Homosexuality and Obesity?

[AHIMSA]

Homosexuality is often portrayed as one of the most terrible sins. Many of the Christians on this site have expressed their digust with it and their position that active homosexuals will go to hell. Some have gone so far as to say we should not even eat dinner with a person who is open about their lifestyle.

The reasons that homosexuality is wrong, it is aruged, is this:
- it is contrary to our natural purpose
- it is using sex for the purpose of pleasure instead of pro-creation
- it is harmful to the body
- scripture condemns it

But what of obestiy? We know that many people, especially in North America, are grossly overweight.
- food is there to nuture us and sustain us
-If someone is dangerousely overweight, it shows that they are using food for the purpose of pleasure rather than sustenance, which is contrary to the natural purpose of food
- being overweight is harmful to our bodies
- Our bodies are "Temples of the Holy Spirit", and to simply use our bodies to contain all this unhealthy and dangerous food to appease our greedy appetities is to abuse the body which God gave us a gift
- gluttony is condemned by scripture


I don't understand why we hear such widespread condemnation of homosexuality, but not of obesity. Both are excessive pleasure and using our bodies to gratify wants, not needs. Obesity demonstrates a general disregard for the sanctity of the physical body. Both are generally the product of our choices. Why is this sin ignored? Why aren't people told to "lose weight" or "face the fires of hell?"

 

[Solo]

We need to pray for those that are fat and gay, so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves.

 

[bibleberean]

Gluton

glutton

GLUT'TON, n. glut'n. Low L. gluto. One who indulges to excess in eating.

1. One eager of any thing to excess.

Gluttons in murder, wanton to destroy.

gluttony is a sin alright. We shouldn't do anything to excess.

Fornication is a sin and shouldn't be indulged in either.

"The bible goes so far as to say that we shouldn't even eat with someone called a brother" who does these things.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

I hope this isn't another thread using subterfuge to raise sympathy for perversion.

subterfuge

SUB'TERFUGE, n. L. subter and fugio, to flee. Literally, that to which a person resorts for escape or concealment; hence, a shift; an evasion; an artifice employed to escape censure or the force of an argument, or to justify opinions or conduct.

Affect not little shifts and subterfuges, to avoid the force of an argument.

Here we go again.... :roll:

 

[Solo]

Are gays gluttons for punishment?

In other words are gays looking forward to being punished for their temporary time of pleasure? Or do they live in a state of constant denial?

Just curious.

 

[bibleberean]

Are gays gluttons for punishment?

In other words are gays looking forward to being punished for their temporary time of pleasure? Or do they live in a state of constant denial?

Just curious.

Brother,

Do you mean homosexuals?

There is nothing "gay" about perversion.

God bless,

Robert

 

[living4onlyJC]

We need to pray for those that are fat and gay, so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves

Just because peple are over weight doesn't mean that they live for themselves.

My aunt is alot overweight, be she is a godly woman who lives her life for the Lord.

 

[bibleberean]

We need to pray for those that are fat and gay, so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves

Just because peple are over weight doesn't mean that they live for themselves.

My aunt is alot overweight, be she is a godly woman who lives her life for the Lord.

That is true. I know skinny people who eat like pigs and overweight people who eat like birds.

I think Solo meant people who eat way too much as opposed to people that are overweight.

God bless you and your godly aunt.

Robert

 

[Solo]

We need to pray for those that are fat and gay, so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves

Just because peple are over weight doesn't mean that they live for themselves.

My aunt is alot overweight, be she is a godly woman who lives her life for the Lord.

Actually, I thought that comparing obese people as being sinful was an ignorant argument, comparing being obese to homosexuality. BibleBerean is correct in his assessment. Gluttony does not necessarily refer to food nor does it make the assumption that obesity is caused by gluttony.

Homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is a self-defeating lifestyle to all of those that participate.

We should pray for all people so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves.

 

[bibleberean]

We need to pray for those that are fat and gay, so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves

Just because peple are over weight doesn't mean that they live for themselves.

My aunt is alot overweight, be she is a godly woman who lives her life for the Lord.

Actually, I thought that comparing obese people as being sinful was an ignorant argument, comparing being obese to homosexuality. BibleBerean is correct in his assessment. Gluttony does not necessarily refer to food nor does it make the assumption that obesity is caused by gluttony.

Homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is a self-defeating lifestyle to all of those that participate.

We should pray for all people so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves.

Solo Writes:

Homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is a self-defeating lifestyle to all of those that participate.

We should pray for all people so that they can live their lives for Jesus Christ and not for themselves

BB adds: Amen! :-D

 

[AHIMSA]

My point is this: obesity, to be considerably overweight, is a perversion of the body that God has given us. For the overwhelming majority of people, obesity is something within their own control. Through their choices, they consumed the wrong kinds of food, did not nurture their body and disregarded the physical costs of eating without monitoring what it is they consume.

To be overweight to this extent is very unhealthy for the body. Does this not show that a person (in this aspect of their life) has allowed their wants to overcome their needs? To be obese is to defile the body that God has given us, the "Temple of the Spirit". It is to profane the sanctity of the physical in the name of pleasure.

So are obese people going to hell? Do they need to lose weight to enter heaven? Isn't the obese lifestyle not in conflict with God's will?

 

[peace4all]

most christians will always state that homosexuality is a choice.

obesity is pretty much a choice too (yes, there is some evidence that it is heriditary, aka diabetes, however with proper care excercise diet etc, it is possible9Pretty easy imo) to overcome)

nobody is born "obese" it is something that parents help their children into, and children themselves go into because they either don't care, or they are affraid of becoming like the other half of the kids in the world, who decide to go billemic...

I like this analogy alot. I think it can use some fine tuning, but in essence, when someone condems someone for being a homosexual, you could turn back around and condemn someone for being fat.

atleast being a homosexual usually includes Love and Compassion for atleast 1 fellow man. Being fat.. well.. it doesnt, you might still have it, but it is not directly attributed to you being fat..

 

[Drew]

I have to agree with the thesis put forth by AHIMSA. In most cases, obesity is caused by overeating, and overeating is caused by giving in to the pleasure of eating food. So I think we Christians need to adopt a more consistent stance. If we rebuke the homosexual, we need to rebuke the obese person.

I know this may seem insensitive to obese people. I am certainly open to hearing "technical" (medical) arguments about how a person can become obese without eating poorly. However, I am skeptical such arguments will work for reasons such as the following:

- A candy bar is a candy bar, and it contains 200 calories no matter whose mouth it goes into.
- That energy is either passed through the body, stored, or burnt through physical activity.
- An obese person will burn as many calories as a non-obese person if they do the same amount of exercise (it cannot be argued that obese people somehow do not burn calories by exercizing - simple physics shows this just ain't so.
- I have travelled a fair bit to South Korea - you see no (and I mean no) obese people. It seems a bit of a stretch to think that being of South Korean ethnicity buys you some magical exemption from obesity. In other words, South Koreans are slender because of a combination of diet and exercize - their bodies do not "force" them to be fat.

I suppose one might argue that a skinny person has a better metabolism than a heavier one. But again, are South Koreans genetically immune to such differences? It seems rather unlikely. Shouldn't we see some obese South Koreans?

I want to be clear: I am open to being refuted about my basic claim that obesity can be avoided by lifestyle choices. Until that is done, however, I would say that AHIMSA's thesis seems basically correct.

 

[peace4all]

that brings up an interesting topic my brother and i were arguing about a long while ago.

He said that he wished he was asian, because asian people are not fat.

HOWEVER, i pointed out that the poor, hard working people, often seen in movies, or on television, are skinny, yet, a portion of asian americans (especially those adopted by american parents) turn out chunky due to americas eating habbits. Also, I pointed out that Sumo-wrestlers, are primarilly asian, and are primarilly large.

the argument then went to africa.

you always ee the poor starving children of africa, the hardworking africans etc.

then you read about how being a larger , obese person, gives you higher status because it means you are rich and can buy food etc. If NOTHING else, there is a direct correlation between the amount, and what you eat, your laboring, and your weight.

 

[bibleberean]

No one here is arguing for any sin.

The bottom line is still the fact that homosexuality is a gross, vile and evil sin.

what next? Are we going to treat people that are overweight the same way we treat serial killers?

Again, the word here is "subterfuge..."

SUB'TERFUGE, n. L. subter and fugio, to flee. Literally, that to which a person resorts for escape or concealment; hence, a shift; an evasion; an artifice employed to escape censure or the force of an argument, or to justify opinions or conduct.

Affect not little shifts and subterfuges, to avoid the force of an argument.

I am not buying it... :roll:

 

[Rick W]

But Mom!!!
Why Am I grounded when he lied to you last week about doing his homework?!?! So I came home a little late. And he even got an "F" on his report card!!! You didn't ground him!!

:smt022

*pout*

 

[bibleberean]

But Mom!!!
Why Am I grounded when he lied to you last week about doing his homework?!?! So I came home a little late. And he even got an "F" on his report card!!! You didn't ground him!!

:smt022

*pout*

: : :

 

[AHIMSA]

my point is not to subvert the argument over homosexuality, my point is to bring to light the inconsistencies of the Chrsitian position. We see widespread condemnation of homosexuality on this site, many people opposing laws that would protect homosexuals as a minority because homosexuals make immoral choices and should not be defined as a minority. Yet they do not feel that laws protecting people from being discriminated against on the basis of being overweight are wrong. Basically, most Christians look to the obese and think "its unfortunate that they are over weight" but they stop there. They don't preach to them, tell them to change their ways, protest their funerals, oppose their rights to ordination ect ect.

Secondly, I am sure that some of the people on this site who are very overweight have preached against "the sin of homose xuality" and told me personally im going to hell. Yet they have not confronted their own sin of abusing and misusing their own body.

 

[bibleberean]

I don't believe you...

You have done nothing but try to defend homosexual behaviour since you have been here.

Homosexuality is a sin and it is a sin God clearly does not want people to commit.

If you can't live with this in a Christian forum that is too bad.

No one is arguing for "other sins".

Practicing perversion is evil. Homosexual behaviour is an abomination in the eyes of God.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The nation of Israel was to keep itself free from this sin. It is disgusting.

Abomination

Hebrew

tow`ebah


1) a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable

a) in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)

b) in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)

Subterfuge....That is all this thread is about....

I don't buy for one minute that this about being consistent.

Disgusting!

 

[Rick W]

...my point is to bring to light the inconsistencies of the Chrsitian position.

I can guarantee you there will always be inconsistancy when it comes to the subject of religion. Even gay priests are in the news so your point is nothing new. And I can guarantee inconsistancies in anything to do with people no matter what group/organisation you care to name. No biggie, just fact.

The problem for you is most christians on this forum recognize that the Word of God doesn't support the practice of homosexuality and said so. If you need/want support for your opinions I sure wouldn't look on a christian forum. I mean, what else did you expect?

Oh, btw.
If you look to me or anyone else as a christian for "example" well, I'm afraid you got the wrong guy. Try Jesus. He won't disappoint you.

 

[AHIMSA]

So you would agree then, obesity is a dangerous and sinful lifestyle?

If obese people don't change their eating habits, do they face hell for the disrespect they do to their bodies (of course this would include not only obese people, but people who generally do not nurture and take care of their body) ?