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[Sparkey]

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Oopsie. lol at me! Thanks for your attention (and patience). Apologies for strained eyesight. Have you tried owning your disability and turning on the features that come stock with Windows? I have. Didn't like 'em. Dang "accessibility" stuff - it messes with me, but only with permission.

 

[Eugene]

The Law was / and is / and will continue to be written in our hearts, as promised.

Hey Brother Sparrowhawke, will it be John 15:12? This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Will it come down to Paul’s instruction to us written in 1 Cor 11:1? Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ, and that because our reward will be according to those instruction written in Rom 2:16? We do know that Paul did not receive these words from man according to Gal 1:11-12, but by revelation from our risen Lord.

Now, to what purpose, or goal is such an effort even sought. Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, THAT I MAY WIN CHRIST.

 

[Papyrus_dust]

For context since my post has fallen back onto page 5 and so that readers can catch up on this particular discussion I've re-posted my original statement.

There is a difference between relational forgiveness and positional forgiveness.

can you explain the difference, TY.

Firstly I'll explain that the terms are not actually affiliated with anything in the Christian's actual walk with our Lord.

I made the observation due to the ongoing errant teaching that insists on promoting conditional salvation.
Positional forgiveness means while Christians are completely forgiven “positionally”, being our sins were totally forgiven when we were saved and reunited with God so that we are in Christ. As in, our position of being reunited with God and not dead in our sins in the world. However, we're not forgiven “relationally” . in our relationship with God, until we confess each sin we commit after being redeemed , indwelt, and in Christ.

 

[eddif]

Jeremiah 17:9 KJV
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

This condition is open to change.

Jeremiah 24:7 KJV
And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

I John 3:20 KJV
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

So our heart is more totally aware.

I may get a beating here.
The flesh is close to the heart. The mind is close to the spirit (spirit of mind).

Our new heart becomes more like King David. David would repent. At the last trump the heart is completely changed. The Law in our heart allows for awareness of flesh sin. Romans 7:25

All I am trying to say? The mind serves Christ. The body serves sin (on a level). The natural pacemaker shape leads me to see our heart of flesh (with intercession).

That glass darkly is one day going to be completely removed.

eddif

 

[eddif]

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Oopsie. lol at me! Thanks for your attention (and patience). Apologies for strained eyesight. Have you tried owning your disability and turning on the features that come stock with Windows? I have. Didn't like 'em. Dang "accessibility" stuff - it messes with me, but only with permission.

Retired or not. Keep on posting. Troubles or not. Keep on posting

We know some of the issues and hopefully are not looking for stones to throw. I know some ancient of days folks that are super sharp, but they are in the minority, and (I am not saying you are old). Keep on posting.

eddif

 

[reba]

Bible Study
A forum for Bible study discussions.
This is not a debate forum.

Keep holden kids ..... you are all waking that tight line between discussion & debate

 

[for_his_glory]

For context since my post has fallen back onto page 5 and so that readers can catch up on this particular discussion I've re-posted my original statement.


Firstly I'll explain that the terms are not actually affiliated with anything in the Christian's actual walk with our Lord.

I made the observation due to the ongoing errant teaching that insists on promoting conditional salvation.
Positional forgiveness means while Christians are completely forgiven “positionally”, being our sins were totally forgiven when we were saved and reunited with God so that we are in Christ. As in, our position of being reunited with God and not dead in our sins in the world. However, we're not forgiven “relationally” . in our relationship with God, until we confess each sin we commit after being redeemed , indwelt, and in Christ.

I've never heard the terms relational forgiveness and positional forgiveness. After looking it up it seems many use Ephesians 1:6-8 and 1 John 1:9 as meaning two different things in what it says. I don't see any difference between the two as both speak about forgiveness through the blood of Christ.

If we sin willfully after knowing truth then there is no more sacrifice for that sin as Christ has already made the final sacrifice and this could hinder our fellowship with God, but never our relationship as being His children. If we do not repent of the wilful sin we will pay whatever consequences that sin will bring about here on earth. This is why we need to be quick to ask for forgiveness so there will be no penalty brought against us.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. vs. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Verses 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Verses 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) (Read everything from vs 1-24 for the full context)

Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Sparkey]

Conclusion: The Law was / and is / and will continue to be written in our hearts, as promised.

Hey Brother Sparrowhawke ...
Will it come down to Paul’s instruction to us written in 1 Cor 11:1? Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ, and that because our reward will be according to those instruction written in Rom 2:16? We do know that Paul did not receive these words from man according to Gal 1:11-12, but by revelation from our risen Lord.

Now, to what purpose, or goal is such an effort even sought. Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, THAT I MAY WIN CHRIST.

No weapon formed against thee shall prosper, speaking primarily to Israel but the next verse says, "and this is the heritage of the servants of the Lord," so if you are here, serving the Lord tonight? This promise is for you. It can be found in Isa 54 I think, but Google is our friend here... We need to be in service of the Lord and it's good to contemplate all the benefits. Oh! the Law!

it's not just for those of us who are jews or those who are 'servants' in that capacity only and not for those of us who just feel so unrighteous but the last phrase goes on to say, "and their righteousness." I'll Google it and fetch so the Word may be read and we won't be relying on my memory and paraphrase only...

17 ... no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed,
and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD
and their vindication *e from me, declares the LORD.”

Footnotes:
*e 17 Or righteousness

I read this to mean, "And their righteousness (vindication) is of ME, saith the Lord." Because I know I'm not a Jew (nationally). And sometimes I don't feel like a servant of the Lord. I don't feel worthy. But the Lord goes on to say, "their righteousness [their up-rightness] is of ME." It's NOT my righteousness that makes me worthy to claim this promise. But I am righteous because I am in Christ, Jesus. If you've never meditated on 2 Cor 5:21, you need to.

"... and he who knew no sin was made sin for us, that we may be the righteousness of GOD IN CHRIST, Jesus." I can't think of how to make that better(!) Tonight you are listening to a very righteous man. Not because of what I have done but where I am. I am in Christ. (I don't know if it's a paraphrase or not, didn't look) because I am in Christ. That's why. He knows our hearts.

Hmmmm.... the other day I was treated to a lovely Christmas treat. And I ate that lovely treat like only a hungry bear could, just gobbled it down. Where now, is that treat? It is in me. Swallowed up and engulfed entirely by my tummy. If you looked in it's direction? You would only see me. Same way, when God looks toward us in Christ, He sees Jesus The Christ. We are swallowed up in our entirety. When He looks at any who are In Christ? Same. That Christmas treat is no longer visible in truth as it has been swallowed up in its entirety.

This ties into the "how" he changes us and transforms us. it is said to be from glory to Glory. Part of that process is accomplished through revelation. Another part? It's the benefit of knowing where to go. We learn early on how to Hide in the Name of Jesus, it is indeed a strong tower of defense and they who flee into it are In Christ. That's all he wrote, folks.

Blessings 2 u, brother IN CHRIST
I am very happy to be allowed to participate here in your study. Thank you kindly.
!Sparrow

 

[Eugene]

Tonight you are listening to a very righteous man. Not because of what I have done but where I am. I am in Christ.

 

[eddif]

This is in one sense out of order, but it is for impact.
Jude 1.22 KJV
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

The short book of Jude I find interesting. Two ways to keep the faith we received active.
..........
What are we saving?
Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jude speaks of angels loosing their position.
Jude 1:6 kjv
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The Holy Spirit makes us aware of:
Sin
Righteousness
Judgement
And these are ordered in time,

Hugs for some
Swats ( rough words) for others.

God’s love uses both. Peter is a primary example.

(Git er done) redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Git er done = Go and sin no more.

Just give Him the credit.

eddif

 

[ezra]

we're not forgiven “relationally” . in our relationship with God, until we confess each sin we commit after being redeemed , indwelt, and in Christ

where did that come from..repentance confession as in 1 john 1:9 paul wrote Godly sorrow brings repentance ..there is a big difference in sorry and sorrowful. the Bible also says psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.. its a matter of the heart the mouth only speaks what comes from the heart.

what did Elijah say at the show down at mount carmel ? Then Elijah approached all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If Yahweh is God, follow Him. But if Baal, follow him." But the people didn't answer him a word. today that is exactly what many are following opinions... when Jesus said go and sin no more. before that he said something to the fact neither do i condemn you just Dont go back and repeat it .. ya know what if not careful we will and we have we often take a ant hill and turn it into a montain of opinions hope didn't kick over the Golden cow of religion

 

[Papyrus_dust]

where did that come from..

I would say having read numerous discussions and certain contributions within those, the revocable salvation model is often spoken of in some communities in the world.

A partition of such eternal salvation immortal life good news antidote would then be that which counters step by step the actual good news message of eternal irrevocable salvation and eternal immortal life in the spirit with God.

Such antithetical salvation teachings would have to cut scriptures to remove context and paste the conflict verses then that would sponsor conditional salvation and impart "positional" salvation is contingent on relationship to God through a repentance model.

And as such, failure to repent of new sins would then separate from the position of eternity in God. Verses like this for example, "For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15

In brief here, the teaching that eternal salvation is not so. And eternal forgiveness having all trespasses covered under the blood of our emissary with the father, Jesus Christ, are not so, in the doctrinal ideology that encompasses the revocable, conditional, salvation ideology.

 

[ezra]

In brief here, the teaching that eternal salvation is not so. And eternal forgiveness having all trespasses covered under the blood of our emissary with the father, Jesus Christ, are not so, in the doctrinal ideology that encompasses the revocable, conditional, salvation ideology.

eternal salvation is a hot subject in this forum we do have a know so salvation..not a hope so maybe so think so working on it . but we can know . if we dont we aint man ever since time has began has been improving the plan of salvation and his written word . started calling it Denominations. my Church doctrine is better than yours

 

[reba]

The Bible Study forum is a bit more limited then some of the others watch the snarks or the way in which we word our beliefs

 

[Papyrus_dust]

eternal salvation is a hot subject in this forum we do have a know so salvation..not a hope so maybe so think so working on it . but we can know . if we dont we aint man ever since time has began has been improving the plan of salvation and his written word . started calling it Denominations. my Church doctrine is better than yours

No kidding! I was watching a Christian channel the other day and a pastor came on screaming and teaching the "prosperity doctrine." The verses he used to promote his saying, GOD WANTS you to be prosperous, and have all those things you desire..... And his congreagation were cheering.


That is why Jesus' truth is known as eternal salvation. And Paul told us that God's gifts, which would be his grace and the sacrifice of his son to insure eternal salvation and removal of our separation from God due to our Adamic nature, is the very good news that stands alone. Unfortunately, the adversary had a problem with Jesus when he was bringing us the good news on this earth. And he hasn't let up in his mission as we know to make a problem for Jesus teachings long after.
As we're told, the adversary walks this world like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.