Forgiveness

[Johan]

Jesus ask of us to forgive. . . .always.


Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


Even our forgiveness from God relies on ours.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


And Jesus died.


And God forgive us now in a special way.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


It is now not the result anymore of our actions. It is not about how good we are anymore.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



It is about what we believe the sacrifice is worth. It is worth so much in God’s opinion that we are not imputed sin anymore.


Or . . .this case is settled.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


It just depends how much worth you see in the sacrifice. Obviously if you have to add to it with your actions etc. then it is not worth so much and because of your imperfect actions your relationship will not be what it could have been.

And now what about our forgiveness.


It should be just the same. We do not impute sin anymore. No matter how many times people sin it is paid in Worthy blood . . .and we forgive.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


And Jesus . . . our Life . . .manifests. His Life He lives from out of our bodies . . .and we?


We are dead.


Love Johan

 

[Eugene]

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Good Post Brother Johan.

 

[Bick]

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Good Post Brother Johan.

Jesus ask of us to forgive. . . .always.


Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


Even our forgiveness from God relies on ours.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


And Jesus died.


And God forgive us now in a special way.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


It is now not the result anymore of our actions. It is not about how good we are anymore.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



It is about what we believe the sacrifice is worth. It is worth so much in God’s opinion that we are not imputed sin anymore.


Or . . .this case is settled.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


It just depends how much worth you see in the sacrifice. Obviously if you have to add to it with your actions etc. then it is not worth so much and because of your imperfect actions your relationship will not be what it could have been.

And now what about our forgiveness.


It should be just the same. We do not impute sin anymore. No matter how many times people sin it is paid in Worthy blood . . .and we forgive.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


And Jesus . . . our Life . . .manifests. His Life He lives from out of our bodies . . .and we?


We are dead.


Love Johan

 

[Bick]

Bick here. Indeed, we are to reckon ourselves to be alive unto God and His grace, yet dead unto sin
(Rom. 6:11-12).
Concerning Jesus words to forgive "seventy times seven", sort of a metaphor for "innumerable", I understand that after mankind are judged for their deeds before the great white throne, and are cast into the lahe of fire for the ages, that God will forgive them.

 

[GodsGrace]

Bick here. Indeed, we are to reckon ourselves to be alive unto God and His grace, yet dead unto sin
(Rom. 6:11-12).
Concerning Jesus words to forgive "seventy times seven", sort of a metaphor for "innumerable", I understand that after mankind are judged for their deeds before the great white throne, and are cast into the lahe of fire for the ages, that God will forgive them.

I have also heard this.
Have you read scripture that could explain this?
Or are you just repeating hearsay?

I haven't found anything in scripture to support this...

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus ask of us to forgive. . . .always.


Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


Even our forgiveness from God relies on ours.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


And Jesus died.


And God forgive us now in a special way.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


It is now not the result anymore of our actions. It is not about how good we are anymore.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



It is about what we believe the sacrifice is worth. It is worth so much in God’s opinion that we are not imputed sin anymore.


Or . . .this case is settled.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


It just depends how much worth you see in the sacrifice. Obviously if you have to add to it with your actions etc. then it is not worth so much and because of your imperfect actions your relationship will not be what it could have been.

And now what about our forgiveness.


It should be just the same. We do not impute sin anymore. No matter how many times people sin it is paid in Worthy blood . . .and we forgive.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


And Jesus . . . our Life . . .manifests. His Life He lives from out of our bodies . . .and we?


We are dead.


Love Johan

Johan,

I like what you said above, which I highlighted in red.
It's difficult for me to understand why our forgiving sins allows God to forgive us.

Please add any insight.

 

[Eugene]

Even our forgiveness from God relies on ours.

Good morning Brother Johan. I'm just addressing this one comment you made, to ensure we're on the same page concerning our fellowship with God. I'll just paste an excerpt from a study I have, which I think clears up any thought that our very salvation may depend upon anything less than the blood of Jesus.

Matthew - Biography of the King
by A.S Copley

"If you forgive men their trespasses your heavenly Father will also forgive you," which emphasizes the tender gracious spirit which is the very essence of the Christ Himself. The Lord is certainly not teaching here that sins are only remitted from time to time in answer to prayer; tho' some would so argue who are ignorant of their security and settled acceptance in Christ, which the Gospel of grace proclaims. But when we realize that it is the Father's forgiveness, of which Christ is speaking, the interpretation is plain.

When it is a question of God and His creatures then it is the blood alone which atones for all sin and all those are forever shielded from wrath, who are sheltered by its power; but thus they are brought under the government of their Father. They are in His family and He takes notice of the children's conduct, because they are such, and He loves them. A cutting off of His fellowship and a chastening for restoration are the consequences of the children's trespasses of which they do not repent, as is plainly evident when one does not forgive his brother. For a hard unforgiving spirit is not in harmony with God, whose nature is love, and therefore cannot enjoy communion with Him."

NOTE: The Grace and Glory Study books are in PDF format and can be read with the free Adobe Reader.

http://www.gracegod.com/Study Books/Matthew - Biography of the King.pdf

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[Johan]

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Good Post Brother Johan.

This now is a post of revelation. You are blessed for seeing this brother. Revealed to you by God himself.

1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This way . . .of revelation by God . . . is also His way in creating in us. Creating the very Life of Himself for us to be and to Live. No greater glory exists to have His Life and to Live it. That is whom Jesus is . . .God's Word to us. To create God's Life in us . . .and only this way can we be really God's children. By having and living His Life . . that of Jesus.

Love Johan

 

[Johan]

Johan,

I like what you said above, which I highlighted in red.
It's difficult for me to understand why our forgiving sins allows God to forgive us.

Please add any insight.

If we do not forgive . . .we reject the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus died for the world. That include also our enemies. For Him it included those that killed Him . . and for us . . .those that do whatever to us. This is the power of the sacrifice. We should not diminish it to what we want it to be.

Love Johan

 

[Johan]

Good morning Brother Johan. I'm just addressing this one comment you made, to ensure we're on the same page concerning our fellowship with God. I'll just paste an excerpt from a study I have, which I think clears up any thought that our very salvation may depend upon anything less than the blood of Jesus.

Matthew - Biography of the King
by A.S Copley

"If you forgive men their trespasses your heavenly Father will also forgive you," which emphasizes the tender gracious spirit which is the very essence of the Christ Himself. The Lord is certainly not teaching here that sins are only remitted from time to time in answer to prayer; tho' some would so argue who are ignorant of their security and settled acceptance in Christ, which the Gospel of grace proclaims. But when we realize that it is the Father's forgiveness, of which Christ is speaking, the interpretation is plain.

When it is a question of God and His creatures then it is the blood alone which atones for all sin and all those are forever shielded from wrath, who are sheltered by its power; but thus they are brought under the government of their Father. They are in His family and He takes notice of the children's conduct, because they are such, and He loves them. A cutting off of His fellowship and a chastening for restoration are the consequences of the children's trespasses of which they do not repent, as is plainly evident when one does not forgive his brother. For a hard unforgiving spirit is not in harmony with God, whose nature is love, and therefore cannot enjoy communion with Him."

NOTE: The Grace and Glory Study books are in PDF format and can be read with the free Adobe Reader.

http://www.gracegod.com/Study Books/Matthew - Biography of the King.pdf

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

Yep . . brother . . .I agree. It is also said by Jesus when He made the new Laws. First Love of God and the second Love your brother with the same Love.

First of all we are cleansed by God . . .and then as result we clean our brothers. They go hand in hand. But it is impossible to have found the grace of God and not give it also. But I do agree . . . we first find the forgiveness for ourselves. But condemnation sure follows if we do not give it also.

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Love Johans

 

[Nathan]

If we do not forgive . . .we reject the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus died for the world. That include also our enemies. For Him it included those that killed Him . . and for us . . .those that do whatever to us. This is the power of the sacrifice. We should not diminish it to what we want it to be.

Love Johan

Truth.

 

[Johan]

Truth.

Brother . . to see this is a big growth in our godly Life of Jesus. Jesus is God's Life for us . . enabling us to be children of God. As a child of any species needs to be growing up in the life of that particular species. So . . we need to grow up in the Life of God. This is Jesus . . .God's Word given to us to create the Life of God in us. And when we see this Forgiveness of God then we realize it is God's grace given to us. And when we do the same we start to give God's grace also meaning we become also . . as God . ..givers of grace to the undeserving. And God's Grace manifests on earth. And the earth is so in dire need to see God and to experience Him and to start Living in His Life.

Love Johan