Had a jehovah witness show up at my place today....

[OzSpen]

I think a complement must be an adjective.
It's getting late here too and my mind is not so sharp right now.
I have to understand something really well before I could offer it to someone else.

Will read this through tomorrow morning.

GOOD LUCK Oz.
I think you'll be much better off in a smaller home.
For many reasons...

See you when you get back.

wondering,

The complement is that which completes a sentence. It is not a part of speech but, in English, that which follows the verb to be and some other verbs and is functional.

Take the examples I gave in the image of complements.

• She is beautiful, where beautiful is an adjective;
• She becomes a doctor, an indefinite noun;
• He was in the bus, where the complement is a prepositional phrase;
• Your perfume smells very good. 'Very' is an adverb modifying the adjective, 'good';
• Before the show she seemed nervous. Nervous is an adjective but completes the sentence as the complement/predicate nominative.

May your snooze be a good one.

Oz

 

[tim-from-pa]

This is apparently an endless topic.

I give the Jehovah Witnesses a charitable C- for theology, an A+++ for leading Christian lives that I and most other Christians should envy. There are some points (not major points of doctrine) on which I have reached my own views and then discovered, "That's what the Jehovah Witnesses believe!" I have two JW women in my home for short and pleasant discussions at least once a month. I always accept and read their literature and frankly seldom encounter anything that makes my eyes pop out. I was interested enough that I acquired something like the first 20 issues of The Watchtower from the 1880's just to see what sort of weirdness I would encounter, and the answer was: none, N-O-N-E. Not that they don't have some distinctly odd doctrines now, but I'll let God decide how the C- on theology and A+++ for living balance out. If I were God, which fortunately for all of us I'm not, I'd open the gates of Heaven and say "Get in here, you goofballs." (If Jesus doesn't return pretty darn soon, they are going to have to rethink their own theology because one doctrine is that the generation living in 1914 will see His visible return.)

What is the joy that people derive from demonstrating their theological superiority to the Jehovah's Witnesses? Yes, I realize they think they are theologically superior and we are all lost too, but I don't see the same degree of non-JW bashing in their literature (with the exception that they love to tweak the Catholics). OK, they are misguided on some doctrines that other Christians regard as core doctrines. On the other hand, some of those doctrines, such as the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, are not exactly crystal clear in the Bible, were hotly debated in early Christianity, and were "settled" through a process of debate and negotiation. (I accept the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, so don't start down that path - but are we certain they are absolutely critical to qualifying as a Christian? That's a rhetorical question - don't feel compelled to explain to me that, yes, we by God are certain.) I'm content to fellowship with the Jehovah's Witnesses and let God decide whether they pass muster for admittance into Heaven.

As I stick my head in briefly on this thread, just want to say I love your stance on the JW's. I get the feeling that many Christians believe unless they have ALL doctrine correct they cannot be saved. Since when did that depend on man (and his ability to believe) rather than God's grace? I agree with you that trinitarian doctrine is not clear, and if it was that important, God would make it so. However, like my buddy and favorite theologian Sir Isaac Newton, I don't believe the bible teaches the trinity. I'm more Binitarian and God family and eventually when a Billion people are born into the Kingdom God will become a Billiontarian family LOL. I don't believe in "dying and going to heaven" as Jesus said no man has ascended, but rather one day we will be all resurrected. So when we die, we know nothing but will immediately appear in the presence of Godin the future end times like a time machine. I "think" the JW's have a similar doctrine. I'm more "Church of God" type doctrine although I'm not officially affiliated with any of their churches other than to support them, lest anyone says I fit into a certain mold. I'm suspicious of many organized churches. I hope a JW will stop by this coming week while I am sitting and living in my booth for the feast of Tabernacles. They will be warmly welcomed.

 

[Runner]

As I stick my head in briefly on this thread, just want to say I love your stance on the JW's. I get the feeling that many Christians believe unless they have ALL doctrine correct they cannot be saved. Since when did that depend on man (and his ability to believe) rather than God's grace? I agree with you that trinitarian doctrine is not clear, and if it was that important, God would make it so. However, like my buddy and favorite theologian Sir Isaac Newton, I don't believe the bible teaches the trinity. I'm more Binitarian and God family and eventually when a Billion people are born into the Kingdom God will become a Billiontarian family LOL. I don't believe in "dying and going to heaven" as Jesus said no man has ascended, but rather one day we will be all resurrected. So when we die, we know nothing but will immediately appear in the presence of Godin the future end times like a time machine. I "think" the JW's have a similar doctrine. I'm more "Church of God" type doctrine although I'm not officially affiliated with any of their churches other than to support them, lest anyone says I fit into a certain mold. I'm suspicious of many organized churches. I hope a JW will stop by this coming week while I am sitting and living in my booth for the feast of Tabernacles. They will be warmly welcomed.

Amen and thanks! I am not a JW - have never even been in a JW church - but I have seen them in action and know what they have suffered and do suffer for their faith. Although some of their doctrines are fairly odd, there have been a number of occasions when I have, through study and reflection, arrived at my own understanding of a theological or social issue and then realized, after the fact, "That's EXACTLY what the JW believe!" The notion that admittance to heaven will consist in part of a "doctrinal exam" is completely foreign to my notion of Christianity, but appears to be what drives a lot of Christians. ("OK, you got the Virgin Birth correct ... not so good on the Trinity, although you were close ... your idea of Bible inerrancy was not what We up here would call inerrancy, but we'll let it slide since you nailed predestination ... whoa, you missed the Rapture completely!")

 

[Douglas Summers]

Amen and thanks! I am not a JW - have never even been in a JW church - but I have seen them in action and know what they have suffered and do suffer for their faith. Although some of their doctrines are fairly odd, there have been a number of occasions when I have, through study and reflection, arrived at my own understanding of a theological or social issue and then realized, after the fact, "That's EXACTLY what the JW believe!" The notion that admittance to heaven will consist in part of a "doctrinal exam" is completely foreign to my notion of Christianity, but appears to be what drives a lot of Christians. ("OK, you got the Virgin Birth correct ... not so good on the Trinity, although you were close ... your idea of Bible inerrancy was not what We up here would call inerrancy, but we'll let it slide since you nailed predestination ... whoa, you missed the Rapture completely!")

You should follow the Scriptural study of Gary Sullivan on the gift (1 Cor. 12:1-31) of teaching Post #1. There is a correct doctrine that we (that are called) are to teach through the Holy Spirit. It is made clear that any other gospel than the one that was given from the beginning bears an "anathema" (condemnation) from God (Gal. 1:6-9). Even Satan can look like an angel of light. (2 Cor. 11:12-15) Anyone who preaches "works" or "that Christ is not the Son of God" is not of God. (1 John 2:21-23) The Spirit filled body is required to be the pillars of truth and guard the truth (1 Tim. 3:14-16). You can not come to the cross saying "I did it my way". You must be born again. (John 3:3). There are those who give their life for what "THEY" believe.(1 Cor.13:1-3) And there are those who are martyred because of their charity (1 Cor. 13:4-13). Apart from God, we can do nothing. (John 15:5).

 

[Runner]

You should follow the Scriptural study of Gary Sullivan on the gift (1 Cor. 12:1-31) of teaching Post #1. There is a correct doctrine that we (that are called) are to teach through the Holy Spirit. It is made clear that any other gospel than the one that was given from the beginning bears an "anathema" (condemnation) from God (Gal. 1:6-9). Even Satan can look like an angel of light. (2 Cor. 11:12-15) Anyone who preaches "works" or "that Christ is not the Son of God" is not of God. (1 John 2:21-23) The Spirit filled body is required to be the pillars of truth and guard the truth (1 Tim. 3:14-16). You can not come to the cross saying "I did it my way". You must be born again. (John 3:3). There are those who give their life for what "THEY" believe.(1 Cor.13:1-3) And there are those who are martyred because of their charity (1 Cor. 13:4-13). Apart from God, we can do nothing. (John 15:5).

OK, you have delivered your sermon. One thing I have discovered is that other mature Christians - be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or some other species - really don't much care what I think they "should" do. Thank you for informing me I must be born again; I was born again in 1971. I am satisfied that the JW are my Christian brothers and sisters; you, on the other hand, apparently believe they are "not of God." I don't happen to believe their errors should disqualify them from the Kingdom of God; since you apparently do, I guess they will have to take comfort in the fact that you're not God. God alone will decide whether you, I or the JW were "of God." While I decline to follow your instruction on what I "should" do, I will take comfort in knowing that a "pillar of truth" such as yourself is on the job.

 

[Douglas Summers]

OK, you have delivered your sermon. One thing I have discovered is that other mature Christians - be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or some other species - really don't much care what I think they "should" do. Thank you for informing me I must be born again; I was born again in 1971. I am satisfied that the JW are my Christian brothers and sisters; you, on the other hand, apparently believe they are "not of God." I don't happen to believe their errors should disqualify them from the Kingdom of God; since you apparently do, I guess they will have to take comfort in the fact that you're not God. God alone will decide whether you, I or the JW were "of God." While I decline to follow your instruction on what I "should" do, I will take comfort in knowing that a "pillar of truth" such as yourself is on the job.

I was serious. And it was the doctrine I was advocating (of Gifts) it was not personal. But your flippant reply was void of the Spirit of Grace of a born again believer. nor did you recognize the Truth of Scripture that I posted. Your anger has no merit to what I posted. A born again believer is humbled and void of pride. It is for this very reason that the self willed and prideful, that by rebuking the Spirit filled gifted member of the body, keeps the visible Church at variances. This is not sarcasisum. Did you read the Scriptures I posted? They speak for them self. Your post grieved the Spirit in me.

Christ in us
Douglas Summers

 

[Runner]

I was serious. And it was the doctrine I was advocating (of Gifts) it was not personal. But your flippant reply was void of the Spirit of Grace of a born again believer. nor did you recognize the Truth of Scripture that I posted. Your anger has no merit to what I posted. A born again believer is humbled and void of pride. It is for this very reason that the self willed and prideful, that by rebuking the Spirit filled gifted member of the body, keeps the visible Church at variances. This is not sarcasisum. Did you read the Scriptures I posted? They speak for them self. Your post grieved the Spirit in me.

Christ in us
Douglas Summers

Sorry to grieve the Spirit in you, Douglas. I have no doubt you are a fine Christian. Just tweaking you a bit because the smug self-righteousness of many Christians happens to be one of the foci of my irritating little ministry, such as it is. Gee, if my "flippant reply" was "void of the Spirit of a born again believer," perhaps I now find myself in the same red zone on the Doug-O-Meter as the JW? Your responses are your idea of "humble" and "void of pride," right? Just want to make sure I've got that straight. Seriously, I have no doubt you are a fine, well-meaning and Spirit-filled Christian gentleman - but you worry about your relationship with God and I'll worry about mine, OK?

 

[Douglas Summers]

Sorry to grieve the Spirit in you, Douglas. I have no doubt you are a fine Christian. Just tweaking you a bit because the smug self-righteousness of many Christians happens to be one of the foci of my irritating little ministry, such as it is. Gee, if my "flippant reply" was "void of the Spirit of a born again believer," perhaps I now find myself in the same red zone on the Doug-O-Meter as the JW? Your responses are your idea of "humble" and "void of pride," right? Just want to make sure I've got that straight. Seriously, I have no doubt you are a fine, well-meaning and Spirit-filled Christian gentleman - but you worry about your relationship with God and I'll worry about mine, OK?

I will pray for you.

 

[Runner]

I will pray for you.

Pray for me because you regard me as lost? If so, don't bother.

Pray I see the light and begin to follow the Gospel According to Douglas? If so, don't bother.

Pray my little ministry prospers? OK, thanks. (Oops, I see from the Gary Sullivan post to which you referred me that referring to "my ministry" is a major no-no and a sure sign of pride. You're going to be shocked and dismayed, but I actually happen to believe that the Lord has blessed me with the spiritual gift of teaching as well! One man's roof is another man's floor, and one man's teacher is another man's false teacher, I guess.)

Pray for me in general, as Christian brother? Thanks, I appreciate it!

 

[gr8grace3]

an A+++ for leading Christian lives that I and most other Christians should envy.

We have to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit to lead Christian lives. A JW is a Spirit filled Christian?

The JW lead a moral life( that we can SEE), But they do not lead a Christian way of life.........a Spirit filled, spiritual life.

 

[Runner]

We have to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit to lead Christian lives. A JW is a Spirit filled Christian?

The JW lead a moral life( that we can SEE), But they do not lead a Christian way of life.........a Spirit filled, spiritual life.

As we lawyers say, I will stipulate that you do not regard the JW as fellow Christians. There is no need to extend the thread by 497 more posts explaining all the ways you do not believe they are Christians.

Is a JW a Spirit-filled Christian? Yes, I believe so. I have read enough of their literature and interacted with them enough to reach this conclusion. They do not share your (or my) understanding of precisely who the Holy Spirit is, believing that He is simply God's active spirit rather than a separate person of the Trinity, but they do believe that He fills believers and actively works in their lives. If this belief disqualifies them as Christians, I will let God decide that.

I am not promoting the JW's beliefs. I am simply stating that I am reasonably informed about their beliefs and, for myself, have reached the conclusion that they are Christian brothers and sisters.

 

[gr8grace3]

As we lawyers say, I will stipulate that you do not regard the JW as fellow Christians. There is no need to extend the thread by 497 more posts explaining all the ways you do not believe they are Christians.

Is a JW a Spirit-filled Christian? Yes, I believe so. I have read enough of their literature and interacted with them enough to reach this conclusion. They do not share your (or my) understanding of precisely who the Holy Spirit is, believing that He is simply God's active spirit rather than a separate person of the Trinity, but they do believe that He fills believers and actively works in their lives. If this belief disqualifies them as Christians, I will let God decide that.

I am not promoting the JW's beliefs. I am simply stating that I am reasonably informed about their beliefs and, for myself, have reached the conclusion that they are Christian brothers and sisters.

Salvation is not a matter of understanding who the Holy Spirit is.

Salvation is a matter of understanding who and what Christ is and what HE did for us..........And the Holy Spirit ALWAYS points to Him.

Go a bit deeper with them. Find out what they believe about the Lord Jesus Christ.........because salvation is in the Lord Jesus Christ and right thinking about HIM, not the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodsGrace]

We have to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit to lead Christian lives. A JW is a Spirit filled Christian?

The JW lead a moral life( that we can SEE), But they do not lead a Christian way of life.........a Spirit filled, spiritual life.

What is a spirit filled life anyway?

Is it someone who is going to pray for me because they're born again?
Is it someone who brings me some bread when I'm hungry?

Maybe, just maybe, we should be able to SEE our Christianity?

 

[billybalke]

What is a spirit filled life anyway?

Is it someone who is going to pray for me because they're born again?
Is it someone who brings me some bread when I'm hungry?

Maybe, just maybe, we should be able to SEE our Christianity?[/QUO

What saith the scripture---Rom.4:3? Matt.25:31-46 is a GOOD place to begin if we wish to "SEE our Christianity".

 

[Free]

I get the feeling that many Christians believe unless they have ALL doctrine correct they cannot be saved.

Well, certainly there are certain doctrines we must believe to be saved. The Bible makes this clear. Some Christians, like EO or RCC, may believe one has to have it all right, but outside of those two, the terms essential and non-essential are generally used.

Since when did that depend on man (and his ability to believe) rather than God's grace? I agree with you that trinitarian doctrine is not clear, and if it was that important, God would make it so.

First, how do you know God's mind? Second, what makes you think it isn't clear?

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (ESV)

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. (ESV)

This is significant because the JWs believe that Jesus resurrected only with a spiritual body, as a spirit creature. Yet Paul says if Jesus hasn't been physically raised, we are "to be piited" and our "faith is in vain." And this also ties in with Rom 10:9-10--that one "must believe in [their] heart that God raised [Jesus] from the dead," as part of being saved.


"Lord" in verse 13 is a quote from the OT where it appears as "LORD," or rather, YHWH.

Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am [He], you will die in your sins." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [He], and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (ESV)

Joh 13:19 "From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am [He]." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 18:4 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and *said to them, "Whom do you seek?"
Joh 18:5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He *said to them, "I am [He]." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.
Joh 18:6 So when He said to them, "I am [He]," they drew back and fell to the ground. (NASB, brackets mine)

I added the brackets to emphasize the point that "He" is added into the text. And that changes the meaning. It's interesting and notable how many times that Jesus claims to be the I Am. It is also very significant that in John 8:24 Jesus says, "unless you believe I am, you will die in your sins." That agrees quite well with what Paul wrote in Romans 10:9-13.

You may have agreed with all that I posted above but the point wasn't to debate you on what you believe, but rather to point out what Jesus and Paul say about being saved, about what one must believe. And hence why JWs cannot by Christians.

And, yes, this stuff is pretty clear.

However, like my buddy and favorite theologian Sir Isaac Newton, I don't believe the bible teaches the trinity. I'm more Binitarian and God family and eventually when a Billion people are born into the Kingdom God will become a Billiontarian family LOL.

Once a binitarian, the Trinity logically follows.

I don't believe in "dying and going to heaven" as Jesus said no man has ascended, but rather one day we will be all resurrected.

And yet, Jesus said that prior to his resurrection. A very important point to consider.

 

[gr8grace3]

What is a spirit filled life anyway?

Is it someone who is going to pray for me because they're born again?
Is it someone who brings me some bread when I'm hungry?

Maybe, just maybe, we should be able to SEE our Christianity?

 

[tim-from-pa]

Free: Just to clarify, when I mentioned man's ability to believe vs grace has nothing to do with faith. I'm talking doctrinal positions that may not be clear and the church uses that as a test. There's this erroneous doctrine that man must approach God by faith (belief) and God's reaction is salvation. It's the other way around given grace we then have the ability to believe. That's those God chooses in this age. Then.... our part is the ability to disobey or to accept his grace in faith. So such a person is fully aware of their choice and choose to reject God. Not everyone has been in this position yet, and as such are neither saved nor lost, but when that choice comes by God's revelation, then that's when they have their chance as well. Faith in God results in good works as we grow. So, the "believe" that I used is what mainline Christendom dubs as "head belief". There's such thing as the "works" of faith in which so-called faith replaces works and "because we believe right" we are then saved (just as ignorant people believe "if we have good works we will be saved"). It's the same thing under two different names. That was my point.

As for the Holy Spirit, I believe very much in God's Spirit. That's the power of God. But the same God or a different, unique "person"? Then what is Jesus and the Father? They have and are the Holy Spirit (power) of God, too. After all, Jesus clearly said God is a Spirit. I have a spirit, but it's not a separate entity from myself as my spirit is also a component of my one being, and it cannot live or have consciousness without the body. In the future, I will be raised given a new body, awakened from the sleep of death. I think the problem there is merely semantics and ways of understanding the same thing.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, certainly there are certain doctrines we must believe to be saved. The Bible makes this clear. Some Christians, like EO or RCC, may believe one has to have it all right, but outside of those two, the terms essential and non-essential are generally used.


First, how do you know God's mind? Second, what makes you think it isn't clear?

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (ESV)

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. (ESV)

This is significant because the JWs believe that Jesus resurrected only with a spiritual body, as a spirit creature. Yet Paul says if Jesus hasn't been physically raised, we are "to be piited" and our "faith is in vain." And this also ties in with Rom 10:9-10--that one "must believe in [their] heart that God raised [Jesus] from the dead," as part of being saved.


"Lord" in verse 13 is a quote from the OT where it appears as "LORD," or rather, YHWH.

Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am [He], you will die in your sins." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [He], and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (ESV)

Joh 13:19 "From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am [He]." (NASB, brackets mine)

Joh 18:4 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and *said to them, "Whom do you seek?"
Joh 18:5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He *said to them, "I am [He]." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.
Joh 18:6 So when He said to them, "I am [He]," they drew back and fell to the ground. (NASB, brackets mine)

I added the brackets to emphasize the point that "He" is added into the text. And that changes the meaning. It's interesting and notable how many times that Jesus claims to be the I Am. It is also very significant that in John 8:24 Jesus says, "unless you believe I am, you will die in your sins." That agrees quite well with what Paul wrote in Romans 10:9-13.

You may have agreed with all that I posted above but the point wasn't to debate you on what you believe, but rather to point out what Jesus and Paul say about being saved, about what one must believe. And hence why JWs cannot by Christians.

And, yes, this stuff is pretty clear.


Once a binitarian, the Trinity logically follows.


And yet, Jesus said that prior to his resurrection. A very important point to consider.

What's EO?

 

[tim-from-pa]

What's EO?

That one had me, too. I looked it up and saw it makes sense. EO= Eastern Orthodox Since Free was talking about RCC (Roman Catholic Church). Historically, before Protestantism, the church split up into those two.

 

[GodsGrace]

That one had me, too. I looked it up and saw it makes sense. EO= Eastern Orthodox Since Free was talking about RCC (Roman Catholic Church). Historically, before Protestantism, the church split up into those two.

Right.
And Free is correct in what he said.
Catholics must accept all dogma.
If they can't accept one, they have to pray about it.
Thanks for the reply.