Has God ever spoken verbally?

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  1. Traveling teacher

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    GOd is Spirit so He speaks to us through His Spirit to our spirit man......
    HE will,use many methods as written in the OT and NT.....

    HE usually speaks to me in visions in prayer as I will see
    Pictures of individuals or countries to pray for while in prayer...
    But soemtimes He will giv me a name or tell me to pray for a family member...

    It can be dificult to get direction from God at times....as it wqs for the sqints of old.....
    We must spend more time in prayer being sensitive to His Spirit.....

    Example
    Joshua heard the clear voice of God because he stayed long periods of time in
    The tabernacle qnd presence of God
    Exodus 33:11

    My house is a house of prayer says the Lord......
    Matthew 21:13
     
  2. K2CHRIST

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    God as a person, not a book, can speak to us while we read the OT or NT, or any other book or writing if He wants, Now, since we read about "Dull of hearing" and 'with their ears they barely hear" in the Bible, we might expect that someone might not pick up the voice of God well enough to understand that God is speaking to a person while they read their Bible and thus they might think the Bible is talking to them, but it is not the Bible. Also, Satan also quotes Scriptures. We read that in the Bible also. So we can't just think that reading the Bible is hearing from God.

    This is part of the reason that so many different teachings about the Bible occur. Not they we all have to agree exactly what each verse means, but we do need to hear the voice of the Lord and what He personally has to say to us. Remember that those who wrote those verses heard from Him. That is how they came about writing them. And Abraham didn't write any of them, though he heard the voice fo the Lord speaking to Him personally, and we are supposed to be offspring of Abraham, spiritually speaking. We need to hear the voice fo God!

    Still, I like most of your comments, Traveling Teacher! It is not always easy to clearly pick up what the Lord is saying to us, and practice hearing, like staying in His presence and listening to Him, does help!

    He once gave me a vision and talked to me about it. In the vision were two different sets of diagrams, one set above the other. There was a man talking and under it the word 'speaking'. Then a picture and under it the word 'vision'. Then a movie and under it the word 'dream'. Then a Bible and under it the word 'book'. And He started explaining the vision given to me. They were different ways to communicate. However He talked about which one way lead to a personal relationship, and the others didn't

    If you read a book someone writes, does that mean you know them personally? NO! If you watch a movie that someone makes, does that mean that you know them personally? NO. If you look at a painting that someone painted, does that mean you know them personally? NO. However if you go to lunch with a person and you talk to them about the book they wrote and the movie they made and the painting they painted, they would then have to be a liar to say they never knew you.

    Yet there are going to be people that tell Him on that day that they healed the sick, in His name, and cast out demons, in His name, and prophesied, in His name, and He is going to tell them He never knew them. What happened? How did they miss it? Where did they go wrong? And how bad was that mistake?

    Also the Lord talked about how Belshazzar saw the vision of a hand writing on a wal and saw the writing, but Daniel had the interpretation. Did the vision save Belshazzar or even give him understanding? NO. And Nebuchadnezzar got a dream, but Daniel had the interpretation. Did the dream save Nebuchadnezzar, or give him understanding? No. So it must have been the hearing the Lord that was important, or how else did Daniel interpret the dream, since both he and Nebuchadnezzar got the same dream. And Mina might mean 'numbered' but how did Daniel know it meant "God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it.

    In the same way you can read the Bible, but even the Bible tells you that understanding comes from His mouth. Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom, from His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

    And since His words are spirit and are life, bot understanding and salvation come from His voice not from the writing. You have to listen by faith, like Daniel, to receive what the Spirit has for you. Which of course, you to. According to what you wrote, you sometimes get a name or some instruction of understanding of the vision. Work on hearing, is my advice to you. The interpretation is important!
     
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    Forgive me if this has already been mentioned but God did speak audibly to Samuel.

    1 Now the boy Samuel ministered to the Lord before Eli. And the word of the Lord was rare in those days; there was no widespread revelation. 2 And it came to pass at that time, while Eli was lying down in his place, and when his eyes had begun to grow so dim that he could not see, 3 and before the lamp of God went out in the tabernacle[a] of the Lord where the ark of God was, and while Samuel was lying down, 4 that the Lord called Samuel. And he answered, “Here I am!” 5 So he ran to Eli and said, “Here I am, for you called me.”

    And he said, “I did not call; lie down again.” And he went and lay down.

    6 Then the Lord called yet again, “Samuel!”

    So Samuel arose and went to Eli, and said, “Here I am, for you called me.” He answered, “I did not call, my son; lie down again.” 7 (Now Samuel did not yet know the Lord, nor was the word of the Lord yet revealed to him.)

    8 And the Lord called Samuel again the third time. So he arose and went to Eli, and said, “Here I am, for you did call me.”

    Then Eli perceived that the Lord had called the boy. 9 Therefore Eli said to Samuel, “Go, lie down; and it shall be, if He calls you, that you must say, ‘Speak, Lord, for Your servant hears.’” So Samuel went and lay down in his place.

    10 Now the Lord came and stood and called as at other times, “Samuel! Samuel!”

    And Samuel answered, “Speak, for Your servant hears.”

    11 Then the Lord said to Samuel: “Behold, I will do something in Israel at which both ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. 12 In that day I will perform against Eli all that I have spoken concerning his house, from beginning to end. 13 For I have told him that I will judge his house forever for the iniquity which he knows, because his sons made themselves vile, and he did not restrain them. 14 And therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.”
     
  4. K2CHRIST

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    It really doesn't look like God spoke audibly to Samuel!!!

    How come Eli didn't hear it??
    How come Eli didn't get closer to Samuel to make sure he too would hear from God?
    In fact it really is a good case for Eli knowing that God did not speak audibly but by His Spirit.

    It is mentioned that the word from the Lord was rare in those days, but still rare is not never and Eli of any should have known how it worked. That is; God is spirit and we pick Him up by our spirit. Whether He indwells us or not, God is still spirit and not flesh so as to make sound waves.

    Sam 3:4 that the Lord called Samuel; and he said, "Here I am'". Then he ran to Eli

    So Samuel hears a voice calling his name. The first thing he does is cry out to Eli, because he thinks Eli was calling him. And he must have thought Eli was able to hear him or Samuel wouldn't have cried out, and he must have thought Eli was close enough to hear, or he wouldn't have thought it was Eli calling him, But Eli heard nothing.

    Because Eli is confused by the actions of the boy, and is asleep when the boy calls him, so he just tells the boy to go lie down again. This happens a couple of times before Eli finally figures out what is happening.

    Now if you are Eli, and you think the Lord voice is audible, are you not going to go get close to Samuel so as to hear the voice of God? It was a rare thing in those days. This would be a special event! You would try to get close enough to hear it, but Eli obviously knew better!! He should, he was the priest at that time.

    He is the problem. We Christians, who are suppose to be a priesthood, don't know like we should. And isn't that because hearing God's voice is to rare in these day also?

    We call it God still small voice, but it doesn't have to be still or small at all. God can control the impact He wants His voice to make!! That is not hard to understand. So He can shake you up with it, or cause you to have to listen close if you want to hear from Him. He normally does the later, because He wants you to listen for Him!

    People, we are so bad at listening for God it is amazing to think we are believers at all!

    God is always with us. And in these days we have forgiveness of sins because of the cross, so we didn't even have to have an Eli make sacrifices for us to be able to hear from Him. We don't have to have to sleep in the temple with the ark of God because we are the temple of God now, and we don't hear God calling our name.

    Sam 3:3 ... Samuel was lying down in the temple of the Lord where the ark of God was, that the Lord called "Samuel"

    We now are the temple and we lay down every night with the Lord and don't hear Him call our name?

    Everyday I hear Him call me by my name "Karl, ......" That is how He normally speaks to me. His Spirit speaks to my spirit and that is how is always happens! Sometimes it is louder that other times. I have heard it at time where I thought it sounded audile, but it is the same God speaking to me in the same way. His Holy Spirit speak to me, and so it is not sound waves but His words are spirit, and this is explained in the Bible.

    Yes, Jesus Christ took on flesh and walk around in the flesh and spoke via sound waves to people, but during Samuel's time He had not taken on flesh. He was still the Word of God at that time. He was still the Lord of lords at that time, but He had not taken on flesh so as to speak sound waves. And now He is risen. He is risen, indeed! So He has sent the comforter, His Holy Spirit who does not speak on His own initiative but as He hears He speaks. But He does speak, and if a spirit speaks it is not by using sound waves. But perhaps like Samuel, we do not at first understand what is happening??



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    Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    Gen_1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
    Gen_1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
    Gen_1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    Gen_1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    Gen_1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    Gen_1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
    Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Gen_1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
    Gen_1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
    Gen_2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    Gen_3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    Gen_3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
    Gen_3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
    Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    Gen_6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
    Gen_9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    Gen_9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
    Gen_17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
    Gen_17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
    Gen_17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
    Gen_20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
    Gen_21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    Gen_35:1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.
    Gen_35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
    Gen_35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
    Exo_3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
     
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    He was sleeping in another room.

    It wasn't until after the third time before Eli realized it was LORD. See vs 3:8.
    This is just my opinion but since Eli knew the LORD he would also know that if God wanted him to be in on the conversation, He would have made it known to him from the get go.

    We must remember of whom we are talking about. He is the Creator of all and I doubt it is not within His power to make sound waves whenever He wishes.

    Samuel did call out his name at first but Eli did not hear him so Samuel ran to him. See vs 3:5. This suggests that Samuel's calling out was not loud enough to wake Eli from where he was. God speaking even in normal tone to Samuel could very likely also not be heard by Eli since Samuel crying out was not heard by him.

    We must differ in our beliefs here because I believe Jesus made numerous appearances prior to His birth in Bethlehem. I believe He appeared in fleshly form and spoke to Abraham along with two angels, recorded in Genesis 18. I believe it was Jesus that wrestled and spoke with Jacob, recorded in Genesis 32. I believe it was Jesus that appeared and spoke to Joshua, recorded in Joshua 5. I believe it was Jesus that appeared and spoke to Hagar, recorded in Genesis 16.

    I believe God also spoke audibly to Moses from the burning bush, Exodus 3-4. I believe God spoke audibly to Abraham in the land of Moriah, recorded in Genesis 22.
     
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    This has gone past silly.
    John 12:28-30
    Voice came from heaven, not within. The people there heard it. Verse 29 shows people freaked out saying it was either thunder or an angel, both wrong. Jesus doesn't say "Father, glorify your name" to have an angel answer with "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again". In verse 30 Jesus says that the voice came for their sake, not His. The voice he said, not thunder.
     
  8. K2CHRIST

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    Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    Well, we know that voice was not a 'verbal' voice because there were not sound waves there.

    "So, in order for sound to travel, there has to be something with molecules for it to travel through. On Earth, sound travels to your ears by vibrating air molecules. In deep space, the large empty areas between stars and planets, there are no molecules to vibrate. There is no sound there."

    I pulled the above off the net reference - www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space.../1-is-there-sound-in-space.html


    The real point behind me asking the question was to show how we don't really understand that God is spirit and we hear Him with our spiritual ears. We are in this physical world and so we tend to automatically interpret events in our life in a physical sense. However, while we are in this world we are not supposed to be of this world. We miss this, and I believe it is our missing this that prevents so many people from seeking and hearing God by faith.

    So if I can show how we tend to think in a worldly, that is in an ' our world', sense the perhaps I can get more people using their spiritual senses. Everyone has spiritual ears, but not everyone using them!

    For example, in the sower or the seed parable everyone hear the word, which was the seed planted, but for most it was lost or didn't grow in them. And Jesus, at the beginning said something about how everyone that has ears to hear should use them. That was a bit of sarcasm on His part because they all did have ears to hear, but didn't realize it!

    You, every one of you that reads this post, have spiritual ears to hear. And we can pick up the same God that spoke things into existence today! So if "Today" you hear His voice. That too is a bit of sarcasm, because the Lord speaks, but not with sound waves which travel through the medium of air so as to be "audible" to us, but rather we also have spiritual ears to hear the same voice that spoke things into existence!

    So people might need healing. If the Lord says a word they will be healed, but what word are we talking about. It is a word that comes to us through the air via sound waves, or is it a word spoken to us via the Spirit of God to our spirit? We need to understand this, otherwise we are looking in the wrong place for God. We start thinking He is going to talk to us via sound waves.

    The happened to me. I didn't understand, The church had not made it clear to me, when my parents forced me to go to church. So God started coming into my life and I missed Him at first. I was going through a divorce and was planning a trip, to try and fix my marriage. Suddenly both my cars stopped working and I got this strange feeling, which I know for sure was God, but then I only suspected. Still, I suspected it might be God so I cried out loud and told God that if He has something to say I was listening. I said it very loud in the driveway of my house. And I did listen with my physical ears but didn't her a thing. That was how I heard everything, with my physical ears, but I heard nothing, and I told God so! What I didn't understand, and was not explained to me at church, was that God is spirit and He speaks to us via our spiritual ears. So I took the trip, and it had the opposite effect and sealed the divorce.

    He got through clearly to me a couple of months later with the words "Read Your Bible". Ok, if you do read your Bible, isn't it clear enough that God is spirit, and so speaks spiritual words? That's what it says. So how come we, "the church" did not make it clear? We are still going around talking about an audible voice, when God is spirit.
     
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    Do we not understand the heaven is a spiritual realm?

    Have we not read that the Kingdom of God is in our midst? Jesus explained that to His disciples before the resurrection.
     
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    Is the vernacular of God restricted to man’s skewed vision of sound waves, or any other science for that matter? Science can’t even figure out how to forecast the weather yet.

    What communication was in effect of the following scripture? Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. Is it possible our Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were mandated to follow man’s idea of speaking?
     
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    Is scientist's understanding of sound waves really so "skewed"?

    Fan 12:4 ...many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

    It is written that knowledge will increase, and sadly there are examples of Christianity doing bad things in the name of Christianity or even in the name of God, which is not the same and in the name of Christ., to men just trying to increase knowledge.

    On April 12, 1633 Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the Sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Would we still do things like that? Was that ordered by Jesus Christ? Were those "Christian leaders" hearing the audible, or even small, voice of God? Not from my experience talking to Him. It doesn't sound like Him at all. It sounds like Christian leaders leaning on their own understanding, because with their spiritual ears they were not hearing.

    Often, it's been the Christian leaders who have been shown to have "skewed vision"!

    I don't think there were many scientist in the crowd that wanted Jesus Crucified, but the Priest was there encouraging the crowd.

    And it is not so hard to see and understand about hearing in the Spirit by faith if you are indeed hearing from the Lord. I often work with other Christians who hear from the Lord and get a word from Him. and never has anyone else in the room heard the word they got!! It seems obvious that God speaks spiritual words that we hear inside us! And it is written that the Kingdom of God is in our midst, and something from Moses and Paul about the word being in our heart. Yet sound waves always come to my ears, not my heart!

    Jn 6:63 It is the Spirit who give life; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit,,,

    You don't think Jesus was lying do you?
     
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    I’ll end with this, and that is that the words of God has the effect of giving life through the Holy Spirit to those who hear whether they are written or spoken. We were even given the measure of faith to believe. Rom 12:3.
    Thanks.
     
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    My sheep hear my voice.....
    John 10:27

    Eli cudnt hear Gods voice because God wasnt speaking to Him
    Eli was in sin because he didnt correct his sons......as they were committing fornication
    At the tabernacle......
    1 samuel 1:22
    Sin separates us from God
    Isaiah 59:2

    I have never heard Gods voice in my physical ears.....
    But yes we should be hearing Gods directions in our spirit man by faith........
    Wo faith you cannot please God
    Hebrews 11:6

    This can only be done through prolong times of prayer and listening to God.......
    And obeying Him on a daily basis.....

    JEsus would withdraw for hours in prayer to hear the voice and direction
    Of God for His life....
    Luke 5:16
     
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    That certainly was often the case before the cross! There had to be sacrifices, but Jesus took care of that problem and became the sacrifice, so in Rev we read where Jesus said, "If anyone" and in "anyone" hears His voice and opens the door. So now sin might make it harder for us to seek the Lord, but we have forgiveness of sins so God will talk and does indeed stand at the door knocking with His voice so that again, "Anyone" can choose to open the door to Him. That is awesome, that God's forgiveness makes it possible for anyone to pick up a conversation with Him, by faith. Sin does still make us fell like it might not be possible, but it doesn't, it just makes it hard for us to believe that God would talk to us. He will; and that is the message we are supposed to be preaching!!

    Yes, Yes, and OH YES!

    God's words are spirit, not sound waves. So someone might get confused when they hear from the Lord and think, if His voice is very clear, that they heard sound waves. That is ok, because it is the hearing that's important. Still we should have understanding, otherwise we might start giving people the impression that they sound be hearing sound waves, as in an audible voice. No, they need to be looking to hear from God in our spirit; that is the word of God is on our lips and on our heart, and that is the word of faith we are preaching. Not sound waves!!

    This is wrong. It is done by faith, not by prolong times of prayer. Of course if you faith is that it has to happen by prolong times of prayer, then that is the faith you have. Better spend those long times in prayer. But the Scriptures explain God is not slow to answer like you think! So out thinking if often wrong.

    Logically, if God is always with you then He can always answer you, just like any other person that is always with you. But again we something think (believe) it is going to take a long time to hear from Him. One of the reason I post so much about this is because of that thinking, that God is slow to answer.

    Now I too sometimes find times when it seem hard to hear from the Lord, and I told Him that flat out once! And instantly He reproved me and told me that it is easy to hear from Him, but sometimes hard to believe that.

    You know, He is always right. It is in fact easy to hear from Him, but sometimes hard to believe that. Because of that I have found little ways that help me to believe. One way is to change what I am asking Him about to something I can easily believe. And I use this often in the healing ministry He has me working in.

    For example, we often get people coming in and wanting God to answer a life changing question, like can they be healed by God. It's personal, and it is a very big and important question for them. So I change the question and have them seek and ask God for how He feels about them. And almost always the person will hear God tell them He loves them in some way or another. God is obviously very creative, and with His response. So in that way I get communication going between them and the Lord. And we can move on and get an answer about Him being willing to heal them. And they can hear that now because they heard Him tell them His loves them. Knowing the first helps believing for the other.

    And there are other ways that I have learned, from being in ministry, that also helps people hear from God. Leading them through forgiveness is often very important for them being able to hear from the Lord. It is not that He will not talk to them, but when they are not forgiving others, they know it in their spirit, and a belief is established inside them, that God will not forgive them either. But He did! They just need to forgive others so they can believe that He did.

    So if you care to believe, or even logically think about it, it does not take a long time in prayer to hear from Him. It just takes faith! That is a belief that He really is there, that He really does love you, that He is standing at the door and knocking with His voice just so that you might open up to Him so you and Him can talk!
     
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    We can understand that just fine. Do we understand that the spiritual gets to interact with the physical and that even non-believers get to see?

    The Kingdom of God descriptor is in Romans 14:17. I can see you wanting to expand that to the "heaven" from the scripture I posted to make it all fit. But for the sake of the idea that you are toying with, it would probably be disingenuous.

    In Exodus 33:11 it says face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. This scripture, along with others posted, have to have words cut out of them in order to make the whole non-verbal idea fit.
     
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    K2, you are no more and no less guilty than others of doing this thing that you aught not do. I'm using your quote as an example. I hope you and others take heed.

    Do not suggest what you are suggesting with this comment. It should be assumed until it is said otherwise that other people believe scripture every bit as much as you do in spite of having a different interpretation. At times the scripture can be interpreted differently, and it might be that scripture as a whole says something different to them. It is not only intellectually dishonest to resort to this kind of statement; it is destructive.

    This is why our Terms of Service gets to read like a full length novel. Rules have to be added to prohibit things that we should know not to say without being told. It might be that we have another rule to add, and then the ToS gets even longer.
     
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    I agree with you. I think you might be over-thinking the sound waves and spirit thing though. Those who God wants to hear Him, will, and those He doesn't want to hear, wont.

    The faith. Yhe belief that God hears (and will speak!) is the thing. We can have sin in our life and this will make us believe that He will not talk to us, so we tend to stop praying or pray less beause of it. We should repent of our sin and obey and pray even more. He hears.He will answer you. He will answer you in His way, in His time. One time, I prayed with a question...I got no answer. For days and maybe a week or two I prayed about this question (I forget what it was), and I couldn't get an answer from Him. Then one day, I was doing something unrelated...and picked up my Bible and flipped it open for something or other...but where it flipped open to, my answer to my question that I had been praying about (and not getting an answer) was right there in front of my eyes...

    He didn't want to speak to me to answer that question, He wanted me to read the answer in His Word.
     
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    I don't think it has been proven that space is totally devoid of everything. There are various particles throughout the cosmos. In fact, in northern MN in a former underground mining facility near the city of Soudan, MN there was a physics laboratory that measured particle impact with the earth. NASA has actually measured sound in space. We just can't hear it with our own ears. I'd guess most likely because the frequency is beyond our range either above or below.
     
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    Yeah, there is a lot scientist are working on, And in the process they are going back and forth on things, but still knowledge increases. That is what God said would happen.

    Dan 12:4 ...many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.

    Of course that is not the issued here. The issue being presented is that God is spirit and so His voice is a spiritual voice not a physical voice. So perhaps there is something in space, but is space as we know it the spiritual realm? Sound waves we do know about. We hear them with our physical ears, but it is written that with their ears they don't hear. So it is not our physical ears being referred to! And we hear what we call a small voice, because God typically comes across to those that do hear as a small voice inside them. That is certainly not sound waves! It is God speaking.

    Yet we preach as if people should hear from the Lord via a sound wave. How silly is that. Even if there is something in space and perhaps some day the men going back and forth who increase knowledge, like God said would happen, find that perhaps there was some exception and in places sound waves are found in space, that does not change that God is spirit! What was there when He His first spoke and started creating?

    The issue is that we really don't have a good understanding that God is spirit and we have to look for Him speaking in that manor. It is the "God is near you, on your lips and in your heart" issues that both Moses, in the Old Testament, and Paul "In the New Testament" were trying to get at. It is still an issue today. The people of God don't hear as they should, so Moses and Paul tried to explain that the Word is near you, in your heart and on your mouth, not in your physical ears!!

    We are in the physical world, and are so into ourselves that we do not even understand about seeking and finding God. Perhaps we pick Him up here and there. And perhaps we go back and forth getting knowledge. But God is Spirit and speaks to our spirit not our ears! So if a person hear what they thought was a audible voice, it was not an audible voice. It was just that God had a purpose for coming across very loud to them. It probably was because they were not listening and seeking His small voice like they should.

    Why did God speak with such an impact to Saul on the road. Why did His voice come across as thunder to His people that Moses was bring through the desert? And for me, it was the first words that I heard from God that shook me up too. They were loud, but since then we talk and He does come across like that. It's that small loving voice, at least most all the time. I have heard Him pretty clear a couple of times when He was righteously angry about some Christians suing in the courts of the world, other Christians. I'm gald He was only talking to me about it and that I was not one of those Christians doing that. Anyway, God has His purposes. And the Lord speaks. We need to seek His voice and listen, and don't expect that it is going to be audible.

    There is a good chance that if you do hear it so that it comes across as audible, it He came across that was because you were not seeking Him. There could be other reasons also. I'm not trying to put Him a box. Samuel seemed to think it was audible when he first head, but it was just that he didn't understand yet because it was the first time. Still, it was not audible. Eli knew that much. We should know that much too.
     
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    In your argument, which I quoted, you presented that sound doesn't travel through space and I replied with evidence to the contrary.
     

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