Homosexuality and Obesity?

[Asaph]

A whole thread about queers and fat people. Is it OK if I lie about one or the other?



Grace, Mercy and Peace,
Asaph

 

[SputnikBoy]

A whole thread about queers and fat people.

I don't even know you but the above remark speaks volumes about you. Are you suggesting people strive to be more like you?

 

[Asaph]

Have you no discernment at all?

Are you oblivious to the reference to lying?

 

[Asaph]

I am then a worse sinner because I used the verbotten word "queer"?

Yet day to day those that condemn me themselves lie in abject opposition to truth?

A queer is queer, the Word of God is not silent about that.

How am I wrong?

 

[SputnikBoy]

I am then a worse sinner because I used the verbotten word "queer"?

Yet day to day those that condemn me themselves lie in abject opposition to truth?

A queer is queer, the Word of God is not silent about that.

How am I wrong?

Quite obviously I'm either thick or just too tired. What, exactly, is your point? Plain English please as the hour is late.

 

[Asaph]

I am then a worse sinner because I used the verbotten word "queer"?

Yet day to day those that condemn me themselves lie in abject opposition to truth?

A queer is queer, the Word of God is not silent about that.

How am I wrong?

Quite obviously I'm either thick or just too tired. What, exactly, is your point? Plain English please as the hour is late.

How is it any different than lying, cheating on your taxes, or goofing off on company time? How is it that even in the christian community homosexuality has become so special that a whole standard of terms has to be used for it?

 

[bibleberean]

The Homosexual chant, "We are here we are queer get used to it".

There is a television show called "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy".

There is a lesbian motorcycle club called "Dykes on Bikes".

No one seems to be upset about this. Yet if anyone uses the words "queer or dyke" to describe person practicing same sex perversion they are ostracized.

Why is that? :smt017

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The Homosexual chant, "We are here we are queer get used to it".

There is a television show called "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy".

There is a lesbian motorcycle club called "Dykes on Bikes".

No one seems to be upset about this. Yet if anyone uses the words "queer or dyke" to describe person practicing same sex perversion they are ostracized.

Why is that? :smt017

Does an African-American using the N word to refer to his brother or sister give you the right to use it too?

Also, there is context and emotion to be seen here. You are not saying these terms in the same spirit that they use them. You use them condemningly and that is not the same.

 

[bibleberean]

The Homosexual chant, "We are here we are queer get used to it".

There is a television show called "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy".

There is a lesbian motorcycle club called "Dykes on Bikes".

No one seems to be upset about this. Yet if anyone uses the words "queer or dyke" to describe person practicing same sex perversion they are ostracized.

Why is that? :smt017

Does an African-American using the N word to refer to his brother or sister give you the right to use it too?

Also, there is context and emotion to be seen here. You are not saying these terms in the same spirit that they use them. You use them condemningly and that is not the same.

I don't use derogatory words base on the color of ones skin and using the "N" word should not be used by anyone including those of dark skin pigmentation.

Queer is a term used to define behaviour not skin pigmentation.

I can use the word pervert without emotion as the bible uses the term Sodomite without emotion.

Jesus called a woman a "dog" because she was not a Jew.

And by the way I don't divide people into colors groups.

That is not my problem...

Why is that? :smt017Does an African-American using the N word to refer to his brother or sister give you the right to use it too?

Anyone who is a born again Christian is my brother and sister. Being of a certain skin pigmentation does not make someone a brother or sister.

Being "Queer" in that sense is in reference to behaviour.

 

[SputnikBoy]

The Homosexual chant, "We are here we are queer get used to it".

There is a television show called "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy".

There is a lesbian motorcycle club called "Dykes on Bikes".

No one seems to be upset about this. Yet if anyone uses the words "queer or dyke" to describe person practicing same sex perversion they are ostracized.

Why is that? :smt017

I can see why some (and by no means NOT ALL) homosexual people would take some derogatory terms that have been leveled at them by insensitive and self-righteous others over the years and blatantly use these derogatory terms as an act of defiance. And this is what we see going on here ...plainly and simply. They are basically saying ..."Okay BB, YOU and others call us filthy perverts so filthy perverts is therefore what we will be." They may then make placards to carry around (or come up with a chant) saying, "We are filthy perverts so get used to it." This is simple psychology.

And, there may well be any number of homosexual people who have become so conditioned or/and desensitized by the consistent and derogatory remarks of others that they would not be offended any more by the terms you and others level at them, BB. There are other homosexual people, however, who WOULD be deeply offended by those terms because they are sensitive and proud human beings. You, BB, appear to be oblivious to the fact that homosexual people are CAPABLE of being proud and sensitive human beings.

You, BB, and others paint all homosexual people with the same broad brush in your ignorance of the human condition. Heterosexual people come in all shapes, sizes, viewpoints, perceptions, mindsets, etc. And so too do homosexual people. But you, BB, think in terms of pigeon-holing people ...you see the world in black and white, just like your avatar ... you desire the 'cookie Christian' - someone who thinks and feels the way you do, someone from the same mold ...you show extreme discomfort whenever someone may see God differently than you do ...God is either your way or no way at all.

Is it possible, BB, for you to put your weapon (Bible) down for a moment and answer this question ...honestly? The question is: Why do YOU - not God - hate homosexuality so?

 

[bibleberean]

The show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" is considered "cute" not defiant.

The bible says that men having sex with men is an abomination.

What does that have to do with me?

I agree with God's word.

I don't need to explain or apologize for that.

God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

 

[Windozer]

Hi SputnikBoy,

Your last post makes real good sense.

Alas... Some people have a need to attempt to sit along side Jesus on his throne. Something we sinners can not accomplish.

 

[Asaph]

What is it that the unregenerate homosexual needs? Salvation.

What is it that the regenerate person that is practicing homosexuality needs? Repentance.

Neither of those two things are within my power to grant, but it is not being judgemental for me to acknowledge that there is a need there based upon the word of God.

There are two ways I can make myself "judge" in those cases:

One is to treat the person as if God hates them. God does not hate either one of them and to treat them as if He did is to usurp God's rightful place in our own hearts.

The other is more subtle in it's judgementalizm because it substitutes worldly ideas of tolerance in the place of God's word. That person is "judging" just as asurredly as the first and is also trying to usurp the Throne of God.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

 

[bibleberean]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

 

[Asaph]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

Amen. Personally, I thought I had given it a well balance, rightly divided, biblical treatment devoid of personal judgementalizim and full of the Love God has for sinners of any type. Oh well, I guess not.

 

[bibleberean]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

Amen. Personally, I thought I had given it a well balance, rightly divided, biblical treatment devoid of personal judgementalizim and full of the Love God has for sinners of any type. Oh well, I guess not.

I thought your post was excellent. The issue isn't that we pick on homosexuality but that the opposition wants to silence us in to keeping quiet.

Not happening. 8-)

 

[Asaph]

A loving parent does not sit and do nothing as he watches his child wander onto the street in front of the house and call it "tolerance". Neither would the neighbor of the parent sit and watch such a thing happen without interviening.

Both would leap from their comfey chairs and make a mad dash to prevent that toddler from injuring himself.

God has clearly shown us the "freeway" that runs headlong in this world. He has not asked us to rename that freeway and act as if it is not harmful. He only asks us to snatch back the babies.

That cannot happen without truely loving and accepting the babies as our own personal responsibility. It will not happen unless our entire motivation is Love.

Anything less is ignorance of who God is.

Anything more is religion.

Yet there is a place in God, where the rivers won't run dry.

 

[SputnikBoy]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

Amen. Personally, I thought I had given it a well balance, rightly divided, biblical treatment devoid of personal judgementalizim and full of the Love God has for sinners of any type. Oh well, I guess not.

I thought your post was excellent. The issue isn't that we pick on homosexuality but that the opposition wants to silence us in to keeping quiet.

Not happening. 8-)

That's because you're both equating the homosexual predisposition with sin. Your knowledge about the human condition is limited to one book that does NOT have all the answers. A homosexual orientation is no more a sin than is a heterosexual orientation. Both types of people, however, are capable of sinning. See, I can be just as much the expert as you guys. Feel free to prove me wrong if you feel you can.

Not only that, since you are both sinners yourselves (the Bible tells me that no one is righteous), neither one of you can afford to point the finger at anyone else. But ...as long as you're both so bent on reforming sinners, you might be better off leaving this topic alone and concentrating more as to how you can eliminate sin from your own lives. It can't do any harm, can it? Just a thought.

 

[Asaph]

What is it that the unregenerate judgmental person needs? Salvation

What is it that the regenerate judgmental person needs? Repentance.

We could also remove the word Judgmental and replace it with a thousand others but for some reason people can only think of homosexuals. I guess it makes their own sins seem trivial to them. I wonder if God sees it that way? Okay, I lied (insert liar in the text) and don't wonder about this at all. I know that God is offended by judgmentalism.

God is not offended by calling a sin a sin.

Calling homosexuality sin is not being judgemental.

A person has to be "judgemental" by their own definition to state that calling homosexuality perversion is a sin.

How judgemental... :roll:

Amen. Personally, I thought I had given it a well balance, rightly divided, biblical treatment devoid of personal judgementalizim and full of the Love God has for sinners of any type. Oh well, I guess not.

I thought your post was excellent. The issue isn't that we pick on homosexuality but that the opposition wants to silence us in to keeping quiet.

Not happening. 8-)

That's because you're both equating the homosexual predisposition with sin. Your knowledge about the human condition is limited to one book that does NOT have all the answers. A homosexual orientation is no more a sin than is a heterosexual orientation. Both types of people, however, are capable of sinning. See, I can be just as much the expert as you guys. Feel free to prove me wrong if you feel you can.

Not only that, since you are both sinners yourselves (the Bible tells me that no one is righteous), neither one of you can afford to point the finger at anyone else. But ...as long as you're both so bent on reforming sinners, you might be better off leaving this topic alone and concentrating more as to how you can eliminate sin from your own lives. It can't do any harm, can it? Just a thought.

First, stop inserting your own posts inside of the quotes. Be a man and stand on your own post.

Neither one of us has said anything except what the word of God says. It says clearly and without any refutation that homosexuality is a sin.

God did not make man that way.

God did not ordain that any of man should be that way.

You have not one single biblical reason to think that God ever made even one man a homosexual, so you are lying from the start.

So now you are not only trying to justify sin, but you are lying too.

Guess what? That makes you a sinner and a prime candidate for salvation. Woohoo! Accept Jesus into your life and you will get saved too!!!!!.......

Sorry..........I got excited about you getting saved.