Freedom of Religion versus homosexuals right to marry, who will win?

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  1. godsquadgeek

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    Examples 3 through 5 are all the same. Christianity prohibits being worldly, if you can make a cake by separating the emotions from your mind temporarily and only use intellect and not emotion in your artistry, then maybe you are correct. But most artistry involves more that intellect, to the point that the baker expresses the celebration in a form of art. Same with a photographer. So if these artists are one in celebration, they are becoming one with the world. The mark of Cain is a misunderstanding of the Bible.
     
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    A Muslim shop will not sell bacon to anyone at all because they believe anyone who touches bacon its a sin so it doesn't even reach the shelf.

    A christian shop did not sell a cake to a gay couple because they believe its a sin.
     
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    But the Muslim shop will not sell bacon to anyone because they do not stock the bacon, because as you say they believe it is a sin to touch bacon.

    BUT, the Christian shop did not sell the cake because they though touching cake was a sin. They still sold cake.

    If you want to equate the two, then you must equate the sins. The Muslim shop thinks pork to be unclean, so he does not sell pork to anyone. The Christian shop does not see the cake as unclean, and they still continue to sell cake.


    If I were to go into a Jewish deli, I would not expect to find a pork sandwich. A hot pastrami on rye on the other hand, I'm all in. Now if I were to walk into some Ice Cream shop, I would certainly expect to be served some flavor of ice cream that is to my liking. Chocolate, Vanilla...... Now if they didn't carry tootie fruity with some flakes on top, I would still be just as happy with another flavor.
     
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    If a gay dont get served they can happily go down the road.

    I dont see why anyone wpuld not want to serve a gay anyhow. It has nothing to do with who they are as a person. I would serve gays cakes.
     
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    Was the christian offended because someone brought a cake into their bakery?
     
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    The person was obviously offended because they brought gayness into their bakery.

    Who cares if someone is gay. I dont, as long as they are a nice person. Im not out to cause division. Each to there own.
     
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    Absolute prohibition. Or, the old saying, you can't buy what ain't there for sale.
    Totally different scenario than a bakery. A bakery does sell cakes. A Muslim butcher will never sell pork rolls.
    It's a capital C when referring to Christians just as an aside.

    A Christian baker should they want to absolutely refuse to provide service to gays could do so with no redress possible by the gays.
    Display cakes available with male and female toppers only. When a gay couple seeks a cake simply say, we do not have cakes available.
    That's it. Don't argue. Don't defend.
    We do not have cakes available.
    If then the gay couple make a scene the baker can call police after the couple refuses to leave and have them escorted from the shop for trespassing. And then tell the police they are to have a trespass warrant set against them so that they don't return. If they do so, they're arrested.
    Everything then is the fault of the gays for being disruptive, confrontational, and trespassing. And the Christian baker is the victim. Rather than what the radical gay lobby seeks to do now in making things the other way around.
     
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    For Phillips it is not about a topper. He makes wedding cakes without toppers, as well. For him it is about the whole wedding cake, the whole of idea of making a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding.
    His last hope and others hopes, is that the SCOTUS finds in favor of an artist's freedom of speech and that cake baking and decorating is a form of art. If he wins it will be a win for people like photographers and others who's business is a form of art.
     
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    I wouldn't call it hope. I would call it suicide. I hope like crazy SCOTUS refuses to decide in favor of the baker. Because if they do, we're all screwed. Meaning every single American that thinks they're entitled to be served in public retail facilities and propriotorships.
    Because this baker is falling for the hook the homosexuals that challenged his faith set .

    If SCOTUS rules in his favor it isn't solely in favor of Christians. It is in favor of all retailers of any persuasion whatever. And given how radical atheists are now, and homosexuals, we'd be cutting our own throats.
    This baker is following where the gay agenda led. And he's short sighted and foolish for not thinking it out.

    Someone can't walk into a bakery and demand a fresh ground pound of veal.A baker should be able to offer certain types of wedding cakes and that's all. But the whole premeditation in the gay activists pursuit of this, starting with entering what they knew was a Christian bakery knowing they'd be refused a wedding cake, is to build the cobble stones toward SCOTUS. Intending to make the Christian business person targeted to be the villain. And the whole of homosexual community the victim.
    Gone are the days when civility existed and common sense and decency. "We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service To Anyone" is a sign rarely if ever seen in a store front.

    We're being made into Sodom and Gomorrah by law now.

    And all of this , every last act, is following the blueprint laid out in a decades old book, blueprint, created in part by a homosexual attorney. This is pre-planned. All of the concessions America has been forced to make due to gay activism that is violent, threatening, domestic terrorism, is due to an agenda, so that homosexuals can't play victim again using that word agenda, in a book written as a manifesto and entitled,After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's.

     
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    Sodom and gomorrah was not about gays.
     
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    But ,whispers, I'm into photography and its not consider art as well because of its commercial usage.it's why the art museum doesn't teach photography. It's a shame but it's the truth
     
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    SOdom and gommorah wasn't just about gays in the judgement.
     
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    Correction. It was not just about gays.
     
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    It wasn't even about gays at all really. Sodom was a recurring city up to that point and had Wronged Abraham and his family on a few occations. The city was judges to be destroyed well before angels even get there. The city was considered extremely unhospitable and degraded since they didn't aknowledge God. The attempted rape of the angels was basicly just extra after everything that Sodom was condemned for.
     
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    It's too bad so many lawmakers on the Right are making this mostly about religious liberty. That is secondary. Primary is what is Truth. By making this primarily about religious liberty, people are opening the door to belief systems like Islam gaining freedoms in Sharia application.
     
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    Religious liberty is truth, what truth are you talking about?
     
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    Just for the sake of accuracy, both the Free Speech Clause and the Free Exercise Clause were identified in the petition for certiorari that was granted, and the Supreme Court did not indicate that it was granting certiorari solely on the Free Speech issue. The briefs that have been filed fully address both issues. This is the issue as framed in the petition for certiorari. If the case were decided solely on Free Speech grounds, that would be a potentially narrower and less interesting decision:

    Whether applying Colorado’s public accommodations law to compel Phillips to create expression that violates his sincerely held religious beliefs about marriage violates the Free Speech or Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment. ​
     
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