Gender confusion and outright lies.

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  1. AirDancer

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    How disgusting!

    And if the Dad did teach 'tolerance' and stopped being protective of his daughter by concealing male nudity, then Child Services would rush in, take the daughter away, and claim he was a pervert and child molester.

    Disgusting.
     
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    Its just too funny, and it had to be a kiwi as well. Lol.
     
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    our world is upside down. He doesn't deserve to compete against women. Stupid.
     
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    What is Hallmark going to do with Mother's day card and Father's day card ... :cries
     
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    I heard on my fav radio program that if a trans (man to woman) wants a pap smear from "her" doc, even though it's physically impossible, it's against the law to discriminate and refuse. You have to do the procedure.
     
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    Who cares, do you really care about who wins a sports competion. There only cheating themselves and a world who only cares about winning and being better than others at something in self pride. I just sit back and have a laugh.
     
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    I care because it's wrong. Recently, a female transitioning to male was allowed to compete in the women's wrestling competition. She (he) won easily. The female had been taking testosterone and was built like a brick wall. So basically, on woman got to take testosterone which enhanced her performance. The other female contestants were at a disadvantage. It is wrong and needs to be stopped. We are out of control in our society and it's now a FAD to be a transsexual! I'm 65 but in some places (maybe all) in the US I can shower in the girls shower area. All I have to do is say I'm a female. Beard and all. And there's nothing you can do about it. That's our stupid world at the moment. For me, if I saw an old man go into the girls showers when my grandkids were in there, it wouldn't end well.
     
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    this is...scary times. I'm all about genuine tolerance. I do think some people have "gender identity disorder" or whatever because of very real problems. Sometimes its physical (there's a lot we have yet to learn about all this), sometimes its more mental/emotional/psychological...

    but I don't think "tolerance" should include foisting hormones and operations on people as the "progressive" thing to do. Not only do I have a problem with butchering and hormonally-altering a human being because of my relationship with Christ, at another level...I don't like how so many problems that are clearly spiritual in nature have been turned over to The Medical Establishment. Doctors of all sorts will now gladly tell you how to live your life--how to handle your relationships, what to eat, how to raise your kids, how to think the right way, etc.--in a "healthy" way. Right...

    So, this adds a whole new level to the "medicalization of deviance." If you're a misfit, the "experts" will gladly butcher you and dope you up so you can look like the other sex, kinda sorta. In a lot of nations, this can happen at tax payer expense.

    Its wrong. I used to be a flamer--I mean, dyed hair, squeaky voice, button nosed, soon to explode into flames homosexual--so I can emapthize. In my case, I'm beginning to suspect that a lot of my problems were biologically rooted. I needed a miracle, and now 4 years and a bit into my walk with The Lord...I'm not a man's man (still not into the ladies, lol), but I'm remarkably normal. So, I --get-- gender non-conformity, to a point. I just don't think it should be celebrated and I certainly don't think hardcore psychiatric and medical intervention should be the routine method of handling these sorts of problems.
     
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    Its all state created mental illness.
     
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    The truth she said, they were all silent as they have been bullied into silence.

    Thats what the system is doing and how it works. There rights are they have a right to there own opinion. The system cannot and will not force people to accept things they dont want to accept through free speech and freedom of opinion.

    And that's what the whole mass survellence is about, its not about finding terrorists, its about silencing the masses out of fear.
     
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    Sorry Sparrow, I just now saw your post, must have missed it.
    The biggest disclaimer I can bring up when it comes to discussion on Queer Theory, film theory, Gender Theory, when it comes to the arts is mostly about questioning the established concepts and finding new ways to both explore new ideas and to make sure people are accurately represented.

    My ideas and experiences when it comes to transgender and Non Binary stuff is that it takes the usual idea that gender and sex are the same and makes gender more related to Personality and core identity and Sex to be the biological marker. Most of the confusion is that its a drastic redefining of gender for the common folk. Most of this gender stuff that people here are most likely to come in contact with is from kids looking for ways to express themselves in a non traditional manner. Think Punks from the 70s, Metal Heads from the 80s, Grunge from the 90s, etc. We even have Hipsters that are a forever fading in and out crowd. What I'm saying is most of this is a phase. The dangerous part is that there are real people with Gender identity issues and have Clinical Disphoria with their bodies and identities. It all links to how one is perceived and their mannerisms.

    A lot of sociological and psychological literature I read on this ( Back when I cared in the late 2000s, so there has probably been more research), is that people do vary on a spectrum of what we would call masculine and feminine identifiers. A lot of queer/gender sociological theory and research is that the lines aren't as hardwired or as innate as we had come to believe. Sure Men tend to be built with larger frames, and women have higher pain thresholds on average, but most of the stuff we consider male of female is more cultural and personality based. For example leadership skills, mechanical and lateral thinking skills, creativity, liking specific toys, etc.

    Now is a growing pains period media wise because its both a trying time of figuring out how to naturally add this stuff without making it campy or pandering/ alienating.

    Right now Gender being examined as being more of an indentity is causing chaos because we simply don't know how to handle it yet. Of course neither extreme of the argument is patient and want it to either be the rainbow care bear apocalypse, or to completely pretend that it doesn't exist at all.

    Whew, a lot of information to try and articulate in such a small space. :tongue

    If anyone has any question or want me to go more into detail, let me know.
     
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    I do think it would be helpful to have a culture-wide discussion on what makes a man, what makes a woman, etc. I seem to recall reading that male-to-female transsexual patients/people tend to have more rigid notions of gender-appropriate behavior. That's one thing I definitely dislike about pushing sex changes and such as "appropriate treatment;" it reinforces, rather than questions, society's concepts about masculinity and femininity.

    Plus, with "gender dysphoria" (I think that's the current term) and any other DSM "diagnosis," there's a lot of stories behind the labels. There's personal and often family issues, yes, but there's also a lot of "problems" that are rooted in society as a whole ("the personal is political").

    As "progressive" and "tolerant" as many people try to be in "affirming" trans people and such, I get the sense that such "affirmation" reinforces the idea that these are "personal problems," when really...everybody's life, everybody's "problems," are rooted in the larger socio-economic framework. This is a big reason why I increasingly have "issues" with Mental Health, Inc. as a whole. They make ton$ of $$$ basically labeling and condemning and "treating" people ("patients"), while society as a whole continues to get more oppressive, more unequal, and all around...sicker and more crazy-making.

    ((and I"m finished, lol)).
     
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    And I think that is why Gender Identity Disorder was included in the DSM for the longest time. It was based around Obsessive gender indetifires that would manifest in what you said being strict role adherence. That is vastly differnt from this Non Binary aspect people use as almost a trend now.

    I think we have butted heads on this in the past. I agree that most disorders are based on how a person functions insociety, but I think we differ on the scale.

    And this is where I think that problem comes from Politics being of such large extremes. Progressives/Liberals are very fast to accept a lot of non traditional behavior first then weed out things later ( or ignore them), and Conservatives tend to just either ignore the new, or write it off as negative until it becomes something that is palatable enough to be conventional in a very slow way. Kind of how I'm seeing it become trendy to claim that Conservative values are the new Punk Rock/ Counter culture. .
     
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    Miscellaneous Points:

    ♦ They now have agender as a word added to the Internet-Dictionary.
    Google "agender definition" and you get this:
    agender
    : denoting or relating to a person who does not identify themselves as having a particular gender

    ♦ The agender movement has their own flags (amazon sells them)

    ♦ Secular Humanism is the de facto exaltation of man as a god to replace the God of the Bible.
    Once humans, de facto, have been exalted to god-status, they then can issue proclamations
    declaring blue to be red . . .or male to be female . . . or male and female to be neither one.

    ♦ One group of these human-gods is named Diversity Worship.

    ♦ Diversity-worship has such a grip on the secular social-engineers that if a significant number
    of their fellow human gods, say, 1% of the population of America (that'd be over 3 million) came
    out and seriously self-identified as a feline or a canine, or even a tree, these same secular social
    engineers would quickly and gladly add Feline, Canine, or Tree as one of the possible human
    self-identifiers.

    (they would find it a serious sin against their god named Diversity Worship, to say no to 3,000,000
    of their fellow gods)

    ♦ Humanity as its own God, sooner rather than later, reduces to widespread absurdity.

    ♦ Then just a little while later the absurdity is fully embraced as the truth.

    ♦ Very interesting OP.

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