Kidron
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Its very simple to find out if you are saved and have eternal life.
Do you want to know for sure?
I think you do
So.. First, understand that to be saved IS to have eternal life, and to have eternal life IS to be saved.
They are in fact, the same situation.
One = The other.
Salvation = Eternal Life.
Now....In 1st John, ... John told you that he wrote some things to you so that you could KNOW that you are saved.
And he's not kidding, you can KNOW....and thats why he said you can know.
It is a fact that you can know that you are saved and that you have eternal life.....or not.
John told you so.
Do you believe him?
To understand this, to discover how to understand how to KNOW, (according to John The Apostle) is first to realize that there is only one difference between a lost person, (an unsaved person)......and a saved person.
There is only one difference, and its an ETERNAL DIFFERENCE.
Its a biggie !
So.............Is it their "fruit?
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
Nope.
Wrong answer.
See, you cant judge a person's salvation, .. that is to say, you cant know if a person is saved by their lifestyle ("fruit")......you can only know their lifestyle and then judge them according to that aspect.
But their lifestyle, is no proof of Salvation, its only proof of "fruit".
This explains why you can know THEM by their "fruit", but that is not the same as knowing if they are saved.
Do you see?
Remember, Saint, that "Satan comes as an angel of light", and his followers, his deceived, are often the same.
Listen....here is the thing about Satan.....He wanted to be God, failed, and now he counterfeits the real thing.
He is a really good at doing that.
And so it is on Christian forums, you find counterfeits with their arguments against the very principles of GRACE, trying to substitute everything they can find.... for example.
You find them in the pulpits, you find them on TV.
Spiritual sounding, spiritual doing, well versed in "christianese", but totally counterfeit... totally deceived, and totally trying to deceive you.
So, just as Satan can counterfeit the "gifts of the spirit and the fruit of the spirit", so can a person, so can a denomination....so can a "church".
This is why "knowing them by their fruit", has to be seasoned with the understanding that Satan can get a person to counterfeit spiritual fruit.
And SO, that is why "fruit bearing" and proving Christianity by "works", and all that stuff.....cant really prove Salvation, ....It only proves "fruit".
Wolves in sheep's clothing, are very very skilled at proving "fruit", (good works) and that is because they know you expect it.
So, yep, you can "know them by their fruit", but all you'll know is their "fruit", which does not prove redemption has been applied to them.
So, how do you know if you are saved,?..... As you can never know absolutely if anybody else you know, is saved.
You cant know that, as only God can know that, and they themselves can know it....(according to JOHN).. but not you....you cant absolutely know it about anyone, but yourself.
And so, by what measurement, by what proof, can you "KNOW"< as John said, that YOU are saved and have eternal life.? (Same thing).
Well, its that one thing that i mentioned earlier that separates an unbeliever from a believer.
There is only one thing, and that is found in this verse:
Romans 8:9.
Romans 8:9 is your absolute proof check measurement from God Himself, that PROVES you are saved and that you have eternal life.
This verse ALONE defines God's acceptance of you, (Salvation) based on something that He ALONE has caused to happen to you.
Without this, you are lost. But all who have this, and ONLY BECAUSE they have this, are saved and have eternal life.
Its the only proof that a person has Salvation and Eternal Life.
Go read the verse, and find out why all confessing, church membership, penance, water baptism, enduring to the end, holding unto your faith, and bearing "spiritual fruit", are all meaningless to save you or keep you saved or PROVE YOU ARE SAVED.
Go read the verse and find out if you are saved according to JOHN and according to GOD.
As this verse defines the one and only PROOF that absolutely proves you are saved, and do have eternal life.....or not.
Be blessed.
<K><
Its very simple to find out if you are saved and have eternal life.
Do you want to know for sure?
I think you do
So.. First, understand that to be saved IS to have eternal life, and to have eternal life IS to be saved.
They are in fact, the same situation.
One = The other.
Salvation = Eternal Life.
Now....In 1st John, ... John told you that he wrote some things to you so that you could KNOW that you are saved.
And he's not kidding, you can KNOW....and thats why he said you can know.
It is a fact that you can know that you are saved and that you have eternal life.....or not.
John told you so.
Do you believe him?
To understand this, to discover how to understand how to KNOW, (according to John The Apostle) is first to realize that there is only one difference between a lost person, (an unsaved person)......and a saved person.
There is only one difference, and its an ETERNAL DIFFERENCE.
Its a biggie !
So.............Is it their "fruit?
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
Nope.
Wrong answer.
See, you cant judge a person's salvation, .. that is to say, you cant know if a person is saved by their lifestyle ("fruit")......you can only know their lifestyle and then judge them according to that aspect.
But their lifestyle, is no proof of Salvation, its only proof of "fruit".
This explains why you can know THEM by their "fruit", but that is not the same as knowing if they are saved.
Do you see?
Remember, Saint, that "Satan comes as an angel of light", and his followers, his deceived, are often the same.
Listen....here is the thing about Satan.....He wanted to be God, failed, and now he counterfeits the real thing.
He is a really good at doing that.
And so it is on Christian forums, you find counterfeits with their arguments against the very principles of GRACE, trying to substitute everything they can find.... for example.
You find them in the pulpits, you find them on TV.
Spiritual sounding, spiritual doing, well versed in "christianese", but totally counterfeit... totally deceived, and totally trying to deceive you.
So, just as Satan can counterfeit the "gifts of the spirit and the fruit of the spirit", so can a person, so can a denomination....so can a "church".
This is why "knowing them by their fruit", has to be seasoned with the understanding that Satan can get a person to counterfeit spiritual fruit.
And SO, that is why "fruit bearing" and proving Christianity by "works", and all that stuff.....cant really prove Salvation, ....It only proves "fruit".
Wolves in sheep's clothing, are very very skilled at proving "fruit", (good works) and that is because they know you expect it.
So, yep, you can "know them by their fruit", but all you'll know is their "fruit", which does not prove redemption has been applied to them.
So, how do you know if you are saved,?..... As you can never know absolutely if anybody else you know, is saved.
You cant know that, as only God can know that, and they themselves can know it....(according to JOHN).. but not you....you cant absolutely know it about anyone, but yourself.
And so, by what measurement, by what proof, can you "KNOW"< as John said, that YOU are saved and have eternal life.? (Same thing).
Well, its that one thing that i mentioned earlier that separates an unbeliever from a believer.
There is only one thing, and that is found in this verse:
Romans 8:9.
Romans 8:9 is your absolute proof check measurement from God Himself, that PROVES you are saved and that you have eternal life.
This verse ALONE defines God's acceptance of you, (Salvation) based on something that He ALONE has caused to happen to you.
Without this, you are lost. But all who have this, and ONLY BECAUSE they have this, are saved and have eternal life.
Its the only proof that a person has Salvation and Eternal Life.
Go read the verse, and find out why all confessing, church membership, penance, water baptism, enduring to the end, holding unto your faith, and bearing "spiritual fruit", are all meaningless to save you or keep you saved or PROVE YOU ARE SAVED.
Go read the verse and find out if you are saved according to JOHN and according to GOD.
As this verse defines the one and only PROOF that absolutely proves you are saved, and do have eternal life.....or not.
Be blessed.
<K><
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