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One of the meanings that the Oxford dictionaries (online) give to the meaning of 'forum' is: 'An Internet site where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings' (2016. s v forum). The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives one of the meanings of 'forum' as: 'a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas' (s v forum).

Therefore, I suggest to you that there are way too many directories on CFnet that have this instruction, 'This is not a debate forum'.

However, the very idea of a forum is that there will be discussion or expression of ideas and sometimes that will mean a debate over the issues.

I suggest that you re-evaluate why you are censoring debate in a number of forums on CFnet as a fundamental of a forum is that people will post comments on a topic and those comments may differ from others. Debate should be encouraged in the very format of a forum.

Some ideas from a fellow traveller.

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I agree with you Oz.

I believe that the reason for control is to keep some kind of civility. I checked out a couple of forums before choosing this one and I didn't like them because there was too much "war" going on, name calling, etc. This is not pleasant either.

OTOH, sometimes, having been a former Catholic, I'm very much enticed to speak up about the differences, however, I always hold my tongue and do not express my feelings. There is a new rule now for Apol & Theol that states we are not to speak of other posters. I don't see what harm this could do since that poster is reading along anyway and the statement will not be offensive due to all the other rules that are in effect.

So, I'm not sure where the proper balance is. However, if there's too much control, the debates, or opinions, become repetitive and does not make for a lively discussion.

For instance Bible Study is not for debate. How could this be when different churches teach differently about some verses? I would find it very interesting to hear how others understand a verse, which is ery different from plucking out verses to sustain belief in OSAS or non-OSAS, for instance.

My two cents.

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IF members would choose to be respectful to each other open forums could be great... :sohappy

One of the meanings that the Oxford dictionaries (online) give to the meaning of 'forum' is: 'An Internet site where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings' (2016. s v forum). The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives one of the meanings of 'forum' as: 'a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas' (s v forum).

I do not see the word debate in the above
 
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IF members would choose to be respectful to each other open forums could be great... :sohappy

One of the meanings that the Oxford dictionaries (online) give to the meaning of 'forum' is: 'An Internet site where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings' (2016. s v forum). The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives one of the meanings of 'forum' as: 'a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas' (s v forum).

I do not see the word debate in the above
It seems to me that once we start to openly discuss and freely exchange ideas we get all out of control.
Not me, of course. LOL
Have we all read Lord of the Flies?
Deep down inside we're really children and will get carried away.
The moderators are like our parents - keeping a close watch on us to behave.

It's unfortunate that it has to be this way, but that's human nature. It's sinful.
Of course Jethro Bodine thinks our sin nature is dead - but what does HE know!!!
LOL

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Of course Jethro Bodine thinks our sin nature is dead
You are most welcome to retain your old sin nature. Nobody's trying to take that away from you. :lol
As for me I'm a new creation in Christ for whom the old has passed away:

"17 ...if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Corinthians 5:17 NASB bold mine)

"7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened." (1 Corinthians 5:7 NASB bold mine, italics in original)

"neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB bold and underline mine)

So make sure you don't include me when you say 'we' still have the sin nature. :)
 
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I never troll, loss my temper ,use logical fallacies. This concern of his isn't limited to this forum. I see it elsewhere.
 
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You are most welcome to retain your old sin nature. Nobody's trying to take that away from you. :lol
As for me I'm a new creation in Christ for whom the old has passed away:

"17 ...if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Corinthians 5:17 NASB bold mine)

"7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened." (1 Corinthians 5:7 NASB bold mine, italics in original)

"neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB bold and underline mine)

So make sure you don't include me when you say 'we' still have the sin nature. :)
You're allowed Jethro.
Some churches teach this.
I still don't understand, then, what it is that makes us sin, but this isn't the place.
You say the Flesh. But the flesh and the sin nature is the same thing. That's what I don't understand in your belief. Can you show me how it's separated in the scriptures? I mean the flesh and the sin nature. The verses above don't help me.


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I don't agree with the premise of the OP. Who attends a home Bible study with the intent to debate? Share your interpretation of scripture, yes. Debate me over mine? That's not the kind of home Bible study I've ever been a part of or want to be a part of.

The CT&A restricts debate, because we want a place where believers can seek advice and input without it turning into debate. We need a place like that, don't we?

No debate amongst Christians in the Questions for Christians Forum, because we want a venue for non-Christians to ask us about our faith that doesn't degrade into bickering between believers. That's an awful thing for them to see if they're asking.

If you do want to debate something you see discussed in one of these forums, you're free to start a thread in a forum where debate is permitted. I don't see the problem.
 
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I agree with you Oz.

I believe that the reason for control is to keep some kind of civility. I checked out a couple of forums before choosing this one and I didn't like them because there was too much "war" going on, name calling, etc. This is not pleasant either.

OTOH, sometimes, having been a former Catholic, I'm very much enticed to speak up about the differences, however, I always hold my tongue and do not express my feelings. There is a new rule now for Apol & Theol that states we are not to speak of other posters. I don't see what harm this could do since that poster is reading along anyway and the statement will not be offensive due to all the other rules that are in effect.

So, I'm not sure where the proper balance is. However, if there's too much control, the debates, or opinions, become repetitive and does not make for a lively discussion.

For instance Bible Study is not for debate. How could this be when different churches teach differently about some verses? I would find it very interesting to hear how others understand a verse, which is ery different from plucking out verses to sustain belief in OSAS or non-OSAS, for instance.

My two cents.

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Thanks Wondering for your thoughtful reply. I raised this issue because the very nature of the meaning of 'forum' is to have discussion and that will mean debate. We can debate people with reasonable and responsible language without name calling. I find name calling to be abusive and it should be forbidden on any genuinely Christian forum.

Like you, I'd appreciate the 'Bible study' directory being opened up to debate as well as Christian history. In fact, I can't see why all of the directories here cannot be opened for debate but a tight rein be held on the language of how people debate with one another.

On 24 September, I preached a sermon on James 3:6-8 (ESV) that I titled, 'Tongue lashing wreckages'. I'm an expository preacher and am working my way through the Book of James. I consider that uncontrolled language on a Christian forum falls into the category that James addressed in 3:6-8. One of my points for v. 8 was, 'The tongue’s ability to spew forth uncontrollable evil like deadly poison'.

I would love to see this forum open up to more open debate on all the directories, with the proviso that all debate is carefully monitored for language used.

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I don't agree with the premise of the OP.
Who attends a home Bible study with the intent to debate? Share your interpretation of scripture, yes. Debate me over mine? That's not the kind of home Bible study I've ever been a part of or want to be a part of.
The CT&A restricts debate, because we want a place where believers can seek advice and input without it turning into debate. We need a place like that, don't we?

No debate amongst Christians in the Questions for Christians Forum, because we want a venue for non-Christians to ask us about our faith that doesn't degrade into bickering between believers. That's an awful thing for them to see if they're asking.

If you do want to debate something you see discussed in one of these forums, you're free to start a thread in a forum where debate is permitted. I don't see the problem.
You're being defensive for CFnet's present position, Mike.

At the beginning of the OP, I quoted 2 eminent dictionaries to support my contention that the fundamental meaning of 'forum' includes 'open discussion and expression' (Merriam-Webster Dictionary). Debate is at the heart of forum involvement.

You wrote:
Who attends a home Bible study with the intent to debate? Share your interpretation of scripture, yes. Debate me over mine? That's not the kind of home Bible study I've ever been a part of or want to be a part of.
I attend one of those every week where debate is encouraged, debate with respect for believers. In fact, I'll be attending it tomorrow.

The Bible Study directory should be a place for debate as there are many controversial passages of Scripture that need discussion. Why would Gleason Archer have written The Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties (it's available online) if there were not divergent and controversial interpretations of Scripture?

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IF members would choose to be respectful to each other open forums could be great... :sohappy

One of the meanings that the Oxford dictionaries (online) give to the meaning of 'forum' is: 'An Internet site where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings' (2016. s v forum). The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives one of the meanings of 'forum' as: 'a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas' (s v forum).

I do not see the word debate in the above
reba,

Do you see the word Trinity in the Bible? Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Of course! So an exact word does not have to appear in a document to demonstrate that its meaning is included. The same applies to the dictionary examples I gave to begin the OP.

I cited the Merriam-Webster Dictionary where one of the meanings of 'forum' is : 'a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas' (s v forum).

Surely it's reasonable to see that 'open discussion or expression of ideas' will include debate. Open discussion and expression of ideas does not mean censoring opposing views.

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You are most welcome to retain your old sin nature. Nobody's trying to take that away from you. :lol
As for me I'm a new creation in Christ for whom the old has passed away:

"17 ...if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Corinthians 5:17 NASB bold mine)

"7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened." (1 Corinthians 5:7 NASB bold mine, italics in original)

"neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB bold and underline mine)

So make sure you don't include me when you say 'we' still have the sin nature. :)
Jethro,

The topic is the nature of a forum and the need to include more respectful debate for a more extensive range of directories on CFnet.

The Oxford dictionaries provides one of the meanings as: 'An Internet site where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings' (2016. s v forum).

This does not state that these 'comments about a particular issue or topic and reply' are in agreement or disagreement. Both Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries support the view that the nature of a 'forum' is for open discussion and comments. Debate fits in well with the fundamental definition of forum in these 2 dictionaries.

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Here are some further dictionary definitions of the meaning of forum.

The Cambridge Dictionary (s v forum) gives this definition of 'forum': 'a situation or meeting in which people can talk about a problem or matter especially of public interest: a forum for debate/discussion'

One of the definitions in the Macmillan Dictionary (s v forum) is: 'a website, newspaper, television programme etc where people can express their ideas and opinions'.

The Collins Dictionary (s v forum) gives the meaning, 'a meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest'.

The Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English (s v forum) provides this definition: 'an organization, meeting, TV programme, etc where people have a chance to publicly discuss an important subject'.

So, all of the definitions I have provided from dictionaries affirm that a forum is a place to express ideas and opinions, a place of open discussion, and where people can talk about a problem or matter of public interest.

Therefore, it is a natural inference that debate will happen. The fundamentals of respectful debate should be available on any forum, including CFnet.

Oz
 
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