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[HeIsRisen2018]

Just a couple of questions here from tonight's (Message) Bible reading. First of all I think that this question was asked already but I can't remember when or where or what the answers were. But I was just reading this part and it seems a little unfair to me that I am being held accountable for something that my great, great, great, great grandfather did years ago. Like if he stole from somebody, how is that my fault? And my biological mother had me without getting married first. This verse isn't saying that it's my own fault I was born is it? This is a different version of it but it's still the same verse that I read.



Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,




Alright second question. Also in Exodus it talks about the rule an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. So why would Jesus revoke that rule if it was already given to the people by God. (I think?) Some things just aren't adding up for me and I could really use some help here.

 

[th1b.taylor]

You are not paying for what Adam did, he only purchased the Sin Nature a.k.a. Spiritually Dead that all mankind inherited. The moment you, I; all of us are born, the first thing we learn ids how to lie, to sin. From before we can speak we lie about needing attention from our mothers and must be taught not to do that, driving mom nuts. We are born into sin and we revel in it.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

You are not paying for what Adam did, he only purchased the Sin Nature a.k.a. Spiritually Dead that all mankind inherited. The moment you, I; all of us are born, the first thing we learn ids how to lie, to sin. From before we can speak we lie about needing attention from our mothers and must be taught not to do that, driving mom nuts. We are born into sin and we revel in it.

I agree with everything you said there except for the fact that I must not drive my mother nuts. Not in a bad way of course. She drives me nuts and I drive her nuts. It's part of our wacky and goofy relationship lol we really are best friends and love each other like crazy though.

 

[Chopper]

Just a couple of questions here from tonight's (Message) Bible reading. First of all I think that this question was asked already but I can't remember when or where or what the answers were. But I was just reading this part and it seems a little unfair to me that I am being held accountable for something that my great, great, great, great grandfather did years ago. Like if he stole from somebody, how is that my fault? And my biological mother had me without getting married first. This verse isn't saying that it's my own fault I was born is it? This is a different version of it but it's still the same verse that I read.



Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,




Alright second question. Also in Exodus it talks about the rule an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. So why would Jesus revoke that rule if it was already given to the people by God. (I think?) Some things just aren't adding up for me and I could really use some help here.

Hi there HIR. Your question is a good one that many folk don't know....

Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

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Here is the answer....
Ezekiel 18:14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
18:15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
18:16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
18:17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Thanks guys I understand that verse a lot better now, but what about my other question? Why would God say something in the OT only to have Jesus revoke it in the NT? Especially when at this point in time He hadn't died for our sins yet? (the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth thing)

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thanks guys I understand that verse a lot better now, but what about my other question? Why would God say something in the OT only to have Jesus revoke it in the NT? Especially when at this point in time He hadn't died for our sins yet? (the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth thing)

You are still trying to short for a short circuit understanding, just as does better than 98% of the Church Membership and 99.9% of the world. Always as I had said earlier remember context and that the same context, on the greatest context, in the case of Scripture runs from, "In the beginning... through Revelation 22:21.

So it is that every scripture in the Bible must be reconciled with every other scripture therein. And the first place to, always get our feet on the ground is John 1:1-5. There is no separation between Yeshua and YHWH, they are the same and Yeshaua Ha'mashjach told His disciples that if they had seen Him, they had seen the Father. Yeshua is the Creator Father of the Old and the New Testament, there is no separation though they are different persons.

No, to the obvious question> I cannot explain how this paradine any better than any other Christian. There are many examples used in teaching Primaries, Children, but they all fall apart with adults that are prone to investigate deeply. Teaching the Primaries class, my favorite was always the egg. Each Egg is one egg. But break it open to bake a white cake and it must be separated into three different parts but they are, together, one egg.

But as they grow and are more studied that tale is not a pale and will not hold water, But that is alright, we are called to accept what YHWH is teaching us and to prove nothing! The Bible teaches us that our Elohim is plural to the factor of three and all we must do is to believe it because YHWH said it,

 

[Edward]

Just a couple of questions here from tonight's (Message) Bible reading. First of all I think that this question was asked already but I can't remember when or where or what the answers were. But I was just reading this part and it seems a little unfair to me that I am being held accountable for something that my great, great, great, great grandfather did years ago. Like if he stole from somebody, how is that my fault? And my biological mother had me without getting married first. This verse isn't saying that it's my own fault I was born is it? This is a different version of it but it's still the same verse that I read.



Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,




Alright second question. Also in Exodus it talks about the rule an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. So why would Jesus revoke that rule if it was already given to the people by God. (I think?) Some things just aren't adding up for me and I could really use some help here.

1st question:
It is not your fault, but it is visited upon you to so many generations because...in your DNA, you carry the record of all of your ancestors, and everything they did both good and bad. And it affects you through your flesh. What do think taking communion is all about anyway? Taking communion affects your DNA also! The record of God within you...

2nd question:
Because Jesus came and died on the cross and changed all that. A lot changed in the courts of heaven on that day for the one who stands accusing you day and night, lol!

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

1st question:
It is not your fault, but it is visited upon you to so many generations because...in your DNA, you carry the record of all of your ancestors, and everything they did both good and bad. And it affects you through your flesh. What do think taking communion is all about anyway? Taking communion affects your DNA also! The record of God within you...

2nd question:
Because Jesus came and died on the cross and changed all that. A lot changed in the courts of heaven on that day for the one who stands accusing you day and night, lol!

Thanks Edward for clearing that up for me and to Taylor who tried the best he could to. But one more question, didn't Jesus preach all of that before He died on the cross for our sins?

 

[Edward]

Thanks Edward for clearing that up for me and to Taylor who tried the best he could to. But one more question, didn't Jesus preach all of that before He died on the cross for our sins?

I knew you were going to ask that as I typed my answer, lol! Yes He did. But He also knows that He would succeed in His mission here so He went ahead and taught it knowing that it needed to be written and that they would crucify Him...that the time was near.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I knew you were going to ask that as I typed my answer, lol! Yes He did. But He also knows that He would succeed in His mission here so He went ahead and taught it knowing that it needed to be written and that they would crucify Him...that the time was near.

Alright thanks for clearing that up!

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Many heard it was said, but Jesus is saying resist not to retaliate against those for what they can do to you.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Many heard it was said, but Jesus is saying resist not to retaliate against those for what they can do to you.

That's a really good point, but easier said than done for me unfortunately. But I do have a better grasp on what these scriptures were speaking of now.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Many heard it was said, but Jesus is saying resist not to retaliate against those for what they can do to you.

I am sorry, I know that is three verses but you are practicing One Verse Theology in this post and you're ignoring 99.99999... percent of the Bible but they all fit together like a line of Lock Step Riot Control Soldiers, just like the Military trained it's State Side Soldiers to do in DC during the sixties. Take one soldier out of the middle and there is a hole that a wedge can be driven into making the entire effort useless.

That must be reconciled with all of the Old Testament, the verse where Jesus ordered His Disciples not to go out without a sword. Taking a single statement out of the contest found in the whole of the scriptures aqnd teqching it is not a thing to make YHWH happy.

 

[for_his_glory]

I am sorry, I know that is three verses but you are practicing One Verse Theology in this post and you're ignoring 99.99999... percent of the Bible but they all fit together like a line of Lock Step Riot Control Soldiers, just like the Military trained it's State Side Soldiers to do in DC during the sixties. Take one soldier out of the middle and there is a hole that a wedge can be driven into making the entire effort useless.

That must be reconciled with all of the Old Testament, the verse where Jesus ordered His Disciples not to go out without a sword. Taking a single statement out of the contest found in the whole of the scriptures aqnd teqching it is not a thing to make YHWH happy.

I disagree as this is not one verse theology, but Jesus speaking about retaliation in the OT and NT

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. 16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; 17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; 18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; 19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. 20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you. 21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

 

[Razeontherock]

But one more question, didn't Jesus preach all of that before He died on the cross for our sins?

Yes!

Confusing, isn't it? I have come to the staunch conclusion that all of the rest of Scripture is far easier than the Gospels themselves, especially Jesus' own words. The Gospels read SO easily, and to be sure there is a surface level of understanding that is legitimate. There is also much more, below the surface, awaiting for us to learn. Consider it our finals? Lol. In terms of understanding ONLY.

Thank God it is not our own understanding that saves us!

Galatians is a good read to gain a better understanding of what you're asking about. And since you're reading through the Exodus, I'll just drop this fact that all the details of the Tabernacle that God instructed Moses to build, ALL of it speaks of Christ! In far greater detail than anywhere else in Scripture. And this is how Paul knew so much that he could write almost the entire NT. All of it is correct.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Yes!

Confusing, isn't it? I have come to the staunch conclusion that all of the rest of Scripture is far easier than the Gospels themselves, especially Jesus' own words. The Gospels read SO easily, and to be sure there is a surface level of understanding that is legitimate. There is also much more, below the surface, awaiting for us to learn. Consider it our finals? Lol. In terms of understanding ONLY.

Thank God it is not our own understanding that saves us!

Galatians is a good read to gain a better understanding of what you're asking about. And since you're reading through the Exodus, I'll just drop this fact that all the details of the Tabernacle that God instructed Moses to build, ALL of it speaks of Christ! In far greater detail than anywhere else in Scripture. And this is how Paul knew so much that he could write almost the entire NT. All of it is correct.

Well, I am starting to get a better understanding of it and it's very funny that you mention that because that was the exact Bible story that I read today in my study.

 

[Razeontherock]

God confirming His Word

 

[Michael74]

The Lord spoke his word to me, saying: “What do you mean by using this saying about the land of Israel: ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes, and that caused the children to grind their teeth from the sour taste’? “As surely as I live, says the Lord God, this is true: You will not use this saying in Israel anymore. Every living thing belongs to me. The life of the parent is mine, and the life of the child is mine. The person who sins is the one who will die. Ezekiel 18:1-4 New Century Version (NCV)

 

[Razeontherock]

This brings us to a great point:

many say the God of the OT is so different from the God of the NT that they can't be reconciled. I point out this demonstrates a lack of understanding. (Which is ok, and a necessary stage of growth to go through)

God has not changed! That is one of the things He can't do.

It is His way of dealing with our species that changes. The Bible tells us about this. Our most important lesson from it is how to have a relationship with Him, in the here and now.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

This brings us to a great point:

many say the God of the OT is so different from the God of the NT that they can't be reconciled. I point out this demonstrates a lack of understanding. (Which is ok, and a necessary stage of growth to go through)

God has not changed! That is one of the things He can't do.

It is His way of dealing with our species that changes. The Bible tells us about this. Our most important lesson from it is how to have a relationship with Him, in the here and now.

True, God Himself didn't change, but His laws changed when Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice and died on the cross since He took our place and paid the original penalty for sinning on our behalf.