Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

[savedbygrace57]

messenger

Actually, the "good news" is that, God in His mercy had chosen and predestined a remnant to serve Him, and to give them the ultimate inheritance: eternal life... even though none of them deserve it!

Amen, could ot have stated it better !

The Bible tells us to wait for the salvation of the Lord (Lamentations 3:26). If it is His good pleasure to save an individual, then He will (2 Timothy 1:9). All of mankind must be subject to the mercy of God, because of ourselves, we deserve nothing from God but eternal death; because any of the works we do are as filthy rags before Him (Isaiah 64:6).

Yes, as was the publican, he looked solely to God's Sovereign prerogative to have mercy on him. He knew he had no claims to it. Luke 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.


That word merciful is the greek word
hilaskomai

to render one's self, to appease, conciliate to one's self

a) to become propitious, be placated or appeased
b) to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful
2) to expiate, make propitiation for


Its the same word used in Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

The publican was actually seeking that mercy that the OT sacrifices typified which would come through the Seed of the woman. Also it appears that he understood this principle Ex 34:7

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

 

[savedbygrace57]

ezra

I ACCEPTED by saying GOD save me

This is edited what oneself did !

 

[Eugene]

Yes, as was the publican, he looked solely to God's Sovereign prerogative to have mercy on him. He knew he had no claims to it. Luke 18:13

Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears by your standards that the Publican also did a work by asking for mercy. (1) You say He looked. (2) He asked for mercy.

Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

 

[Eugene]

Actually, the "good news" is that, God in His mercy had chosen and predestined a remnant to serve Him, and to give them the ultimate inheritance: eternal life...

We read in Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Are these just a part of the elect? How many do you suppose are saved?

 

[ezra]

ezra

I ACCEPTED by saying GOD save me

This is edited what oneself did !

what are you trying to say?

 

[Messenger]

Actually, the "good news" is that, God in His mercy had chosen and predestined a remnant to serve Him, and to give them the ultimate inheritance: eternal life...

We read in Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Are these just a part of the elect? How many do you suppose are saved?

Yes. God has reserved a remnant (Romans 11:5) of the Jews and of the Gentiles; a select group Acts 13:48, 15:14-17; Micah 7:18) who will not bow the knee to Baal: idolatry, a false christ and a false gospel. How many? I believe we shall soon see! (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

TGBTG!

 

[Messenger]

"What must I DO to become saved?

acts 16 25 But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them;26and suddenly there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened.27When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.28But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!â€29And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas,30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?â€

The Jailer Converted

31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.â€32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.
IT is HIS will for us to be saved in fact all be saved .that where we must accept or reject-------------------> I ACCEPTED by saying GOD save me sure glad i didnt have to wait to win the lotto for salvation

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

If the jailor was saved by his act of believing, that would be a direct contradiction to these verses. Yet, there are many who maintain they are saved because they believed; or because they repented; or because they were water baptized; or because they accepted Christ. But they are deceived.

The final population of Heaven will not be determined by those who have "accepted Christ", but by those whom Christ has chosen (Ephesians 1:3-11, Romans 8:28-33; Acts 13:48).

TGBTG!

 

[Eugene]

Actually, the "good news" is that, God in His mercy had chosen and predestined a remnant to serve Him, and to give them the ultimate inheritance: eternal life...

We read in Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Are these just a part of the elect? How many do you suppose are saved?

Yes. God has reserved a remnant (Romans 11:5) of the Jews and of the Gentiles; a select group Acts 13:48, 15:14-17; Micah 7:18) who will not bow the knee to Baal: idolatry, a false christ and a false gospel. How many? I believe we shall soon see! (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

TGBTG!

Hi Messenger, would you accept the number of elect as innumerable?

Revelation 5:9 And they (24 Elders & 4 Living ones) sung a new song, saying, Thou . . . hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne . .

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (The heavenly Jerusalem), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, . . .

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[Messenger]

Actually, the "good news" is that, God in His mercy had chosen and predestined a remnant to serve Him, and to give them the ultimate inheritance: eternal life...

We read in Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Are these just a part of the elect? How many do you suppose are saved?

Yes. God has reserved a remnant (Romans 11:5) of the Jews and of the Gentiles; a select group Acts 13:48, 15:14-17; Micah 7:18) who will not bow the knee to Baal: idolatry, a false christ and a false gospel. How many? I believe we shall soon see! (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

TGBTG!

Hi Messenger, would you accept the number of elect as innumerable?

Revelation 5:9 And they (24 Elders & 4 Living ones) sung a new song, saying, Thou . . . hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne . .

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (The heavenly Jerusalem), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, . . .

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

Hi Eugene,

Innumerable, in that no man can number them, except God of course.
And the number 144,000, a number pointing to the 12 tribes of Israel,
is most-likely a symbolic one comprising the whole spiritual House of Israel.

Judging by what God's Word tells us regarding the early churches, and how soon they began teaching a false gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), it would seem that the number of of all the elect is relatively small in comparison to all the population that ever existed on earth. So we shall see.


Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[savedbygrace57]

messenger

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

Thats absolutely correct. In fact a Lost person cannot believe the Gospel because in a lost state its hid from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

If we are not already saved from a blinded mind, which all have by nature, we cannot believe the Gospel !

 

[reba]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

 

[ezra]

"What must I DO to become saved?

acts 16 25 But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them;26and suddenly there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened.27When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.28But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!”29And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas,30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

The Jailer Converted

31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.
IT is HIS will for us to be saved in fact all be saved .that where we must accept or reject-------------------> I ACCEPTED by saying GOD save me sure glad i didnt have to wait to win the lotto for salvation

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

If the jailor was saved by his act of believing, that would be a direct contradiction to these verses. Yet, there are many who maintain they are saved because they believed; or because they repented; or because they were water baptized; or because they accepted Christ. But they are deceived.

The final population of Heaven will not be determined by those who have "accepted Christ", but by those whom Christ has chosen (Ephesians 1:3-11, Romans 8:28-33; Acts 13:48).

TGBTG!

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

what does the scripture say in acts??? the man was seeking salvation and he got saved.

but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

thats not even scripture

 

[Messenger]

what does the scripture say in acts???

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and
as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

 

[ezra]

what does the scripture say in acts???

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and
as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
so now we have to be consecrated before salvation.

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household. so much for grace.... so it appears like we can be baptized first then saved

 

[Messenger]

messenger

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

Thats absolutely correct. In fact a Lost person cannot believe the Gospel because in a lost state its hid from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

If we are not already saved from a blinded mind, which all have by nature, we cannot believe the Gospel !

Matthew 13:10-11
And the disciples came, and said unto Him,
Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them,
Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it is not given. (John 3:27)

God alone is the giver of wisdom and understanding (Proverbs 2:6-7),
the seeing eye, and the hearing ear!
(Proverbs 20:12; Jeremiah 5:21; Matthew 13:15-16)

TGBTG!

 

[ezra]

The jailor was not saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ; but first God saved him, and then as a result, he could believe.

then might you explain what paul said? when the jailer said The Jailer Converted

31They said, “ Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household .”32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. i rest my case.the word speaks for it self. nice try

 

[Messenger]

Before anyone can believe on Christ in a way that leads to salvation, he first must be given (John 3:27) spiritual eyes and ears by God Himself (Proverbs 20:12), because without them no one can perceive His spiritual truths. (John 8:43)

The Bible is clear that only those ordained to eternal life will believe in a way that results in salvation.
(Acts 13:48)

They are the ones chosen and predestined to receive eternal life before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1:4, 1:11)

Having faith to believe is a "fruit" of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22), and a spiritual gift (Ephesians 2:8). They are the evidence of true salvation, which is totally a work of God; not of man. (Ephesians 1:9; John 6:29)

And notice that that Paul didn't need to tell the jailor to repent; for he was already repenting. This was evidence that God already gave him a new heart. (Ezekiel 36:26)

"And thy house"; this was a promise made specifically to the jailor by Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (God knows every one of them!); that Paul knew his entire family would be saved. Also, in other places in the Bible, God speaks of those 'in the house' as a reference to all His elect children. (Romans 11:5)

TGBTG!

 

[ezra]

Before anyone can believe on Christ in a way that leads to salvation, he first must be given (John 3:27) spiritual eyes and ears by God Himself

thats all the work of the holy spirit spirit quickens called regeneration. what a shame man has been trying to improve the plan of salvation that only takes child like faith

'in the house' as a reference to all His elect children.

would care to show me a scripture in them exact words ?curious can you say he made a choice ? next romans 10:9-10 will be redefined

They are the ones chosen and predestined to receive eternal life before the foundation of the world

curious how did you know you was the chosen one?

 

[Messenger]

Before anyone can believe on Christ in a way that leads to salvation, he first must be given (John 3:27) spiritual eyes and ears by God Himself

thats all the work of the holy spirit spirit quickens called regeneration. what a shame man has been trying to improve the plan of salvation that only takes child like faith

'in the house' as a reference to all His elect children.

would care to show me a scripture in them exact words ?curious can you say he made a choice ? next romans 10:9-10 will be redefined

They are the ones chosen and predestined to receive eternal life before the foundation of the world

curious how did you know you was the chosen one?

Your questions have already been addressed in the entirety of this thread. Regarding those "in the house", you need to do your own Bible research; it's a diversion from the subject of this thread. (CLUE: "House of Israel" would be a good start); use a good Bible concordance and compare spiritual with spiritual;
1 Corinthians 2:13). Each one needs to study the Bible for himself as he is led of God to do so, and rely on God to teach him; for He alone is the giver of spiritual eyes and ears (Proverbs 20:12; John 3:27).

TGBTG!

 

[ezra]

(CLUE: "House of Israel" would be a good start);

that has nothing to do with the Philippian jailer--i do study its not a diversion freedom to chose is very much Biblical . ok so i wont bother to disagree with your agreement that Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! but i would like to see scripture to back this up. with the exact words "Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !"

And notice that that Paul didn't need to tell the jailor to repent; for he was already repenting.

repent change one mind .thus the reason the HOLY SPIRIT was convicting him.