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Me to as I see the dragon as satan. The star that was cast down from heaven. And the angel of the abyss is in the same league as satan. Who is called Abaddon or Apollyon. A man can't release a being or beings from the abyss. Satan is given that key in the days of the sounding of the 5th trump.

The dragon is Satan as we read in Rev 12, but not yet kicked out of heaven until the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
The angel who is called Apollyon/Abaddon in Rev 9:11 was sent by God for His purpose to have this angel open the pit and rule over these locust as they were commanded not to kill any man, but to only torment them to where they would want to die, but could not. This angel according to Rev 9:11 was never previously bound/imprisoned in the pit, but was the angel of the bottomless pit. Many think that since the name means destroyer in the Hebrew that this is an evil angel that Satan uses in Rev 9 at the 5th trumpet. If this was an evil angel why would Satan use him to torment those who are already his?

Apollyon/Abaddon is a Hebrew word which means destruction/destroyer as God used this angel in Exodus 12:23; 1 Chronicles 21:15-18; 1 Corinthians 10:10; Hebrews 11:28; Rev 9:11.
 
The dragon is Satan as we read in Rev 12, but not yet kicked out of heaven until the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
The angel who is called Apollyon/Abaddon in Rev 9:11 was sent by God for His purpose to have this angel open the pit and rule over these locust as they were commanded not to kill any man, but to only torment them to where they would want to die, but could not. This angel according to Rev 9:11 was never previously bound/imprisoned in the pit, but was the angel of the bottomless pit. Many think that since the name means destroyer in the Hebrew that this is an evil angel that Satan uses in Rev 9 at the 5th trumpet. If this was an evil angel why would Satan use him to torment those who are already his?

Apollyon/Abaddon is a Hebrew word which means destruction/destroyer as God used this angel in Exodus 12:23; 1 Chronicles 21:15-18; 1 Corinthians 10:10; Hebrews 11:28; Rev 9:11.
I disagree. Satan fell from heaven a long time ago. And the seventh trumpet has yet to sound. Ref a star that fell from heaven.
Jesus Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.


The character of the angel of the abyss is not a angel in service to God. Ref exodus It is one of an enemy of God like Satan who leads the whole world astray.
Rev 13
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Hence Abaddon or Apollyon is currently imprisoned in the Abyss until Satan is given the key to release him.
 
I disagree. Satan fell from heaven a long time ago. And the seventh trumpet has yet to sound. Ref a star that fell from heaven.
Jesus Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.


The character of the angel of the abyss is not a angel in service to God. Ref exodus It is one of an enemy of God like Satan who leads the whole world astray.
Rev 13
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Hence Abaddon or Apollyon is currently imprisoned in the Abyss until Satan is given the key to release him.

Rev 12:7-10 says different as Satan still has access to heaven as he stands before God accusing the brethren as Jesus makes intercession for us before the Father

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it, Romans 8:31-39.

Satan is a spirit and not limited by time or space as for now he continues to roam through the earth and going back and forth between heaven and earth. It's not until the the sounding of the seventh trumpet that the war between Michael and Satan happens and Satan is finally cast out of heaven. At that time Satan knows his time is short before being cast into the lake of fire so he begins his final attempt to destroy those who are of Christ as he works through the beast out of the sea and out of the earth in Rev 13.
 
Rev 12:7-10 says different as Satan still has access to heaven as he stands before God accusing the brethren as Jesus makes intercession for us before the Father

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it, Romans 8:31-39.

Satan is a spirit and not limited by time or space as for now he continues to roam through the earth and going back and forth between heaven and earth. It's not until the the sounding of the seventh trumpet that the war between Michael and Satan happens and Satan is finally cast out of heaven. At that time Satan knows his time is short before being cast into the lake of fire so he begins his final attempt to destroy those who are of Christ as he works through the beast out of the sea and out of the earth in Rev 13.
I think you are really stretching with your theory.
What was, what is, and what is to come is in Rev. Rev 12:7-10 does not state that the one Jesus testified as fallen from heaven is still in heaven. Nor does Job which is probably 3000 years or more in the past.. So your stance is that Satan is in heaven or can go to heaven? The demons (fallen angels) were allowed to go into pigs. Apparently they were earth bound. I have no information that spirits are not limited by time. I do have Jesus's eyewitness testimony that He saw satan fall from heaven. Ref -The one who fell from heaven was given the key to the abyss and the dragon met the beast on the shore and gave the beast His authority. I have read of evidence on earth of satans minions. (demons) They lost the war in heaven. A third of the angels.
 
I think you are really stretching with your theory.
What was, what is, and what is to come is in Rev. Rev 12:7-10 does not state that the one Jesus testified as fallen from heaven is still in heaven. Nor does Job which is probably 3000 years or more in the past.. So your stance is that Satan is in heaven or can go to heaven? The demons (fallen angels) were allowed to go into pigs. Apparently they were earth bound. I have no information that spirits are not limited by time. I do have Jesus's eyewitness testimony that He saw satan fall from heaven. Ref -The one who fell from heaven was given the key to the abyss and the dragon met the beast on the shore and gave the beast His authority. I have read of evidence on earth of satans minions. (demons) They lost the war in heaven. A third of the angels.

Spirits are not limited by time as a spirit can not die. As far as fallen angels there are the third that make allegiance to Satan and then there are others like that of Jude 1:6.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

What is your take on these verses above as I see this happening at the sounding of the future seventh trumpet during God's great wrath and right before the beast out of the sea begins his 3 1/2 years of the worst tribulations that have ever been nor will ever be again.
 
Spirits are not limited by time as a spirit can not die. As far as fallen angels there are the third that make allegiance to Satan and then there are others like that of Jude 1:6.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

What is your take on these verses above as I see this happening at the sounding of the future seventh trumpet during God's great wrath and right before the beast out of the sea begins his 3 1/2 years of the worst tribulations that have ever been nor will ever be again.

I think the 5th to 7th trumps run currently with the reign of the beast and bowl judgments. In the days of the sounding of the 7th trump the kingdom of the whole world shall become the kingdom of God and His Christ.
1 corth 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 
This was in Jesus's day on earth almost 2000 years ago.
Luke 10
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
 
I think the 5th to 7th trumps run currently with the reign of the beast and bowl judgments. In the days of the sounding of the 7th trump the kingdom of the whole world shall become the kingdom of God and His Christ.
1 corth 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

All seven trumpets run in succession of each other with the first six covering everything from Rev 8:6 - 11:14. I have no idea the length of time of the first six as it is all in God's timing. The seventh trumpet begins in Rev 11:15 and covers everything from Rev 11:15-22:21.

We do know that the reign of the beast out of the sea and out of the earth in Rev 13, whom is the harlot and the beast being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, that Satan gives power to after he is cast out of heaven will be for 3 1/2 years by reading that of Rev 12. We also know the sign Jesus gave us to watch for of His coming in Matthew 24:29-31 after the tribulation caused by the harlot and the beast who causes all to bow down and worship its image and take its mark or be killed, Rev 13. When Christ returns with His army of angels and destroys the beast and false prophet (harlot and the beast) and binding Satan for a time as Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. Those who are alive and asleep in the grave as in the twinkling of an eye we will be changed and ever more with Him, Rev 19:11-21; 20:1-3; Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
 
All seven trumpets run in succession of each other with the first six covering everything from Rev 8:6 - 11:14. I have no idea the length of time of the first six as it is all in God's timing. The seventh trumpet begins in Rev 11:15 and covers everything from Rev 11:15-22:21.

We do know that the reign of the beast out of the sea and out of the earth in Rev 13, whom is the harlot and the beast being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, that Satan gives power to after he is cast out of heaven will be for 3 1/2 years by reading that of Rev 12. We also know the sign Jesus gave us to watch for of His coming in Matthew 24:29-31 after the tribulation caused by the harlot and the beast who causes all to bow down and worship its image and take its mark or be killed, Rev 13. When Christ returns with His army of angels and destroys the beast and false prophet (harlot and the beast) and binding Satan for a time as Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. Those who are alive and asleep in the grave as in the twinkling of an eye we will be changed and ever more with Him, Rev 19:11-21; 20:1-3; Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
We also know the bowl judgements are the judgements that plunge the beast's kingdom into darkness.
Rev 16:10
The beast who ascends from the abyss and overpowers and kills the two witnesses who are in Jerusalem.
Rev 11:7
The star who fell from heaven to earth was given the key to the abyss at the sounding of the fifth trump.
REV 9:9
The beast reign is 42 months.
Rev 13:5
Those armies of satan and the beast and man are not destroyed by human power.
Rev 16:15-16
 
We also know the bowl judgements are the judgements that plunge the beast's kingdom into darkness.
Rev 16:10
The beast who ascends from the abyss and overpowers and kills the two witnesses who are in Jerusalem.
Rev 11:7
The star who fell from heaven to earth was given the key to the abyss at the sounding of the fifth trump.
REV 9:9
The beast reign is 42 months.
Rev 13:5
Those armies of satan and the beast and man are not destroyed by human power.
Rev 16:15-16

This I can agree with. BTW it's Rev 9:1 not 9:9, didn't want anyone to be confused.
 
The great city has always been the Holy City of Jerusalem, even though Babylon was a great city before it's destruction by the Persians in 539BC. Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem, but outside the walls of Jerusalem on a hill in Golgotha that was also part of the Roman government in Jerusalem at the time of Christ and crucified Jesus according to their custom.

Rev 17 and 18 speaks of mystery Babylon as it is even a mystery to those today that have no understanding. In Rev 17 the great harlot rides the beast so the harlot can not be both the harlot and the beast. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them as even today these nations are controlled by the Roman Empire, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13, 17, that would love nothing less then to escape this ruling power.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

In Rev 17, 18, 19 the great harlot (son of perdition) is described and then destroyed along with the beast being the existing Roman Empire. The earth bewails their destruction as they were made rich by the woman. In the NT the term woman is used as a symbol for a church. The woman mentioned in Rev 12 is the true Church of God as she is carried away into the wilderness and taken care of by God.

This woman in Rev 17 sitting on a scarlet beast is a spiritual harlot as she entered into adulterous alliances with the leaders an kings of every nation around the world including America. Rev 18 describes all these worldly leaders and kings fornicated with her and will bewail her destruction. In her was found the blood of the prophets and the saints and all that were slain on earth.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It is a theory, but almost every part in error.
Much of these things are still future to us today, not history!
 
It is a theory, but almost every part in error.
Much of these things are still future to us today, not history!

No theory involved, but only scripture and history that foreshadows the future coming events foretold in scripture and the return of Christ who comes at the last day to make an end to all abominations casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:11-21; John 6:40.
 
"It was different from all the former beasts"

It is a rpolitical/religious movement that has consumed the entire biblical earth, apart from little Israel and the Jews trying to defend themself. Its alot bigger than the Roman Empire.

Its also the only movement that specifically targets and denies the death, ressurection, and deity of Christ.
 
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"It was different from all the former beasts"

It is a rpolitical/religious movement that has consumed the entire biblical earth, apart from little Israel and the Jews trying to defend themself. Its alot bigger than the Roman Empire.

Its also the only movement that specifically targets and denies the death, ressurection, and deity of Christ.

It's a Luciferian economic, political and religious system that works through this revived Empire as it's global and not localized as many will be deceived to bow down and worship this system taking its mark sealing their own fate of damnation.
 
The wickedness is and has been in the world for centuries, but many remain blinded to it until it sneaks up on them and they are consumed by it.
Many will not even notice when that happens.
Mat 25:44 “Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?"
 
Many will not even notice when that happens.
Mat 25:44 “Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?"

Not sure what this scripture has to do with the harlot and the beast, but you are right as many will not notice Satan's deceit. Many will receive the mark (whatever it is) of this beast out of the earth as they bow down and worship it as they have no knowledge of the harlot and the beast that have been deceiving people since the time of Nimrod.
 
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