always be supported. If you support a Nazi's right to speak their mind you should also support a football player's right to protest. I see no issue here. Part of what makes America fantastic is the ability to freely criticize the government. I love how the defenders of white nationalists right to protest scream free speech but if a football player speaks his mind he is a traitor. Honestly some of you here are a bit ridiculous.
     
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    If you don't know the context then how can you determine if it's a racist piece of art? You are asking why it's not considered racist, so I asked you what the display was in context to see if it was a commentary about the 200+ years of slavery and oppression black people faced in the US. You demand context and sources from me but won't produce them yourself. Just a thought.
     
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    YUP and my right to say i dont like it and wont watch..nor buy the products... the club owners also have their right to speak their minds even to the point of saying your fired.
     
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    Never said you couldn't do that. I am just pointing out how hypocritical people are. All for free speech and american ideals until it makes them uncomfortable. Pretty sickening really. That said free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of speech. So do what you want. I just don't get the big deal really. People always say "people died for america"!!! Missing the point that free speech is about as american as it gets.
     
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    While I agree but thus could shUT down many a christian owned business.chick fil a is unusual in that I'm surprised.
     
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    do you not see how you agree with this conservative :) All i said is what you say in this post.
     
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    I believe in the principles of capitalism .... there for i would not open a pork shop in Dearborn
     
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    Fair enough. What ruffles my feathers is the idea that he somehow betrayed america. He exercised his rights, in a notable, but non violent or vulgar way. Fact is the NFL has bigger issues what with drug use, spouse abuse, and horrible behavior. But yeah let's all gang on this guy. Frankly I find it stupid lol.
     
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    if it were reversed and a black boy had a noose put around his neck by a white artist, there is no context where that would be okay. So if there are rules for one side, you must apply the same rule to all sides. Unless you think that black kids are better than white kids then you would not apply the same rules to both sides, but that would be discrimination and racism on your part. Right? What if I said...hey what is the context of the white students putting a noose on the black kids neck at this high school: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/...-put-around-his-neck-naacp-official-says.html

    i mean maybe the context was a joke, all fun and games. But not all parties thought so. And thus it is the same when a black artist knowingly puts a noose on a white mans neck to make a point of reverse racism. Optimally no nooses should be put on anyone's neck as we all know the symbology of a noose and what it represents....oppression and racism. All the above discriminated and thus had racist tendencies.
     
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    Yes but a culture can turn on values and people could simply refuse to buy and associate nor sell to a person because of race, sex ,age ,creed and religion and nationality.that's the actual words uses in the civil rights act of 1964.

    Imagine living in a wealthy community of Only whites because they refuse to associate with others.this is what I know of personally.it's still odd for me to see Hispanics owning property worth over a million here ,or blacks.legslly.he they can't but I get the history of why these didn't have money buts it changing.my point is its also possible in the south that people ,and it's often done with other permits to build ,to hide behind closed doors and deny permits to certain groups based on the list. I can go into how often local government will listen to those who are friends with the mayor,council members .if people attended these zoning meetings this woukdnt happen as much
     
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    And do you know why people call that rascist GSG? Because black people were enslaved and lynched by mostly white people for over 200 years. It's kinda why Mel Brooks could make a movie called The Producers saterizing the Nazis when he is a Jew. There is a ton of context that makes it meaningful. Art, unlike an argument, is about emotion and invoking discussion and sometimes awareness. Context is everything in art.


    What rules? You posted a piece of art without context and you don't want to discuss what the context is. It's not illegal to make rascist art thanks to the first amendment, but that doesn't mean there won't be social backlash.
     
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    Yup and we sure can a christian baker does not have the right of refusal .. because the government stepped in... there for the same government should force the population of Dearborn to shop at the pork shop. I have no doubt the trash that goes on behind closed doors.. Which should not
     
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    so you have no reply to my logic, as I suspected. so we are done here.
     
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    Were the blacks sold to the slavers by other blacks, other tribes?
     
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    I hate the double standards.

    Of note an old ,very old artifact of history has been washed up.
     
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    What logic? You won't answer questions for clarification and won't even back up claims you made. Edited out.
     
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    Does that eras what happened here in the US Reba? If I sell a man a hammer does that equity the man from Murder if he uses it to beat his wife?
     
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    Not at all but it shares the blame
     
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