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That is your opinion. I'll just keep listening to the people that study this for a living. You are aware that the high suicide rate is either from social isolation or related to dysphoria right?

I know you don't get that gender is seen differently by different people. Mainly that sex and gender are different and gender expression is different from chromosomes. Being a Transgender person doesn't mean you have delusions that you have different chromosomes. All it means is a person feels they socially express as a gender they see themselves as and some will get surgery to better fit into the sex of mental point.
You don't like it, whatever. They don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with them.

You can think its a sin all you want and they can live however they want as its not infringing on your rights.
It is not from social isolation. It happens at the same rate no matter the environment. Pre sex change and post, same suicide rate. It's a myth that it's an isolation factor. The rate is as high now as before and the acceptance is nearly universal. I read studies and I have cooresponded with a trans author and read his books. I'm repeating much of what he's detailed in his books.
 
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. Though thanks to how the body regulates hormones it eventually caught up with Fox (The trans fighter) and the natural advantage wore off and is now a middle contender in MMA and went from winning easily to now having to work.
Speculation. Fox's latter performance (if you even have the facts right there) could very well be the result of something besides your supposed natural advantage decline. Men pretending to be women are dominating across the board, as far as I know. Chris Cyborg is more than likely a biological male.

I am not sure if the IOC will be conducting hormone tests, but I believe they are not. If they do not intend to do so, then obviously the disadvantage is even worse and your appeal to hormone therapy is wasted pertaining to the Olympics situation.

Unless the Olympic Committee changes its mind before 2018, athletes competing in the South Korea Winter Olympics will not be required to undergo sex testing or adhere to testosterone limits.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/heres-what-the-2018-olympic-gender-regulations-look-like/

I understand where people are coming from, but Fox still had to go under tests before she could even fight and qualified within what a female fighter's levels should be.
Tests? By who? A sanctioned body approved by the state?

Not really, unless they started transitioning after years of training. Hormones are huge and the main reason why their is a difference between muscle mass in men and women. Plus if you are on the hormone therapy for years there would definitely be significant reduction of muscle mass.

But will ignore it when presented how Female and Male hormones work in the long run. ( That isn't aimed at you Truthfrees)
There is no data that I know of--outside visual estimation and performance results--that can determine any real possible performance advantage that gender-confused males have over real women despite hormone manipulation. Lab testing results, theories, hypothesis, often fail to accurately predicate real life results. The masculine structure of the body is still there. That is why no matter how much hormone manipulation takes place, a biological male athlete will still look more like a male than a female.
 
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Ben Shapiro says that transgenderism is a mental disorder. I think he's probably right. And we as a society are encouraging it.
Of course he is right. Demonic possession or influence is a potential factor. Such bondage produces certain mental dispositions, compulsions, and desires.

Can demon possession result in mental illness? Of course. Just look at the healings that Christ performed.
 
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Gender Dysphoria is a disorder, the ways to treat it would be unethical which is why trans people are allowed to go on hormones if they pass the proper psychological evaluations.
"treat"? "Heal" is the appropriate word.

Are you suggesting that biblical methods and means of healing and restoration are unethical?
 
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http://waltheyer.com/
The book I read (among others)

I've talked with Walt via email several times.
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/
Must-See Video: Three facts those promoting transgenderism ignore
A video from The Daily Signal shows how the rush to embrace the transgender ideology is based on ideology, not science, and children struggling with gender dysphoria may be the most vulnerable victims.


15 transgender individuals tell their stories of release from gender dysphoria. Powerful and compelling.Visit the website.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/13/research-claiming-sex-change-benefits-based-junk-science/
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/04/19080/

Meanwhile forces continue to peddle the transgender nonsense. You can be female IF you feel like a female (how would you even know how that feels?) Plus, you can be a female one moment, and then male the next. It's called gender fluidity. You can be neither male nor female. And in some circles people are supposed to know your pronoun of choice without you telling them. Meanwhile the suicide rate remains the same and lives are ruined. Pretending to be compassionate and tolerant, advocates of transgenderism ruin lives.

Finally, for many in this band wagon jumping, it's a slap in the face of
Genesis 1:26-27English Standard Version (ESV)
26 Then God said, “Let us make man[a] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
 
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As pertains to children and gender-confusion, Apotemnophilia occurs in children as well. Early or late occurrence of mental abnormalities is not determinative for what constitutes true mental abnormalities.

For that matter, cancer also appears in the young. Early occurrence does not indicate or determine the healthiness or naturalism of a particular inclination, disposition, or behavior.
 
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It is not from social isolation. It happens at the same rate no matter the environment. Pre sex change and post, same suicide rate. It's a myth that it's an isolation factor. The rate is as high now as before and the acceptance is nearly universal. I read studies and I have cooresponded with a trans author and read his books. I'm repeating much of what he's detailed in his books.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...4AHMQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw1fJtp3v8cfWjNvC-ezhkkL

I'd like to see these studies that refute this then.
 

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what do you make of this page 15: 2nd column paragraph?
"Collectively, these findings suggest that not being recognized by others as transgender or gender non-conforming may function as a protective factor for suicidal behavior. Conversely, one’s inability to not be recognized as transgender or gender non-conforming may create added risk."
 
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Speculation. Fox's latter performance (if you even have the facts right there) could very well be the result of something besides your supposed natural advantage decline.
Lets see, studies on male to female tansitioning vs somebody on a website that doesnt want to believe tgis is a thing. Decisions decisions.

Men pretending to be women are dominating across the board, as far as I know.
I wasn't aware that there were that many cases.
Chris Cyborg is more than likely a biological male.

I am not sure if the IOC will be conducting hormone tests, but I believe they are not. If they do not intend to do so, then obviously the disadvantage is even worse and your appeal to hormone therapy is wasted pertaining to the Olympics situation.

Unless the Olympic Committee changes its mind before 2018, athletes competing in the South Korea Winter Olympics will not be required to undergo sex testing or adhere to testosterone limits.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/heres-what-the-2018-olympic-gender-regulations-look-like/
We will have to wait and see.



Tests? By who? A sanctioned body approved by the state?
As apposed to who?



There is no data that I know of--outside visual estimation and performance results--that can determine any real possible performance advantage that gender-confused males have over real women despite hormone manipulation. Lab testing results, theories, hypothesis, often fail to accurately predicate real life results. The masculine structure of the body is still there.
Bone structure is there, but muscle mass decreases and fat deposites form.
That is why no matter how much hormone manipulation takes place, a biological male athlete will still look more like a male than a female.
Looks don't dictate ability.
 
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what do you make of this page 15: 2nd column paragraph?
"Collectively, these findings suggest that not being recognized by others as transgender or gender non-conforming may function as a protective factor for suicidal behavior. Conversely, one’s inability to not be recognized as transgender or gender non-conforming may create added risk."
That passing as the gender you are presenting as has an impact on people''s perception and by relation your safety.
 

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That passing as the gender you are presenting as has an impact on people''s perception and by relation your safety.
the thing that i had a hard time understanding is that this one paragraph seems to say people knowing you are trans-gender causes suicidal tendencies - but then people not knowing you are transgender causes suicidal issues too

perhaps they explain somewhere how both statements can be true

ime with people who struggle with gender issues their unhappiness comes from inside themselves - and can be clearly exacerbated by people being hateful toward them - but even when in a gender inclusive atmosphere they still have issues - almost like there is no safe place for them - and they start experimenting with other gender possibilities looking for peace/happiness which keeps eluding them

you mentioned that you are working with/helping non-cisgender people - so i wanted to know what your experience is

God Bless you my friend
 

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Not really, unless they started transitioning after years of training. Hormones are huge and the main reason why their is a difference between muscle mass in men and women. Plus if you are on the hormone therapy for years there would definitely be significant reduction of muscle mass. There was case a year or so ago about a MMA fighter coming out as Trans and very shortly switched divisions and it ended up disastrous for some female competitors. Though thanks to how the body regulates hormones it eventually caught up with Fox (The trans fighter) and the natural advantage wore off and is now a middle contender in MMA and went from winning easily to now having to work.

I understand where people are coming from, but Fox still had to go under tests before she could even fight and qualified within what a female fighter's levels should be. Its interesting when people will invoke Biology to argue against trans athletes, but will ignore it when presented how Female and Male hormones work in the long run. ( That isn't aimed at you Truthfrees)
so how long does it take for the hormone therapy cause a man to lose his masculine muscle mass and acquire the muscle mass of a female?

what ever it is should be the length of time before a transgender can compete with females - because his male muscle mass is still present - giving him an unfair advantage over females with female muscle mass

also what if a transgender lowers/regulates his hormone therapy to create an unfair advantage over females

perhaps the estrogen levels should be used to create categories - just like boxing has weight categories
 

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Congratulations for finding (cherry picking) a study that will slant things in your direction. 60% of doctors "refuse" to treat them. Odd. That would be against the law. So what does that mean? "Treat them" probably means give them the hormone treatment they demand or the sex change they desire. That one "fact" alone tells me that the study is suspect. I want to see the questions asked. I know how to slant a study. Anyone can do it.
 
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the thing that i had a hard time understanding is that this one paragraph seems to say people knowing you are trans-gender causes suicidal tendencies - but then people not knowing you are transgender causes suicidal issues too
From what I understand from the article the knowing is situational. Hyper awareness vs recognition.

perhaps they explain somewhere how both statements can be true

ime with people who struggle with gender issues their unhappiness comes from inside themselves - and can be clearly exacerbated by people being hateful toward them - but even when in a gender inclusive atmosphere they still have issues - almost like there is no safe place for them - and they start experimenting with other gender possibilities looking for peace/happiness which keeps eluding them
Dysphoria can be powerful.

you mentioned that you are working with/helping non-cisgender people - so i wanted to know what your experience is

God Bless you my friend
Oh, nothing like that. I work with adult with mental and physical handicaps.
 

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A transgender woman (male to female) will only ever be a cosmetic female. Everything about their femaleness will be fake. And this is part of the reason for the high suicide rate. Comorbidity among transgenders is mostly ignored or treated as insignificant. Even though their is a high rate of comorbidity among transgender individuals. Up to 80 of those that identify opposite their birth gender revert to their birth gender around puberty. Instead of treating the obvious mental illness of transgender, "experts" recomend they play dress up, give them pills, and eventually surgery. BTW, there is a high enough rate of sex change regret to say, wait a sec folks. But LGBT won't have it. They have an agenda to normalize all things sex as long as it's not as God designed. Look up gender unicorn and Genderbread Man. They teach this to our kids.
 
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