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HIV does not, in fact, exist. The so-called human immunodeficiency virus, HIV, is only an "externalization", to absolve the AIDS patient of responsibility for his/her disease.

Anyone doubting this should consider that HIV has never even been isolated. This simple and amazing fact in itself should make everyone suspicious about the entire AIDS industry.

When someone "tests positive" for HIV, they actually test positive for reverse transcriptase enzyme activity which is assumed to indicate the presence of HIV in the patient. There is in fact a total lack of evidence for the existence of HIV.

At the time, everyone was in a mad rush to find the "cause" of AIDS. Those who came up with something first would be assured of endless research funds, fame etc. The homosexual lobby seized on the first announcement to claim a viral cause, since then it would no longer be their own fault. It's always easier to blame a "virus" than one's own misbehavior.

Rom. 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Some Quotes on the Non-Existence of HIV:

"Kary Mullis, Nobel laureate in chemistry 1993 and inventor of the polymerase chain reaction, needed a reference for "the generally known fact" that HIV was the cause of AIDS. While working on a project he became aware that he didn´t know a scientific reference for the statement he had just written down: HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. So he asked the next virologist at the table after that basic paper. The virologist told Mullis, he wouldn´t need a reference in this case; after all, everyone knows that HIV leads to AIDS. Kary Mullis disagreed and thought such an important discovery should be published in some paper. He learnt soon that it was impossible to find such a paper." Claus Kohnlein.

"Whenever and wherever reverse transcriptase activity was detected it was rashly assumed that retroviruses were at work. This turned out to be a grave error, because it was later found that the enzyme occurred in all living matter, proving that reverse transcriptase activity had nothing to do with retroviruses per se.......It is incomprehensible that Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, a member of Montagnier's group, as well as Gallo's group itself in 1984, claimed to have discovered a new virus, when all they did was to demonstrate reverse transcriptase activity, and to publish photographs of cellular particles without proof that they were viruses. They could neither isolate them nor show that they were responsible for creating the observed reverse transcriptase activity nor the tissue abnormalities from which they were obtained. They concluded: "the role of the virus in the aetiology of AIDS remains to be determined". Stefan Lanka.

http://www.whale.to/a/hivfraud.html
 
Arrgh! That shouldn't have happened, haha...

You caught me, i was surfing some "other" websites as well at the time when i wrote the reply, and somehow i copy and pasted the wrong link. I have no idea how that made it into my clipboard.

My bad...apologies. The link didn't work anyway though, fortunately.

*hands over a cold beer..."you haven't seen anything"*
 
Ha ha ha ha! Too funny. :lol:

I remember watching some report on internet crime. The TV reporter opened a laptop to go to a website. As he started to download, recent downloads showed up and one had a very pornographic name. I bet he had a hard time living that one down.
 
Which all just goes to help prove the point. AIDS is caused by immoral behavior, not by a virus.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Any new effort to isolate the virus is merely one more in a long line of fraudulent, or at best highly optimistic attempts to prop up the whole crumbling edifice of the AIDS industry. There are careers, research grants and pharmaceutical profits at stake, after all - what could possibly be more important?

In any case, in order to establish the nature of a disease and the possible cure, all this sort of basic lab work should have been completed BEFORE developing anti-retroviral drugs like AZT and further poisoning sufferers. Or is it simply that drug profits come FIRST?

AIDS is an immune deficiency. It is caused, in part, by immune "burn-out" brought on by excessive erroneous intake of seminal fluid.

A list of hundreds of doctors' names asking for a complete reappraisal of HIV/AIDS is here.

There are many pages of relevant AIDS quotes here


"For the last several years I have been reviewing the evidence that HIV causes AIDS. I have read countless papers and books. After all of this I still say — where is the evidence? ... This affliction [AIDS], more than any other, highlights the power of the corporate world to hijack science and replace it with nonsense for monetary gain. It is a sad state of affairs and frightening to say the least. Makes you wonder what other corporate goblins have been created and where they are hiding."

- Mark Bartlett, Microbiology Technologist, Communicable Disease Investigator, Toronto, Canada

"My medical studies led me to believe that AIDS was devastating [Africa] and the people who showed me the situation here reinforced this belief. I jumped into this, and made others believe it. And now I know it was not true. But I know many more things that were not true. Nothing was true.... We have been shown false orphans since the beginning—children who have parents who never died, but who will not show up any more…Families just bring them as orphans, and if you ask how the parents died they will say AIDS. It is fashionable nowadays to say that, because it brings money and support."

"If you say your father has died in a car accident it is bad luck, but if he has died from AIDS there is an agency to help you. The local people have seen so many agencies coming…that they want to join this group of victims. Everybody claims to be a victim of AIDS nowadays. And local people working for AIDS agencies have become rich. They have built homes in Dar es Salaam, they have their motorbikes; they have benefited a lot."

"It is very easy to "do good" in Africa. It is so disorganised that the one who is doing the good is also the one reporting the good he is doing. So it is a perfect field for charity—the fake charity which is 99% of the charity in Africa—charity which benefits the benefactors."

- Philippe Krynen, former director, Partage Tanzania, French Aids charity.
 
disruptor said:
Which all just goes to help prove the point. AIDS is caused by immoral behavior, not by a virus.
I guess this explains why 4 million children have been infected with AIDs since 1980. If only kids would learn not to be immoral, they would never have contracted the disease. Plus all them Africans have aids. They must surely be immoral. Why they have a higher AIDS rate than seen in prison! So the Africans must be more evil than American criminals.

Maybe Fred Phelps has some extra "Thank God for AIDS" T-Shirts available.

Why even try to stop the disease? After all if it is from God, it would be immoral to try to fight the will of God.
 
Arrgh! That shouldn't have happened, haha...

Not a problem, man. :-D

Plus all them Africans have aids. They must surely be immoral.

Well, that I might agree with in part. All I know is what I've been told. What I've been told is that Africans who are impoverished, which a good deal of them are, must resort to prostitution to earn a living. It's happened in the past before I would think.

It is caused, in part, by immune "burn-out" brought on by excessive erroneous intake of seminal fluid.

How much is excessive and how would men take in this seminal fluid? How does it burn out the immune system? Does a woman's immune system attack seminal fluid as it enters her body? If not, then does a man's immune system attack foreign seminal fluid as it enters his body?

I remember hearing that the semin of two males, if mixed attack each other. Is this true? If so, what implications could this have?

How would you account for children born with a deficiency in their immune system? How would people contract this deficiency if it is not caused by a virus? When I first became diabetic, I had to laugh when my younger bro felt it necessary not to come too close to me lest he should contract diabetes. ;)

As he started to download, recent downloads showed up and one had a very pornographic name.

Ouch. :lol:
 
Any new effort to isolate the virus is merely one more in a long line of fraudulent, or at best highly optimistic attempts to prop up the whole crumbling edifice of the AIDS industry. There are careers, research grants and pharmaceutical profits at stake, after all - what could possibly be more important?
And that article refutes the isolation how? It's from a peer reviewed journal - peer review by people who don't all work for companies which earn money with HIV related products.
 
Aids is the result of sin.

It strange that there has yet to be a case where some loser that sits at home all day watching porn has got AIDs yet many wifes get AIDS from their infected husband. Watch out guys! Sin is contagious!

But seriously, I really like this idea. It is like a big sign that tells us who the worse sinners are. Africans have the highest percentage of AIDS. They must generally be horrible sinners! Makes you wonder why God even made them.

This is a stupid argument... Yes, you are right, why did I waste my time on this topic.
 
Packrat wrote:

How much is excessive and how would men take in this seminal fluid? How does it burn out the immune system? Does a woman's immune system attack seminal fluid as it enters her body? If not, then does a man's immune system attack foreign seminal fluid as it enters his body?

I was hoping we wouldn't have to get into the details of it but since you insist:

Obviously sperm in the vagina does not trigger an immune response. Nor does swallowed sperm (since the sperms are rapidly killed by the digestive juices). Immune responses are only triggered by sperm in the bloodstream.

Since the fragile skin of the rectum is damaged by anal sex allowing seminal fluid to "bleed through" into the bloodstream, rectal sperm intake does trigger immune responses. The immune system can't tell the difference between sperm cells and other micro-organisms in the bloodstream. This even explains why Kaposi's Sarcoma of the lower back region is the first sign of full-blown AIDS.

HeWillReturn said:

Africans have the highest percentage of AIDS. They must generally be horrible sinners! Makes you wonder why God even made them. ...This is a stupid argument... Yes, you are right, why did I waste my time on this topic.

F.Y.I, there are plenty of sinners in Africa:

So these African children don't actually have HIV. They have immune deficiencies caused by immune burn-out resulting from malnutrition, disease, under-age sex and rape (which is widespread and common in sub-Saharan Africa). Children's immune systems are far less robust than those of adults.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/7221.html
 
Since the fragile skin of the rectum is damaged by anal sex allowing seminal fluid to "bleed through" into the bloodstream, rectal sperm intake does trigger immune responses. The immune system can't tell the difference between sperm cells and other micro-organisms in the bloodstream. This even explains why Kaposi's Sarcoma of the lower back region is the first sign of full-blown AIDS.
And why does it take years to develop these symptoms if it's supposed to be an immune reaction? How can these cells even survive that long?

And i note that you didn't say anything about the isolation of HIV anymore.

Obviously sperm in the vagina does not trigger an immune response.
Obviously? Then why do people who are allergic to latex react very quickly to condoms?
 
I was hoping we wouldn't have to get into the details of it but since you insist:

:-D Unless we get into the details, we're always going to end with no conclusions. No conclusions mean no truth. No truth means evil doubt. :tongueuppydogeyes: I sometimes want to just wing things well enough to get a grasp of it, but if people are to know Christ, they sometimes need more than blind faith in one's testimony.
 
Wow, just wow. This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. This actually hurts my head thinking about it.

Please, oh please don't try and "Christianize" this arguement. I don't want Christ's name anywhere near this.

The holes in this are amazing. My immune system is dropping from the emotional stress caused by the ignorance displayed.

Could God use viruses to cause Aids? Could God use Viruses to prove his point? Yes. Does he? I don't know.

But why take an arguement that the viruses don't exist, and say it is because of anal sex, and that is the reason and then fail to explain the obvious huge holes in your arguement concerning transfer of the disease with blood, vaginal sex, breast milk and many other areas of contamination.

Obviously sperm in the vagina does not trigger an immune response.
Actually it does, there are cases of women being allergic to semen itself.



This even explains why Kaposi's Sarcoma of the lower back region is the first sign of full-blown AIDS.
Or it is because the GI system has cells that divide extremely fast compared to the rest of the body predisposing it to greater risk of cancer. And when the HIV has suppressed the immune system the body fails to fight cancer as well as viruses and bacteria.


"My medical studies led me to believe that AIDS was devastating [Africa] and the people who showed me the situation here reinforced this belief. I jumped into this, and made others believe it. And now I know it was not true. But I know many more things that were not true. Nothing was true.... We have been shown false orphans since the beginningâ€â€children who have parents who never died, but who will not show up any more…Families just bring them as orphans, and if you ask how the parents died they will say AIDS. It is fashionable nowadays to say that, because it brings money and support."
This reminds me of what the germans said about the massacre of the jews in WW2.

If you want to quote Romans 3, then quote the entire chapter, or atleast the entire sentence to show what God actually said. Anyway, what does romans 3:23 prove for your point, yes we are all sinners anf fall short, but why then are you not punished with a debilitating disease for the evil you do? Or why am I not punished, or the next person?
 
Reading the entire thread now twice. I neither see the Science nor the Christianity behind this thread. I see some lowsy medical terminology being discussed. If this topic cannot do a quick 180 degree turn, it will be locked. We are to discuss Science and Christianity. So far what I have learned on this thread is that the vagina is or can be allergic to semen itself. Being a medical student for over two years, I would question that. Any support or references behind that claim, that I may view? So I can educate myself more in my medical background?

Please, oh please don't try and "Christianize" this arguement. I don't want Christ's name anywhere near this.

That's my whole point here

The holes in this are amazing. My immune system is dropping from the emotional stress caused by the ignorance displayed.

I'm also astonished at the ignorance on here
 
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