Bible Study GO AND SIN NO MORE !!!

[JLB]

No one could be justified by the old covenant laws as for one thing they had no saving provisions within it that brought anyone to faith,but led them to condemnation. The old covenant brought condemnation with it as no one could seem to follow them all.

Then he remembered the days of old,
Moses and his people, saying:
“Where is He who brought them up out of the sea
With the shepherd of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Who led them by the right hand of Moses,
With His glorious arm,
Dividing the water before them
To make for Himself an everlasting name,
Isaiah 63:11-12

 

[Boaz308]

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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

The first part of the verse says, neither do I condemn you.... The next part go, and sin no more. That use to be one of the most challenging scriptures in the bible to me. I prayed about it and felt like I got some revelation. So take you can take that for whatever you like. But the answer for me is this. "What else could Jesus have said?" Meaning, that just because people can, will and do sin; you don't change the standard. The standard is don't sin. Be Holy as your father in heaven is Holy. This is the standard. (It's a whole different topic, if you want to discuss Can you live in open unrepentant adultery all your life and still go to heaven) But I no longer find this verse so personally challenging as I use to.

 

[Eugene]

Brother the scripture says Michael was the one who did not bring a reviling accusation against the devil.
Why would Michael bring a reviling accusation against us?

You're correct, I said it wrongly. If Michael were dealing with the devil concerning us he would also refer to God as judge.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[Eugene]

Can you live in open unrepentant adultery all your life and still go to heaven)

Hi Brother Boaz, and thanks for your input.
I believe there is consequence to sin of any kind, especially as to our reward and eventual part in the first resurrection. To me our eternal life is based on what Jesus did to redeem us, and our receiving Him as our Savior.
I personally don't see us saved by works of the law, good deeds, or any other demand. It is by grace we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves.

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I wrote the following pamphlet expressing what I believe as concerning our salvation.
Salvation with Security – 1, 2, 3
http://www.christianforums.net/Fell...ds/salvation-with-security-parts-1-2-3.52236/

Want to dig further? I wrote the following pamphlet also.
Christian Sufferings
http://www.christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/christian-sufferings.52898/
Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[ezra]

so i guess if we dont remain faithful unlike peter unlike moses.. we fail we go to hell ..there goes Grace out the window were all doomed

 

[for_his_glory]

Then he remembered the days of old,
Moses and his people, saying:
“Where is He who brought them up out of the sea
With the shepherd of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Who led them by the right hand of Moses,
With His glorious arm,
Dividing the water before them
To make for Himself an everlasting name,
Isaiah 63:11-12

Christ is our saving provision by that of Gods grace that by faith which is Christ Jesus in all who will believe will have eternal life. We can not find eternal life within the law, nor in scripture, but through Christ only who is our mediator before the Father. We who believe are told to sin no more as now we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit being a new creation in our inner man that we present ourselves holy before Him.

 

[Randy]

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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We keep Jesus's commandment to remain in His love "Love one another as He as has loved" which full-fills the law. It is of special note in the commandments to honor your Father and Mother.
In regard to the law as Paul we see all the law as law and the NT shows which which laws when broken still lead to death. It seems morality and violence,harm, and ill will towards others is still held accountable but laws requiring celebrations and ceremonial ordinances such as, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day", or circumcision are not in force. We are saved by grace. A righteousness that is from first to last by faith in Christ Jesus.

Paul considered the law when making judgments. Such as, "For Scripture says, Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."

A spirit of repentance and love towards Jesus (God) and others is usually a good sign of a sincere faith love for Jesus (God) and true salvation such as," But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."

 

[JLB]

Christ is our saving provision by that of Gods grace that by faith which is Christ Jesus in all who will believe will have eternal life.

Amen

We can not find eternal life within the law, nor in scripture, but through Christ only

I agree.

However, He put His Spirit within them in the Old Testament.

Then he remembered the days of old,
Moses and his people, saying:
“Where is He who brought them up out of the sea
With the shepherd of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Who led them by the right hand of Moses,
With His glorious arm,
Dividing the water before them
To make for Himself an everlasting name,
Isaiah 63:11-12


Just something for you to think about.


JLB

 

[Boaz308]

Hi Brother Boaz, and thanks for your input.
I believe there is consequence to sin of any kind, especially as to our reward and eventual part in the first resurrection. To me our eternal life is based on what Jesus did to redeem us, and our receiving Him as our Savior.
I personally don't see us saved by works of the law, good deeds, or any other demand. It is by grace we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves.

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ha, now your high jacking your own original post! I guess you do want to discuss the "whole different topic."

2 Peter 2:20
Rev 22:19
Heb 6:1-8
The Parable of the Sower, The parable of the 10 Virgins, the parable of the wedding feast....

No doubt you have read all these scriptures and this topic has been done and done and done and done and done some more. So let me take a different approach.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We as humans will come to our beliefs and ideas either by teaching, learning or personal experience and create our doctrinal theology. Then we get stuck and will find scripture that we can quote that supports our beliefs. Yes, that makes us all Pharisee's. The better way to read the bible is not trying to support my own feelings or desires but in truly reading the scripture and asking our selves. What message is God trying to get across right here. Clearly if you just compare side by side verses one can find opposing statements. for example. Honor your father and your mother, or you must hate your mother and your father??? WHAT!!!! this doesn't make any sense. Which one is it. Clearly if you believe in the infallibility of the bible, you have to say Okay, what is the bible saying to me right here and what is the context.
If you need eternal security then you have it. The scriptures you quote are for you. No man can Pluck you out of the Hand of the Father.
But for the person that believes that can live their life however they wish and get entangled with the snares of this world and deny the conviction of the Holy Spirit, well there are scriptures for them as well.

 

[eddif]

Matthew 28:18 KJV
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Or the Acts version
Acts 2:37 KJV
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men andbrethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, evenas many as the Lord our God shall call.

Father - repent - Law - sin
Son - salvation - first fruits - Passover lamb
Holy Spirit - Power witness - children speak.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Amen



I agree.

However, He put His Spirit within them in the Old Testament.

Then he remembered the days of old,
Moses and his people, saying:
“Where is He who brought them up out of the sea
With the shepherd of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Who led them by the right hand of Moses,
With His glorious arm,
Dividing the water before them
To make for Himself an everlasting name,
Isaiah 63:11-12


Just something for you to think about.


JLB

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the OT is different then that of the indwelling on the day of Pentecost. In the OT the indwelling was only temporary as God chose those certain men for a time of His purpose. In the NT as well as today the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given to everyone who are called by His name and are Spiritually born again.

Here are a few OT scriptures that speak about the temporary indwelling: Num. 24:2; Judges 3:10; 6:34; 11:29; 13:25; 1 Sam. 10:10; 16:13; 2 Chron. 15:1

Here are a few NT scriptures that speak about the permanent indwelling: John 14:26; 1 Cor 3:16; 2 Timothy 1:14; Romans 8:9, 11, 15; 1 John 2:27

This is why we go and sin no more: Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[Eugene]

If ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Are you saying that the woman below was a Christian? If not how was she ever to walk in the Spirit? In Joh 8:5 those scribes & Pharisees referring to Moses in the law commanded that such should be stoned.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Again quoting Jesus I bring forth His words in Joh 8:11, "go, and sin no more."
And Joh 8:12 he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Sounds much like Jesus' advice to the young man who wanted to know how to inherit eternal life in Mk 10:17. Jesus' advice in Mk 10:21? Follow Me. To sin not the woman must be born of God.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

I need to learn to sin no more.

 

[eddif]

This is the time I need Christ the most. I flipped out the other night. I been stressed all year then finally let loose. But I drink too much at our work party, not a good move, then spent all my money at the casino. I never go out and drink and spend because I know I end up drinking too much, talk garbage, and spend everything. I been In bed with anxiety and depression headaches for two days trying to find peace. I finally got up.

I am for you. All the way to heaven.
I John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This above is about what God will do. It will take you all the way to heaven by the work of Jesus.
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It is not about the works of the Law you do as in:
II Chronicles 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The Chronicles passage is temporal and in this lifetime.

Redneck
eddif

 

[ezra]

I need to learn to sin no more.

dont we all

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

dont we all

The good thing is we believe God, and he has mercy, now its just about trying to live better. When we know we done wrong God has mercy because we have acknowledged our wrong so its repentful. God knows our hearts so if we are repentful he has mercy.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

.
Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I think this scripture itself is God's sending to this community. His Word, given at the proper time and place as the word against what has arrived here as the enemy of the Word's word. 1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

God bless you sir for hearkening unto our Lord's leading in this time and place. It is deeply appreciated. In the love of our great Lord, Papyrus.

 

[ezra]

The good thing is we believe God, and he has mercy, now its just about trying to live better. When we know we done wrong God has mercy because we have acknowledged our wrong so its repentful. God knows our hearts so if we are repentful he has mercy.

many times he is merciful with his grace when we fail to repent

 

[Papa Zoom]

many times he is merciful with his grace when we fail to repent

Yes, God is for us. !

 

[Papyrus_dust]

many times he is merciful with his grace when we fail to repent

1 John 3:6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.




Luke 5:27 After this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector named Levi sitting at the tax booth. “Follow Me,” He told him, 28 and Levi got up, left everything, and followed Him.29Then Levi hosted a great banquet for Jesus at his house. A large crowd of tax collectors was there, along with others who were eating with them. 30But the Pharisees and their scribes complained to Jesus’ disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”31Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

(Matthew 9:9-13; Mark 2:13-17)