Health and colds ?

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  1. I'M Grams

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    I am living with my son and daughter in law and there 8 children.....
    And this time of the year starts the colds!

    All ready 3 of the children have a cold, and more getting the start.

    Cant understand how they get them? Since they eat fruit and vegetables like other children
    eat candy. Even more so.
    Well, I take my vitamins and I take C extra , but nothing seems to help.........

    Any ideas at all please ! Thanks' I don't have the cold yet , but sure its on its way ! !
     
  2. Christ_empowered

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    hi, I'M Grams. Sorry about this. I don't know how or why kids get colds and such so frequently, especially healthy, well-nourished children like your grandchildren...but, yeah; it seems to be a part of childhood, doesn't it?

    I personally do a form of "alternative health" known as Orthomolecular. A form of it was semi-popular for a while because of Linus Pauling, who was all about fairly massive doses of vitamin C for maintenance of good health and the prevention of disease.

    The version I do pre-dates Linus Pauling. Its from the 50s, and it was started by a Canadian psychiatrist, Dr.Abram Hoffer. He put together vitamin cocktails to help people with Schizophrenia, often along with shock treatments and/or tranquilizers. These days, most more "severely mentally ill" people who try Orthomolecular do it alongside tranquilizers, which is what I've been doing. I'm down to --1-- psych drug daily, a newer ("atypical") tranquilizer at a moderate dose. Keep in mind; I was definitely state mental hospital material for a long time there, and now I'm lucid, stable, moving forward, etc., in part because of the supplements (I think, anyway).

    Orthomolecular these days covers a lot of ground, from what I do (which was originally called "Mega-Vitamin Therapy for The Schizophrenias") to massive dose injections and infusions of vitamin C, as an add-on treatment for those undergoing chemotherapy for cancer.

    For simply boosting immunity and (hopefully...) preventing colds, reducing the intensity of a cold, etc., high dose C seems to be fairly standard. Personally, as part of my "line up," I take 20 grams of vitamin C per day. I use the time-release version, so I take 10 grams in the morning and another 10 grams in the evening. By using the time-release, I seem to be able to get all the benefits from the vitamin C in only 2 doses, versus the 4-5 doses old school Orthomolecular experts recommended using either the normal release tablets or the crystals, powder, etc.

    But...yeah...lots of vitamin C, on a regular basis, is supposed to be very beneficial. I think some Orthomolecular people also use zinc in their programs. I take a zinc and copper pill everyday (if one supplements zinc, its a good idea to take in some extra copper, as well...), with a meal. Selenium also seems to help the immune system, and selenium is included in a number of Orthomolecular protocols.

    adding in vitamin E helps some people, too. Personally, I go for a high dose (1,000 IU) of the natural form vitamin E, with mixed tocopherols. That form of vitamin E is--at the molecular level--what one gets from diet, but at a much higher dosage. I take mine with a high fat meal, to ensure proper absorption.

    other than that...I don't have many major suggestions. Sorry about that. For a while there, I added in alpha lipoic acid on top of my Orthomolecular protocol. Alpha lipoic acid is a potent antioxidant in its own right, and it also helps "recycle" other antioxidants. I always took mine with food, to prevent stomach irritation.

    I'm not trying to push this on you, but I do think the Orthomolecular supplementation has helped me a good bit with all aspects of my health, physical and mental. here's a link for some free information, if you're interested: www.doctoryourself.com

    have a good one. :)
     
  3. tim-from-pa

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    There's lots of things you can try and it sounds like you are on the right track already. Like Christ empowered, I take many vitamins, too. I don't do orthomolecular, but I take many times the RDA of most things. There's folks out there who take these do-nothing vitamins like Centrum A-Zinc, and maybe add one or two more for good measure, and erroneously believe they are getting everything. Not so. I find I take my vitamins like the alphabet and individually and believe it or not is still cost effective.

    Don't overlook attitude -- if you think you'll get a cold you just might. There's power in words and belief and so many (so-called) Christians are in bondage believing the doctors instead of the bible. I'm almost 60 and I hardly ever go and can careless about my blood work. Most of the things they treat are what I call "numbers maladies" which are made up and set to an impossibly low standard so they can sell the drugs. These same things can actually undo a lot of the vitamins one takes and what's the point? As Jesus would say, it does not add one cubit (of time) to your life. They try to medicate men over 50 as a "preventative" when no drug can prevent to save lives. It only keep one sick and poor, and a poor witness to the cause of Christ.

    Then there's good old fashioned fresh water (take it easy so as not to wash out your minerals, however) and air and a walk in the park or woods. Don't forget the sunshine for vitamin D. Don't burn yourself but enough to get a bit red is enough. However, this time of year the solar altitude is too low for it to do much good -- 50 degrees elevation or greater is what you need to make vitamin D. With adequate D, you'll not only protect against colds, but its more effective than the flu shot.

    Lastly, (natural) saturated fats (e.g. meats) are not bad, salt is not bad, even cholesterol is not bad, and also omega 3 fatty acids. I actually classify them in the same category as getting plenty of vitamins. The problem people have with illness and chronic conditions is they are told to stay away from "bad" fats and salts and they severely limit these beneficial nutrients and choose some "healthy" processed foods such as margarine or low fat foods. One of the most lame-brained thing was to separate the egg yolks from the albumen but they are starting to see the error of their ways but they always have people restrict the most nourishing part of the food in favor of something artificial and a substitute. That's why they are sick. Why believe these self-proclaimed experts here today and gone tomorrow? We know the advice will change -- biblical eating never does.

    Fruits and vegetables are good, but we are omnivorous so get fats, too. I seen so many people, including my wife with salt deficiencies. I don't know why they push for low salt diets-- it can kill you or at least make you sick.

    I can go on an on, but that's a start for the topic at hand.
     
  4. Nick

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    Not sure why this is in Current Events & Politics. Moved to Health & Nutrition.
     
  5. I'M Grams

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    Well I do eat good...... And always take V. C's..... when its the cold season I take more. I also take regular vitm.
    and 6 other vitm. and when the colds are around, I take a V. c 500 mg. with each meal.
     
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    School is back. Believe it or not people nowadays send their kids to school knowing full well that they are ill. Eating healthy doesn't ever seem to stave off the viruses running around in that environment.
     
  7. Eugene

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    It's possible she feels that her present cold is current events concerning her distress?
    My special advice is biblical in an out of context remedy or therapy.

    Talk about fish out of water ? ? ? Doctors? Vitamins? Just cough, wipe your runny nose, and go on!
    Mat 16:8 . . when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith . . .
    Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink . .
    Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

    In jest, if this fails:
    2 Sam 17:23 Ahithophel . . . hanged himself . .
    Luk 10:37 . . Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

    Blessings in Christ Jesus Sister I'M Grams. :)


     
  8. I'M Grams

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    Thanks' ALL.............

    So far I am lucky........ the cold went around and I just got a short quick easy one.... I did get a cold sore instead I guess.
    It must be different living here for me then when we came to visit years before.......
    Hope this will keep up since the season just started ! :biggrin2
     
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    Children get colds in the school system, where they are closely packed with sick students. Eating vegetables won't change this. Exposure to mild germs may actually be healthy for the young, as it primes their immune systems with lots of anti bodies to keep them healthy later. However, colds are not good for the elderly, whose immune systems are slowing down. Get a flu shot, but they are only 50% effective against the flu, and do nothing for bacteria. Pneumonia vaccines are available for the elderly also. Using separate dishes can help, as many germs sit on plates after washing. Unless you use a strong disinfectant like restaurants do. Wash hands for at least 30 seconds with soap before eating or touching your face. Not much you can do about airborne germs, unless you wear a hospital type mask when someone has a cold.
     
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  10. I'M Grams

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    Well , one thing , the children are home schooled, so that was of help to us all...
    But now the older children are out working some what.......... so they can bring the germs to us......
    That's life I guess ! :neutral:shrug 8 children ............:shock:confused2:confused:hug:amen
     
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