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Someone makes a point, another replies with a rebuttal, the first edits the post and the rebuttal is no longer on target.
Short time limits may be ok in the debate section but otherwise... :shrug

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Agreed. This was my first thought. If I post something and someone responds then I could go back and change my post and then argue that I didn't actually post what I did. I personally like a short time limit. If I mistakenly post something I didn't mean I can just post again pointing out my correction. Keeps us all honest.

edit: I was thinking about this and another thought came to mind. I don't know if this is possible but is there a way to allow editing until another post is added to the forum?
 

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Actually, I meant editing allowed until another post is added to the thread but I think you understood.

This is an example of what I mean. I could have just edited my last post here to fix the last word from forum to thread but because Rick has added a post, I should not be able to do that but instead post again explaining my correction as I just did above.
 
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reba,
The only way I can think of to separate the two permissions... general and debate... is set each usergroup and forum individually with no inherited permissions concerning editing one's post.
 
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Actually, I meant editing allowed until another post is added to the thread but I think you understood.

This is an example of what I mean. I could have just edited my last post here to fix the last word from forum to thread but because Rick has added a post, I should not be able to do that but instead post again explaining my correction as I just did above.
Right.
As long as there is no response a post can be edited. I'd like to see that but I don't think it's possible. Maybe with an addon but we're trying to stay away from addons for the time being.
 
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I can go with a short time in debate and a long time for general.
Reba likes 24 to 48 hrs.
I'd settle for 36 hours for general forums. If there is something someone has second thoughts about being publicly viewable then posting again to make an intended edit known isn't going to work. We ran into that recently.
 
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Debs post from the other thread on the same subject
ok I think 60 mins is too long and 30 should be sufficient. If one realizes later that something is wrong, grammar/spelling it's not a big deal anyway. If it is that what they have written doesn't sound like they intended, etc. they can always make a post that says so and retract/restate their position. No harm, no foul. People make mistakes. But to be able to change your original post, especially in a debate and that post has been quoted, I see as a problem.
Seems Deborah13 and WIP pretty much agree... I think you guys have adjusted my thoughts.

Had to make a very emotional edit for a member the other day so i was thinking long term... those emotional changes are few... and can be done other ways...
 
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On a forum I once worked the time was 30 minutes but I love the next post cut off idea. Just one of the dummies thinking!
 
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Someone makes a point, another replies with a rebuttal, the first edits the post and the rebuttal is no longer on target.
Short time limits may be ok in the debate section but otherwise... :shrug

Got a powwow coming up.
Ah, another good reason why I use the "Reply" button alot; so the quote I'm replying to doesn't change! :) This does sound like an especially good idea in the debate section. Other forums I'm on don't have a debate section and don't seem to have so much of a problem of people accusing and misquoting people that seems to happen among us Christians. I guess it makes sense that they are all set for unlimited editing time while ours is not. After thinking about it, maybe it's not a bad idea to have a real short editing time limit for everyone in all forums here. Afterall, if we were talking face to face, we couldn't go back and change our words, could we:?
 
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Ah, another good reason why I use the "Reply" button alot; so the quote I'm replying to doesn't change! :) This does sound like an especially good idea in the debate section. Other forums I'm on don't have a debate section and don't seem to have so much of a problem of people accusing and misquoting people that seems to happen among us Christians. I guess it makes sense that they are all set for unlimited editing time while ours is not. After thinking about it, maybe it's not a bad idea to have a real short editing time limit for everyone in all forums here. Afterall, if we were talking face to face, we couldn't go back and change our words, could we:?
" Afterall, if we were talking face to face, we couldn't go back and change our words, could we"

This is true. But people often will reveal personal things about themselves online that they would not reveal in person to a whole group of people. Things they need to talk about but then they decide that they may have revealed too much and want to edit or delete it. I think they should have that option.
 
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Good point, Deborah13. In reading your post, I realize I've done the very same thing a time or two! :)
 
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So debates and arguments are so bad on here that just because of them everything else has to suffer from a post editing time limit? Well, now I feel bad about bringing this to attention, because at least some people had the ability to edit freely. Now it sounds like things are quickly going down hill for those of us that are here for fun and not debates.

Anyways, I do hope this gets worked out to where maybe time limits are adjustable per section. For example, have limits in places that get heated easily, but I don't see the purpose to have time limits in general discussion and hobbies & interests, unless there are lots of debates in those sections too.

Either way, as long as my time limit for editing is short, I feel hesitant to post or start threads. Which is one of the reasons why I asked about the ability to edit posts. A time limit effects how comfortable I feel with posting, which in turn also effects how active I become with posting. Another reason I asked about the time limit is because with unlimited edits, I can make threads with a bit of organization in mind.

@ Rick W.
Thanks Rick for letting me know my time limit. But wow, 60 minutes? That's intimidating for someone shy like me who always has embarrassing mistakes to fix, and I struggle to word my thoughts clearly due to a thought processing disability. But I will try to work with it.

Again, thank you, I guess I have my answer for now.
 
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CcGirl, have you tried writing out your post in a word processor and re-reading it until you are sure it's right before posting it? That helps me, at least with things like embarrassing typos, bad grammar, or incoherent thought progression (when I think to do it.) I find when I'm typing directly into the forum I tend to hit "Post Reply" a little too soon and usually regret it later. :neutral

Oh yeah, and debates and arguments probably are that bad on here for anyone who posts anything that doesn't toe the line with the ideas of the majority! (Or maybe i should say 'toe the line with the more vocal and opinionated members". :biggrin2 ) At least it's much worse than on any secular forums that I'm on. :-D
 
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So debates and arguments are so bad on here that just because of them everything else has to suffer from a post editing time limit? Well, now I feel bad about bringing this to attention, because at least some people had the ability to edit freely. Now it sounds like things are quickly going down hill for those of us that are here for fun and not debates.

Anyways, I do hope this gets worked out to where maybe time limits are adjustable per section. For example, have limits in places that get heated easily, but I don't see the purpose to have time limits in general discussion and hobbies & interests, unless there are lots of debates in those sections too.

Either way, as long as my time limit for editing is short, I feel hesitant to post or start threads. Which is one of the reasons why I asked about the ability to edit posts. A time limit effects how comfortable I feel with posting, which in turn also effects how active I become with posting. Another reason I asked about the time limit is because with unlimited edits, I can make threads with a bit of organization in mind.

@ Rick W.
Thanks Rick for letting me know my time limit. But wow, 60 minutes? That's intimidating for someone shy like me who always has embarrassing mistakes to fix, and I struggle to word my thoughts clearly due to a thought processing disability. But I will try to work with it.

Again, thank you, I guess I have my answer for now.
Sometimes I have to leave a post unposted until later. That way I can take my time writing it. So I start it and then go to the icon at the top that looks like a floppy disk and save the draft. I know they will stay saved for at least a day or more I think.
 
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So debates and arguments are so bad on here that just because of them everything else has to suffer from a post editing time limit? Well, now I feel bad about bringing this to attention, because at least some people had the ability to edit freely. Now it sounds like things are quickly going down hill for those of us that are here for fun and not debates.
Well it's not rreally fair if some members have unlimited editing time and others 5 minutes. With the exception of staff members, editing times should be even across the site.

It's not punishing those who are not here for debate, because what is being proposed is that longer edit times be allowed for non-debate sections.

It's not necessarily about debates being bad here. They have their moments both good and bad, but overally it interrupts the flow of discussion and can be grossly misused.

Either way, as long as my time limit for editing is short, I feel hesitant to post or start threads. Which is one of the reasons why I asked about the ability to edit posts. A time limit effects how comfortable I feel with posting, which in turn also effects how active I become with posting. Another reason I asked about the time limit is because with unlimited edits, I can make threads with a bit of organization in mind.
This site has a draft feature.
 
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So debates and arguments are so bad on here that just because of them everything else has to suffer from a post editing time limit? Well, now I feel bad about bringing this to attention, because at least some people had the ability to edit freely. Now it sounds like things are quickly going down hill for those of us that are here for fun and not debates.

Anyways, I do hope this gets worked out to where maybe time limits are adjustable per section. For example, have limits in places that get heated easily, but I don't see the purpose to have time limits in general discussion and hobbies & interests, unless there are lots of debates in those sections too.

Either way, as long as my time limit for editing is short, I feel hesitant to post or start threads. Which is one of the reasons why I asked about the ability to edit posts. A time limit effects how comfortable I feel with posting, which in turn also effects how active I become with posting. Another reason I asked about the time limit is because with unlimited edits, I can make threads with a bit of organization in mind.

@ Rick W.
Thanks Rick for letting me know my time limit. But wow, 60 minutes? That's intimidating for someone shy like me who always has embarrassing mistakes to fix, and I struggle to word my thoughts clearly due to a thought processing disability. But I will try to work with it.

Again, thank you, I guess I have my answer for now.
60 minutes IS way too short. Looks like we'll be setting general forums to at least 24 hours.
 

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Sometimes I have to leave a post unposted until later. That way I can take my time writing it. So I start it and then go to the icon at the top that looks like a floppy disk and save the draft. I know they will stay saved for at least a day or more I think.
You beat me to it Deborah. My mouth can often get ahead of my brain. This is one reason why I am more comfortable putting my thoughts in writing. It allows me to write down what I want to say, reread it a few times, and then deliver the message.

I often do this with my online posting in forums like this. I will write out my thoughts using a word processor like Microsoft Word for example. If it's a heated discussion I will proofread what I wrote many times allowing time between readings, even hours of time to allow myself opportunity to calm down and think more rationally before I finally post my final draft.

I would recommend this tactic for you Ccgirl. There's never a reason to rush a posting. Take your time. What you have to say is valuable to all of us.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions, however, even if I can prepare things beforehand as much as I want (as I already do), the truth is I still always end up needing to edit things after I post. And I'm not alone in that. There are plenty of people on other forums, which I've been on, that always end up needing to edit their posts too. Especially the perfectionists or noobs.

And, just for another perspective on time limits, anything less than at least 3 days to edit is bad news for those who don't come on everyday, but then find out they need to fix something in their post/thread. For example, if I made a thread about all my hobbies, then later see something that could be improved, I see no harm in editing the post to improve it, and yet I wouldn't be able to because I wasn't able to get back on in time due to being busy in real life. I also still hate embarrassing mistakes that slip their way onto a final post, which become even more embarrassing if they are stuck there. I don't know about you guys, but I'm just not able to always be a daily user with everything.

To be clear, it's general and fun things that I am talking about for letting have a lengthier editable time limit, or no limit at all.

What is the purpose of such short editing times? (not debates)