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1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

hmmm? I wonder where HEAVEN might be in that equation?

God does dwell 'in heaven' does He not?

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Trying to 'pin' these matters down to 'space' and 'time' does not work.

God is A SPIRIT.

In and by faith 'we' are a part or a 'share' in Him and His Produce.

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Who said anything about space and time.

God dwells in a Temple in Heaven.

5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened. 6 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever. 8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. Revelation 15:5-8


Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. Revelation 7:15


God also dwells in born again believers.


JLB
 
Jesus said the temple would be destroyed. He said it would happen within that same generation.
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The temple was destroyed in 70 AD, just as Jesus said.

However, 70 Ad has nothing to do with the end of the age!

JLB
 
Revelation 11 isn't even about the physical 'brick and mortar' temple, rather it's a depiction of 'God's People' divided into three types. Within the generation of first century Judaism are the righteous Jews, the Christians, and the unrighteousness Jews. These are symbolized by the three areas of the temple complex. This is why even though the Gentiles destroyed the entire physical temple, only the outer court of rebellious Jews is said to be trampled. This is also why we still have Christianity and Judaism today representing God's People on earth.
 
simply ask people to back up what they believe concerning the truth..

People claim that these things happened in the past.. Well, then show us when... This isn't rocket science.. Tell me WHEN all of these things happened.
 
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Sinthesis said:
Revelation 11 isn't even about the physical 'brick and mortar' temple, rather it's a depiction of 'God's People' divided into three types. Within the generation of first century Judaism are the righteous Jews, the Christians, and the unrighteousness Jews. These are symbolized by the three areas of the temple complex. This is why even though the Gentiles destroyed the entire physical temple, only the outer court of rebellious Jews is said to be trampled. This is also why we still have Christianity and Judaism today representing God's People on earth.
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How about the two witnesses and their testimony.. How do you remove those things from their biblical context and apply them to the past or present ?
 
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter...

Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

What is the Apostle John witnessing with respect to the eleventh chapter of the revelation of Jesus Christ ?
 
What did the Apostle John witness with respect to the things which are...?

Does John's testimony concerning the things are, align with the other Apostles of the Lamb..? Absolutely..

Does John's testimony concerning the things which shall be hereafter align with the Prophets and Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ..? Absolutely..
 
Re: Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter...

Now who in their right Christian mind is going to take the miraculous, living and powerful nature of the sword of the Spirit, and remove it from its biblical context... and then try to force it into the context of the past..or even the present ?

Why ?

What gives you the right to ignore the Apostles testimony concerning the things which are.. Or the things which shall be hereafter..?

If the Apostle to the Gentiles and the Apostle to the circumcision tell us as plain as day that the Day of The Lord shall come.. who are we to say that it has come ?
 
Originally Posted By JLB,

God dwells in a Temple in Heaven.
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How I genuinely wish you could understand JLB. The temple of God in Jerusalem was made after the pattern of the heavenly or spiritual temple, as it was shown unto Moses on the mount. The idea of the temple is that of a dwelling place of God. The temple was the house of God, His habitation. It was the place where the manifest presence, glory, and power of God resided in the most holy place.

Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament."

When the temple of God is opened, it is opened where He has raised it up, in the heavens of the Spirit of the Lord. You are the temple! And just where is this temple?

Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Because the temple is in heaven, in THE SPIRIT, those believers who love and live and walk after the flesh will not be found there! They have already, for two thousand years, been opened - and out of them flows corruption, fleshly programs and promotions, pride of life, static creeds, external rituals, prosperity, lifeless forms and ceremonies, and self exaltation, because their desires and methods and works are of the spirit of the world, after the flesh, the carnal mind, and the world is filled with the foolishness of what has been exposed in the temple of religion ON EARTH.

Jesus went through the veil into the fullness of divine life and glory. He opened and consecrated the way for us to follow, to pass through the veil into the HEAVENLY realm.


Revelation 1:10-11 "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia."


John was in the Spirit in the day of the Lord when he received the revelation! The Spirit was his vantage point, his perspective, his position, his frame of reference. Everyone is looking today in the natural for the events of this book to come to pass, but John was in the Spirit when he saw the vision, and he was in the Spirit when he wrote the book — he wasn't in the natural! His vantage point was neither 68 AD nor was it 2,000 years into the future, for those vantage points are in the natural. The Spirit was his vantage point!

He was in a realm beyond the natural, and observing events in a realm beyond the natural. These things are written in a language that only the spiritual mind can understand! A natural mind produces a natural concept (such as Heaven being a physical geographical location). The natural man believes the physical 'IS' the spiritual, and he thinks the spiritual is still physical in some way.

It should be obvious that only a person who knows Spanish is able to read a book written in Spanish. Likewise, the book of Revelation was written in the Spirit, out of the mind of the Spirit, in the language of the Spirit, and it requires a spiritual discernment to understand it! Only the man who lives and walks in the Spirit can receive from it. You must be a citizen of the the heavenlies — where the language of the book is known. You must read and understand it in the language in which it was written — not the Greek language, but the language of the Spirit of God! A spiritual book must be spiritually discerned!

1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."


"What" exactly is Heaven?

Isaiah 66:1 "Thus says the Lord, the HEAVEN IS MY THRONE, and the earth is My footstool."

Heaven is what? The answer: God's Throne! We do well to remember that heaven is not a place away off somewhere beyond the Milky Way, millions of light years distant; but "Heaven IS MY THRONE!


And what does Paul say?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."


And the Temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth IN YOU?"


Heaven is the REALM OF GOD'S SPIRIT! And as Paul tells us above, God's Spirit dwelleth where? IN YOU!


Is Christ in you? Is your answer yes? The Christ who is within you IS THE CHRIST WHO HAS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN!


John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

Notice, "WE will make OUR ABODE with him."


Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."
 
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So, whats your point?
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neither did my brother, nor will my aunt, and dad when they come to christ.do you see what you are saying? that god must use the temple to get his "children" to see. when isnt that what the GOSPEL is for?even Jews of today see ad 70 as a judgment.hmm.

modern isreal wasnt founded by practicing jews. it was founded by athiest men who are of abraham's blood. hmm they wanted isreal formed because they knew only isreal would protect all jews. not even america has done that for them. these so called churches in america that was around from 1933-1947. knew full well that the shoah was going on and did nothing. it was in the news. yet the church in america and in free europe did nothing.

yet all of them likely in america were futurists. i dont hold all of them accountable,just showing that within some here lifetimes how rotten the church was in general. this should be taught ever time the shoah comes to mind so that the church never forgets and just them(jews) but all of mankind that die in such manner.

ie darfur
kosovo, the other purges.
abortion.
if you doubt go to the holocaust museum. have you ever talked to a jew? have you ever met one and asked.
 
jasoncran said:
neither did my brother, nor will my aunt, and dad when they come to christ.do you see what you are saying? that god must use the temple to get his "children" to see. when isnt that what the GOSPEL is for?even Jews of today see ad 70 as a judgment.hmm.

modern isreal wasnt founded by practicing jews. it was founded by athiest men who are of abraham's blood. hmm they wanted isreal formed because they knew only isreal would protect all jews. not even america has done that for them. these so called churches in america that was around from 1933-1947. knew full well that the shoah was going on and did nothing. it was in the news. yet the church in america and in free europe did nothing.

yet all of them likely in america were futurists. i dont hold all of them accountable,just showing that within some here lifetimes how rotten the church was in general. this should be taught ever time the shoah comes to mind so that the church never forgets and just them(jews) but all of mankind that die in such manner.

ie darfur
kosovo, the other purges.
abortion.
if you doubt go to the holocaust museum. have you ever talked to a jew? have you ever met one and asked.
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Please do tell how you know a jew has Abrahams blood?
 
genetic testing plain and simple. by this they have confirmed that any person with a name of cohen is from levy. we also have comparable groups. such as the modern chaldiens and assyrians. they did look into that a while ago.

i hope this wont go into the khazari jew idea.
 
here we go.

uhm so paul wasnt of a tribe of benjamin and isrealite? hmm all jews are isrealites. and yes we the chaldees are still aroung in iraq and america so are the assyrians they are mostly christians. they have likely have dna of an abrhamic era person to sample. we have found dna in my state from indians that date to 30k years ago.
 
jasoncran said:
genetic testing plain and simple. by this they have confirmed that any person with a name of cohen is from levy. we also have comparable groups. such as the modern chaldiens and assyrians. they did look into that a while ago.

i hope this wont go into the khazari jew idea.
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Also, for a bible referrence on what a jew is. See


Esther 8:17


17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.



Those who are called jews follow the law. At the time ofEsther the law was very perverted. It was so perverted that it was 100%Satanic. When Christ came, the twelve tribes did not exist. Only a handful ofBenjamin and Judah had come out of bondage. Most were Persian converts. Thepeople known as jews today are direct descendants of the Pharisees. Israel isspiritual. It really always has been but Christ made it final on Calvary. Nowall men who come to God come through Christ and are made sons of God through adoption.
 
oh please. that isnt the truth.

the book of james contradict you. james was written to the lost tribes of isreal. and esther was at the time of malachi at the latest and likely before then. that would negate channukah and call daniel a liar. channukah is a restoration to the proper temple worship by devout non-hellenistic jews.
 
i guess the entire of nation of isreal is out the door. per exodus a multitude of gentiles went with them. another hater.
 
jasoncran said:
here we go.

uhm so paul wasnt of a tribe of benjamin and isrealite? hmm all jews are isrealites. and yes we the chaldees are still aroung in iraq and america so are the assyrians they are mostly christians. they have likely have dna of an abrhamic era person to sample. we have found dna in my state from indians that date to 30k years ago.
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Well sure Paul was. There were pure blood Israelites butjust enough to facilitate Christ’s birth. No one knows for sure who theIsraelites are anymore. They are likely white as the bible said Esau had redhair. There are many stone figures left behind from places the Israelites hadlived. The northern ten tribes went north through the Caucasus Mountains andbecame known as Caucasians. They likely are the Europeans. The Germans were onetribe, the French another, so on and so on.
 
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