History important

Discussion in 'Christian / Church Histories' started by K2CHRIST, Jul 6, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. turnorburn

    turnorburn Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2007
    Messages:
    8,641
    Location:
    In His Service
    That's kind a what I've been hearing Bill but has anyone "here" actually been there to see if these accusations are legitimate?
     
  2. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2010
    Messages:
    14,826
    Location:
    SE Texas
    Christian:
    Yes
    Not any I know but WBC has been to Houston to demonstrate at the burial of a Veteran some years back and people I trust have been and tell awful stories about them.
     
  3. turnorburn

    turnorburn Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2007
    Messages:
    8,641
    Location:
    In His Service
    Early in my walk my wife asked me to attend a church service in a small community to prove that my thoughts about her church were false. Much to her chagrin my thoughts were confirmed by everything that transpired in that service.. That's why i asked if anyone had been there..
     
  4. reba

    reba Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2010
    Messages:
    45,855
    Location:
    State of Jefferson
    Christian:
    Yes
    BACK to topic... dont make me sorry i answered Rollo :hips
     
  5. civilwarbuff

    civilwarbuff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,733
    It would be like going through the gates of Hell........
     
  6. Jim Parker

    Jim Parker Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2015
    Messages:
    8,543
    Location:
    Right here, right now
    Christian:
    Yes
    Rather than me attempting to speculate on what you gleaned from those scriptures, please state clearly your definition of the Gospel.
     
  7. Jim Parker

    Jim Parker Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2015
    Messages:
    8,543
    Location:
    Right here, right now
    Christian:
    Yes
    Jesus saves from what?
    How does Jesus Save?
    What must I do to be saved?
    The answers to these and other questions are part of the Gospel.
    Anyone can say that.
    Jesus even addressed that view, “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?"( Luk 6:46 NIV)
    Really??
    How about the churches that preach the "Gospel" that says Jesus came, died and rose again so you could be rich and live like kings?
    How about churches that have in their of their foundational doctrines "What wrong with Catholics and why you should hat them."?
    How about churches that teach that God hates homosexuals?
    These are glaring differences in the "gospels" that churches preach each claiming to be right. (Which means everyone else must be wrong.)

    Meanwhile, in the USA, where the Gospel is preached 24/7 over multiple radio and TV channels, it is legal to murder you infant before he/she takes his/her first breath (over a million murders per year) and homosexual relationships have been given the same status as Christian marriage. (Some "Churches" marry homosexuals. Does that matter?) And we just had an election in which half the country voted for a lying, corrupt to the point of murder, politician named Hilary.

    It seems that the church is having very little effect on the country.
     
  8. civilwarbuff

    civilwarbuff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,733
    I have never attended a church like that......anyone here have?
    2 Thes 2:3
    3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the rebellion takes place first and the man of sin, who is destined for destruction, is revealed. (ISV)
    Why should that surprise any Christian who is watching; the Church's influence will certainly wane as the end of days approaches.....
     
  9. OzSpen

    OzSpen Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    3,525
    Location:
    Brisbane, Qld, Australia
    Christian:
    Yes
    civil,

    History is important, especially when we are examining how many denominations there are.

    Here is a list of denominations around the world prepared by Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary. GCTS has a research dept. dealing with denominations. Count the denominations (in that link) and they do not number anywhere near 33,000. This is another assessment: The Facts and Stats on "33,000 Denominations"

    Got Questions made this assessment:

    The “30,000 Protestant denominations” argument fails on several points. First, there are not 30,000 Protestant denominations. Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are nowhere close to 30,000 Protestant denominations. The only way to get even remotely close to the 30,000 figure is to count every minor separation as an entirely different denomination. Further, the vast majority of Protestant Christians belong to just a handful of the most common Protestant denominations; i.e., Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, etc. Yes, it is undeniably sad that there are so many denominations, but the 30,000 Protestant denominations argument is an extreme exaggeration of the reality of the divisions within Protestantism.​

    Oz



     
    civilwarbuff likes this.
  10. civilwarbuff

    civilwarbuff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,733
    Very interesting.....
    I guess the short version is 33,000 Protestant denom is just a pile of buffalo chips......
     
    Pegasus likes this.
  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,116
    Location:
    Texas
    My post did not clarify? Then stick with the Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15 passages.
     
    civilwarbuff likes this.
  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,116
    Location:
    Texas
    I believe my post clarified all of the above.
     
    civilwarbuff likes this.
  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,116
    Location:
    Texas
    You post over at CF.com too?
     
  14. reba

    reba Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2010
    Messages:
    45,855
    Location:
    State of Jefferson
    Christian:
    Yes
    Going out on a limb to open this forum... I will not allow the battles... to close it... Stating ones points, Repeating ones points are not the same thing this is the only warning anyone will have ... I will use the read only function on any more battles.. Any of you are welcome to state your understanding of CHURCH HISTORIES repeating them thinking you will push your point will end up in read only .



    A hard line of moderating will be in effect..
    1.3: If you feel that any action taken was unfair, it can be appealed. To appeal an action taken against you by CF.net staff, you are advised to start a new thread in the ‘Talk With the Staff’ forum area. Threads in this forum are viewable only by the person initiating the thread and CF.net staff. In this private venue, anyone on the CF.net staff may respond, and the OP can address his/her concerns with regard to the action taken. This forum is intended only for appeals to actions by CF.net staff. TWTS area may also be used, according to Staff discretion, for other expedient purpose of communication. If a member agrees or disagrees with a Moderator's decision, they are not to make their opinion public.

    1.4: Christianforums.net reserves the right to respond to the violation of any of the ToS with any of the responses available to our Leadership at its sole discretion. Furthermore, any action taken against offenders and their status within the community is considered private and confidential and will not be shared with the public. Christianforums.net also reserves the right to remove any content which is considered to be disruptive to the Community, at the sole discretion of christianforums.net Leadership.
     
  15. Papa Zoom

    Papa Zoom Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    7,380
    Location:
    Pacific Northwest
    I think my post was off topic and so for that reason I'm going to stop here. ;)
     
  16. OzSpen

    OzSpen Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    3,525
    Location:
    Brisbane, Qld, Australia
    Christian:
    Yes
    What has that to do with the price of eggs?
     
  17. OzSpen

    OzSpen Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    3,525
    Location:
    Brisbane, Qld, Australia
    Christian:
    Yes
    Perhaps the 33,000 consists of main logs and shoots (church plants) across nations while the smaller number refers to the logs.
     
  18. K2CHRIST

    K2CHRIST Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2016
    Messages:
    759
    Just a few comments. The Bible does have history in it and a lot more. So we could try and say that teaching from the Bible is teaching Christian history, but since the end of the Bible was the start of Christianity as a religion, we can't really say that with much conviction. The Bible is really more about Jewish history, which since we are grafted into the Jewish root is important, but shouldn't we know a bit more. And besides, God didn't stop working. So we should know a bit more and even have it coming from the podiums also.

    So let me just point out a couple of things about what you wrote. The bible most protestants use today has 66 not 69 books. The Bible the Catholics Christians use has 73 books, which is exactly 7 books difference. That is because the use some of what we call the Apocrypha. And most of the time between the time Christ was crucified until now, the Catholic church was probably the largest group of Christians and certainly the most prominent. That means 73 books were used most of the time by the largest group of Christians. That version of the Bible was know as the Vulgate and was a translation made by Jerome in the late fourth century, It was a translation into Latin, which I think was the language used in Rome at that time.

    The Bible translation started long before the 16th and 17th centuries. And that into 73 books of Latin. The printing press happened in the late 15th century, which also was about the time of Martin Luther and the beginning of the Protestant movement. The Gutenberg Bible was printed (by press) in 1456 and Martin Luther lived from 1483 to 1549. So just after the Gutenberg Bible was printed. (So how many books did the Gutenberg Bible have printed in it, 66 or 73?)

    So if well educated Christina, even from Texas, have a little trouble with the number of books in there Bible and with a basic history of the Bible, then how well are we covering Christian history really?

    And there is so much more to Christian history than just a couple of little facts about how we got our Bible, So if we do a poor job of relating that information, who much are we really missing other very important information. In the Bible we see a people (the Isrealites) and how they once were shown God and fell badly away from Him. They had been told to past on the history and testimony of God, but they fell away. So how are we doing in this same area?

    I think we do a very poor job of passing along Christian history! And I think it is important! It's a testimony of the working of God, because God has also been working, as Jesus explained:

    But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” (Jn 5:17)
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2016
  19. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,116
    Location:
    Texas
    Ostrich eggs or another form of poultry?
     
  20. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2010
    Messages:
    14,826
    Location:
    SE Texas
    Christian:
    Yes
    Okay, Let me agree 39+27 is 66 but I'll give a bit of history you probably do not have, not for sympathy, rather that you might know. Until, I think it was, '05 I taught the Grumpy Old Men's class. But when I fell off the Ladder welded to my fuel tank, they would not let me drive any more.

    They ran me through a series of tests and an MRI. On the MRI in '05 they found 64 lesions and put me on Interfearon because some unknown combination of Agent
    Orange, Agent Blue, and Agent /white has caused me to have MS. So it is that my mind and sadly, my body, are not what they should be, I was wrong on the number of books.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page