For those who believe that Babylon is America…

[guysmith]

Revelation 18:4 states that believer should come away from Babylon to avoid being affected by her demise.

1. If you believe that Babylon is America are you planning to leave?
2. If so, where is a good place to go?
3. When is a good time to leave?

 

[jasoncran]

Babylon is ancient Jerusalem. not the catholic church or any other thing. America would have to kill the apostles and the prophets. the rcc has killed the saints but not the apostles nor the prophets

 

[Joe Domingo]

Babylon is more than America. Babylon is composed of many tongues. Its the very nature and application of the word as it pertains to the land and people that were called after it. Hence, the spot were God confused mankind with multiple tongues is called Babylon in the Bible. Today, that geographical location is no more. But there is a place I have found where all these tongues exist. It's called, our present system. Nimrod ran a unified system until the day of confusion. Today, World Governments are striving for a unified system.

 

[turnorburn]

Babylon had their temple of Ishtar she has taken up residence in the various kingdoms of the world and has gone by many names.. care to guess what her name is now.. Rome had a name for her when Jesus walked the earth..

The Goddess Ishtar

"The Lightbringer".

Babylonian High-Mother-Goddess.

Like Inanna, she is the goddess of fertility, love and war. Her cult was the most important one in ancient Babylon and Ishtar became under various names the most important Goddess of the Near-East and Western Asia.

http://inanna.virtualave.net/ishtar.html

tob

 

[smaller]

I'm going to cite the simplest most obvious statements of fact about Mystery Babylon.

It should be abundantly clear to any reader 'where' the location is:

Revelation 17:
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

18:
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

If it is not obvious that the 'location' of her is IN PEOPLE, please read again.

If readers want to be more specific, keep in mind that 'all have sin' and 'sin is of the devil.' Kinda hits closer to home.

Gods people, in order to be called 'out of her' must first recognize that they are in fact 'in her' to begin with.

No sense beating around the bush!

enjoy!

smaller

 

[King James]

Revelation 18:4 states that believer should come away from Babylon to avoid being affected by her demise.

1. If you believe that Babylon is America are you planning to leave?
2. If so, where is a good place to go?
3. When is a good time to leave?

It seems most didn't read your post. Instead they are just trying to disprove or prove that America is Babylon. The only posts you wanted were ones that do believe that America is Babylon and what would they do regarding your 3 questions. Here it is for me:

1. If you believe that Babylon is America are you planning to leave? No. I plan to die without fight or flight.
2. If so, where is a good place to go? N/A for me given my answer to the first question. To be honest, none of the world will be that great by that time.
3. When is a good time to leave? In my opinion, a good time would be after Syria is overthrown, the Muslim Brotherhood, or C.I.A. for short, replaces their government.

 

[guysmith]

Hello KJ,

Thanks for reading the post.

1. Do you think, after instructing believers to "come out of her," that God does not have a place-of-refuge in mind? (Kind of like when Israel left Egypt. Didn't God have a place in mind before starting the whole process of having His people released from bondage?)
2. Would your position be different if you were aware of this (provided by God) "place-of-refuge"?

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

 

[Elijah674]

I'm going to cite the simplest most obvious statements of fact about Mystery Babylon.

It should be abundantly clear to any reader 'where' the location is:

Revelation 17:
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

18:
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

If it is not obvious that the 'location' of her is IN PEOPLE, please read again.

If readers want to be more specific, keep in mind that 'all have sin' and 'sin is of the devil.' Kinda hits closer to home.

Gods people, in order to be called 'out of her' must first recognize that they are in fact 'in her' to begin with.

No sense beating around the bush!

enjoy!

smaller

Pretty good?
But there is more! Come out into where? The Rev. 12:17 is the last REMNANT on Earth. It is called the last from the Laodiceans into the sixth of Philadelphia! See ibid verse 10. The Laodicean is having her terrible shaking as we speak... and is going the way of Rome.

--Elijah

Rev. 12:17 has it said...
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, (First) which keep the commandments of God, and have (Second) the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[King James]

Hello KJ,

Thanks for reading the post.

1. Do you think, after instructing believers to "come out of her," that God does not have a place-of-refuge in mind? (Kind of like when Israel left Egypt. Didn't God have a place in mind before starting the whole process of having His people released from bondage?)
2. Would your position be different if you were aware of this (provided by God) "place-of-refuge"?

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

1. Do you think, after instructing believers to "come out of her," that God does not have a place-of-refuge in mind? (Kind of like when Israel left Egypt. Didn't God have a place in mind before starting the whole process of having His people released from bondage?)

Honestly, I never had thought about it that way. There could be something like that. In that case it would not be made known to us until the time was very close to go there and it will be on faith to go there as I'm sure many will doubt the truth.

2. Would your position be different if you were aware of this (provided by God) "place-of-refuge"?

Yes this would change my position given this scenario presented itself if I knew for sure that it was from God, not an easy voluntary death camp round-up, and if my wife was onboard.

 

[guysmith]

1. Do you think, after instructing believers to "come out of her," that God does not have a place-of-refuge in mind? (Kind of like when Israel left Egypt. Didn't God have a place in mind before starting the whole process of having His people released from bondage?)

Honestly, I never had thought about it that way. There could be something like that. In that case it would not be made known to us until the time was very close to go there and it will be on faith to go there as I'm sure many will doubt the truth.

KJ,

If God felt that the promised land was the place of choice for Israel out of bondage, is it not possible that the promised land (specifically Jerusalem) is still the place of choice for a pocket of believers during the GT? BTW I hope your initial response is doubt.

Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the Lord has said, even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

2. Would your position be different if you were aware of this (provided by God) "place-of-refuge"?

Yes this would change my position given this scenario presented itself if I knew for sure that it was from God, not an easy voluntary death camp round-up, and if my wife was onboard.

Isaiah 4: 1 In that day seven women
will take hold of one man
and say, “We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!”
The Branch of the Lord

2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel. 3 Those who are left in Zion, who remain in Jerusalem, will be called holy, all who are recorded among the living in Jerusalem. 4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire. 5 Then the Lord will create over all of Mount Zion and over those who assemble there a cloud of smoke by day and a glow of flaming fire by night; over everything the glory will be a canopy. 6 It will be a shelter and shade from the heat of the day, and a refuge and hiding place from the storm and rain.

Now is not the allotted time to go. The time to be in the Jerusalem is just prior to the AC's desecration of the yet-to-be-built temple. Have you ever wondered why God has provided, in the prophetic scriptures, this elaborate seven year time table.

You must have allot of questions.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

 

[smaller]

Pretty good?
But there is more! Come out into where?

The 'locale' is the same place the man from the Gadarene's came into.

It is a spiritual location:

Mark 5:15
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Luke 8:35
Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

The notion that upon 'coming out' of Mystery Babylon entails going to a location or belonging to a certain sect is utter nonsense. Mystery Babylon wasn't a location or a group to begin with so to 'come out' isn't associated with either.

Sometimes one has to be in their 'right mind' to be able to think these things through. Those who can not are and remain 'in Mystery Babylon' because they can not and will not be able to see or perceive these matters.

The Rev. 12:17 is the last REMNANT on Earth. It is called the last from the Laodiceans into the sixth of Philadelphia! See ibid verse 10. The Laodicean is having her terrible shaking as we speak... and is going the way of Rome.

--Elijah

I would agree that the entirety of the churches are in obvious denial of their location(s.)

But the path out is not very pretty and the pride of Leviathan is hard to pry away from. His scales are tight together and very strong. And very real I might add. Far more real than any Laodicean can see or perceive personally, for themselves.

Even as you read this you may ponder what is said, yet not see or understand.

Laodicea was provided a way out, just as every one of the 7 were. And every one of the seven apply to every one of us! Those who 'listen' know that.

Rev. 3:
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

If a believer does not perceive they are naked and blind, they are in fact naked and blind.

And the Lord has not given them accurate sight, and won't.

s

 

[King James]

1. Do you think, after instructing believers to "come out of her," that God does not have a place-of-refuge in mind? (Kind of like when Israel left Egypt. Didn't God have a place in mind before starting the whole process of having His people released from bondage?)

Honestly, I never had thought about it that way. There could be something like that. In that case it would not be made known to us until the time was very close to go there and it will be on faith to go there as I'm sure many will doubt the truth.

KJ,

If God felt that the promised land was the place of choice for Israel out of bondage, is it not possible that the promised land (specifically Jerusalem) is still the place of choice for a pocket of believers during the GT? BTW I hope your initial response is doubt.

Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the Lord has said, even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

2. Would your position be different if you were aware of this (provided by God) "place-of-refuge"?

Yes this would change my position given this scenario presented itself if I knew for sure that it was from God, not an easy voluntary death camp round-up, and if my wife was onboard.

Isaiah 4: 1 In that day seven women
will take hold of one man
and say, “We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!”
The Branch of the Lord

2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel. 3 Those who are left in Zion, who remain in Jerusalem, will be called holy, all who are recorded among the living in Jerusalem. 4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire. 5 Then the Lord will create over all of Mount Zion and over those who assemble there a cloud of smoke by day and a glow of flaming fire by night; over everything the glory will be a canopy. 6 It will be a shelter and shade from the heat of the day, and a refuge and hiding place from the storm and rain.

Now is not the allotted time to go. The time to be in the Jerusalem is just prior to the AC's desecration of the yet-to-be-built temple. Have you ever wondered why God has provided, in the prophetic scriptures, this elaborate seven year time table.

You must have allot of questions.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

I have no questions and no need advice. You just asked questions of people opinions and I responded. I see no point of your last post as the one in quote on this post at least as it pertains to me. Israel? To hard to get to. No job or citizenship. I'll just die like the church in Revelation 2:8. They do alright as seen in Revelation 20:4. Never need to over reach or over complicate matters. Don't worry, be happy.