For of such is the kingdom of God

[GodsGrace]

The same way we Christians "go to Heaven"... That is, through the forgiveness of our sin through Christ's atonement work:

Luke 23:34a (NASB) But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.”
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It is no coincidence nor trivial matter that Jesus Christ suffered through the pain of speaking those words while on the cross. They mean something theologically. Yes, His immediate intent was likely for the soldiers carrying out crucifixion orders. But the principle of God's forgiveness to those who "do not know what they are doing" applies to infant deaths too, IMO.


Death (of Adam, you, me, infants, all man) came through Adam.

Romans 5:12-14 (NASB) Therefore [God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us], just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. ​

Whether what's termed 'original sin' is imputed to infants when there is no law imputed to them, is debatable. But death certainly is.

Life eternal (on the other hand) comes through Christ for all whom He loved enough to die for. And evidently, 'Jesus loves the little children of the world, red and yellow, black and white. They are precious in His sight.' Baptized or not!

Just a few comments:

1. I know a couple of Christians that believe that since Jesus said Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do... ALL men are forgiven because NO ONE knows what they are doing. We went on for many pages with this. Many offered their opinion as to who did know what they were doing - but he wouldn't accept any example.
As far as this person is concerned, everyone is saved because no one knows what they're doing.

2. Romans 5:12-14 is the reason I stated that God cannot be in the presence of sin. Because of Adam, all men are now born with original sin, or the sin nature. Only our trust in Jesus and our following Him can save us from the perfection of God. A child cannot be responsible for his sin nature, but God still cannot be in the presence of it.
So, does Jesus save the children? Personally, I believe He does. This is not a problem for me. I believe God is a just God.

P.S.
Regarding this statement of yours:
Whether what's termed 'original sin' is imputed to infants when there is no law imputed to them, is debatable. But death certainly is.

We do speak about the age of accountability.
We say that God cannot punish someone for what they do not know.

 

[chessman]

2. Romans 5:12-14 is the reason I stated that God cannot be in the presence of sin. Because of Adam, all men are now born with original sin, or the sin nature.

Paul didn't say that because of Adam all men are now born with the "sin nature" or "original sin" in this passage. Nor pre-born with a sin nature.

He said "death spread to all men". Moses could have drown (and thus died) in the river basket as an infant. That's not the same thing as saying little baby Moses was floating down the river while possessing a 'sin nature' in him. Some denominations inferr baby Moses (and every other baby except Jesus) was born with a "sin nature" or "original sin". Maybe, maybe not. Some even invent an immaculate conception of Mary because of their inference of a sin nature spreading to all infants (I suppose even pre-born babies). This passage doesn't say that a sin nature spread to all, is my point. But death spreading to all, sure.

As far as this person is concerned, everyone is saved because no one knows what they're doing.

I wonder if this person knows what he/she is doing by making such a claim

The logical conclusion to his/her statement means that even he/she doesn't know that 'no one knows what they're doing' (or not).

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul didn't say that because of Adam all men are now born with the "sin nature" or "original sin" in this passage. Nor pre-born with a sin nature.

He said "death spread to all men". Moses could have drown (and thus died) in the river basket as an infant. That's not the same thing as saying little baby Moses was floating down the river while possessing a 'sin nature' in him. Some denominations inferr baby Moses (and every other baby except Jesus) was born with a "sin nature" or "original sin". Maybe, maybe not. Some even invent an immaculate conception of Mary because of their inference of a sin nature spreading to all infants (I suppose even pre-born babies). This passage doesn't say that a sin nature spread to all, is my point. But death spreading to all, sure.

Well, what does death spread to all men mean? Death is physical death and death is spiritual death.
Adam and Eve were created with preternatural gifts. They had physical immortality and they also were one with God, had the spirit of God and spoke to Him.

God told them not to eat of the forbidden tree or they would certainly die. Genesis 2:17
The snake told Eve to eat because she would surely not die. Genesis 3:4

Who told the truth? Did Adam and Eve die when they ate the fruit? No. But they died spiritually, and after a time they also died physically.

Adam broke the Edenic Covenant so the curses of that Covenant passed to him and all men. Genesis 3:16-19

Men are not born innocent. They are born guilty. They are born under the slavery of sin. They are born with what we might call original sin or the sin nature.
Romans 8:2
Romans 2:7
Romans 6.23
Romans 5:12-21



I wonder if this person knows what he/she is doing by making such a claim

The logical conclusion to his/her statement means that even he/she doesn't know that 'no one knows what they're doing' (or not).

The logical conclusion is that EVERYONE is saved. Universalism. The idea is that God is a good God and He has to forgive everyone because no one knows what they're doing. It's the exact opposit of Calvinism.

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