I feel separated from my youth group, because im gay

[rover]

hi, i just joined, this is my alias account because i dont want people to know who i really am...incase something goes wrong. But yeah im a christian teenager (guy) and im gay. Dont know why God plagued me with this problem, but its so hard...i feel very alone and separated from everyone. What should i do?? its so hard to change, i feel like im fooling myself...

 

[peace4all]

hey, if by chance you live in rochester NY, I know an EXCELLENT youth group (i dont remember if it is protestant or catholic) But they are VERY accepting. My brother who is "searching" now, has gone their alot, his ex gf who is Bi, is a big member there, and there is also a girl that is a complete lesbian. They accepted me (im an atheist) and let me come and listen and talk and hang out. They are really cool.

Normally, you have to find a pretty liberal church (this one has a female pastor, who does an EXCELLENT job IMO)

If you live in the south, I am truly srry, but people there usually are very hateful and discriminatory to people who are diffrent (not all, just a majority, or atleast more than in the north)

Search around. it is nothing to be ashamed of if you are gay. If someone wants to treat you horribly for it, then just remember, you are in God's graces, because you treat fellow man with respect and honor, where as they arent.

(prepares to get scolded by members here)

 

[Windozer]

Hi Rover,

Judging by past activity on this board you are unlikely to find many that will be willing to support you. So before you leave (if that should happen) I want you to know that there are places on the net that will. And if you need to...Send me a message and I will try to help you find such a place.

I expect most (here) to tell you they are willing to love you, but can not accept your package. I am interested in finding out how that will play its self out in respect to just how loved you will feel?

Peace4all I support your attitude in this situation.

 

[Relic]

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Giving up something you are attracted to is not easy.
We all have that problem in one way or another.

Don't think sin isn't one of the most attractive pulls in our lives. Sin is attractive, very very attractive!

Don't let anyone kid you into thinking it is not sin just because you think you are pulled towards it with such a irresistible force.

Do you believe Jesus? Or do you believe the lie of that attractiveness in sin?

If you don't allow Jesus to Rule over that thing you don't want to give up, then what do you expect? You have to give up that something in order to gain freedom from it. That's the whole premise of many of the lessons in the bible.

Nothing happens if you don't look for change. Ask yourself, are you offended by the word repent? If so, then you will never find a solution to this quandary you say you are in.

If you want to keep it, and hold onto it, then what does that say to you?
It says you don't really want to change. Vain requests get you nothing. You have to be serious in wanting to give it up to be free from it.

If you don't want to be freed from it then why are you looking to Christians to help you cope with something that is taught in the bible as being an wrong behavior? You can't expect to get sympathy from those who don't ignore the truths in the bible. You can' only get sympathy from those who ignore the biblical truths. If you refuse to repent of the things that are manifesting as problems in your life, then what do you expect? sympathy and acceptance because you refuse to get out of something that only brings trouble into your life? If you want to remain in the homosexual mindset, then you better be prepared to not be accepted by people who know it as being sin. How can you expect any different? You can't force a wrong mindset to be thought of as a right thing. It just doesn't work that way. No matter how much the homosexual community tries to force their behavior onto the whole of society, they will always find they are in the minority and will not be accepted. They are the minority 10 to 13% out of. If you want to be in the minority, if you don't want to change your mindset, then what do you think your life will be like? You will be no different than the person who refuses to stop being a prostitute, or the person who refuses to stop being a thief, or the person who refuses to stop being a drug addict. It's like saying you are what you are and if you don't like it then too bad, I don't care how much others say it is wrong.

Listen, I've been down that road of living in sin. It is not a good pay off. And if you refuse to believe that, then you are not going to find any help.
You only get help when you want to turn towards that which brings blessings into your life, It means to turn away from the thing that is bringing problems into your life. Homosexuality only works to bring problems into your life. If that's what life style you want to join then I pray for you to see that it doesn't work. You would only find more trouble in that type of life style. Not to even mention the risk of diseases you are playing russian roulette with, and all the promiscuousness amongst the gay community, you must be aware of the risk of injury of a perforated colon can kill you. And at your age, you might be caught in situations were jealous men will be fighting over each other. :-? Let alone going to gay bars when you are older. That scene is nothing but sodom and gomorrah enacted out in public places. Is that what kind of people you want to be around, is that what you want? :-?

Think about it.... To not want to repent, to refuse repentance to be the first step towards making a change in your life.....
That's like going to the Jesus and saying you are a prostitute but you will not stop being a prostitute but you still in spite of His saying to you to go and sin no more, you come right back at him and say please help me be accepted for who I am. I refuse to change and Let you tell me to go and sin no more.

That's like going to the cops and saying you are a thief but you will not stop being a thief but you still saying to them please help me be accepted for who I am taking claim to.

That's like going to a drug rehab center and saying you are a drug addict but you will not stop being a drug addict but you still say to them you want to be accepted for who you are.


IF you truly want to get out of this type of mindset, and are really serious about getting help then you have to not toy with it and you have to be willing to give it up, meaning to repent, to allow repentance to come into your life as the first step towards finding help out of this type of life style, no matter how strong the draw, the pull to stay in it is. We all have a thorn in the side that we must learn to overcome. Let Jesus teach you what it means to be stabbed in the side from the sins of man. How to overcome that sin. He will teach you how to live without giving into that sin that keeps whispering in your ear to follow it. You have a choice, you can either give into the sin or give into Jesus and allow him to steer you away from that life style and mindset, into a place in which you GO and sin no more. He said it to the woman who had many husbands, he will say it to you also. To Go and sin no more. It is up to you to listen to the truth in the Word of Jesus and not what man tells you as if it's okay to continue walking in that sin! Jesus wants you to be free from it, not to walk in it. It is up to you to follow and obey and believe that what Jesus teaches you is truth, not what the pull of those thoughts in your head are trying to do. And you must stop believing these people who tell you it's okay to be living in that sin and come join them in their group that accepts those who are walking and refusing to give up their sinful way of life. They pull you away from Jesus who is telling you to Go and sin no more. You need to read the Words of Jesus and believe and obey him. No one else. Just follow Jesus and your life will change for the better. You must die in "spirit", that old "spirit" of perdition, it must be left behind, and the "new and holy spirit of Christ Jesus" must be what you listen to and follow. Other wise you will be against what he teaches, and that would be living in defiance of the blessings God wants you to have in being whole, to not be lead by the thoughts that bring sin to manifest into your life, instead of blessings God meant for you to have.

If you just want sympathy because you don't want to give it up but only want to be accepted, you are looking in the wrong place. This is a Christian Forum that is not here to promote the gay agenda but to help you overcome the mindset and to be set free from it, not find sympathy or a reason for staying in it.



If you want real help there is help. You have to be persistent in getting it and sticking with it. If you give up then you would not be following the teachings in the bible. It takes a whole lot of persistence and hard work to overcome those things that come to whisper in our ear and try to make us look elsewhere than on the teachings of Christ Jesus.

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Talk to the people over here:
Click this link: Exodus Youth

Remember, if you truly want help in overcoming this mindset/lifestyle, that strong draw towards the same sex, then talk to the people over there and only follow the teachings of Jesus, then go and sin no more.

Exodus Mission Statement
"Proclaiming to, educating and impacting the world with the Biblical truth that freedom from homosexuality is possible when Jesus is Lord of one's life."


Exodus Youth


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[Blazin Bones]

Rover, feel free to IM or PM me anytime. If you think you need to chat, I'll be willing to listen. I also happen to know of a very good message board geared towards teens. :

 

[serephiale]

Cheer Up

I know how it is to feel a bit alone in all this. I'm bi, and I've found that I bewilder some of my closer friends more than another friend of mine who is gay does. Just remember this: "gay" or "bi" or "straight" are merely labels of sexual orientation. Gay is not some all encompassing factor of your identity like some people would have you believe. It is merely a very small part of who you are. As for the people who can't look beyond that, consider yourself blessed. I've frequently found that those are the very type of people it's better I'm not associated with in the first place.

 

[peace4all]

Re: Cheer Up

I know how it is to feel a bit alone in all this. I'm bi, and I've found that I bewilder some of my closer friends more than another friend of mine who is gay does. Just remember this: "gay" or "bi" or "straight" are merely labels of sexual orientation. Gay is not some all encompassing factor of your identity like some people would have you believe. It is merely a very small part of who you are. As for the people who can't look beyond that, consider yourself blessed. I've frequently found that those are the very type of people it's better I'm not associated with in the first place.

exactly. ALot of people think that because someone has a diffrent preference for attraction, means that they are a 100% diffrent person. you can be gay, and still enjoy the most "manly things" in the world (except I guess joining the military, Because we still live in a nation of discrimination) I mean, look at the Gay Rodeo's. Can't get more All American and Manly than that right?

People that won't respect you because of a minor detail like that, are rude inconsiderate people. it stinks that they exist but....

The same thing happens to me, Because I am an atheist. People think that, Because I am an atheist, that I am a bad person, they shouldn't be my friend etc. Its sad, But hey, Its their loss, I have alot to offer and thye are missing out.

 

[Relic]

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To Go and sin no more. It is up to you to listen to the truth in the Word of Jesus and not what man tells you as if it's okay to continue walking in that sin!
Jesus wants you to be free from it, not to walk in it.
It is up to you to follow and obey and believe that what Jesus teaches you is truth, not what the pull of others who are living this lie or the pull of those thoughts in your head are trying to do.

You must stop believing these people who tell you it's okay to be living in that sin and come join them in their group that accepts those who are walking and refusing to give up their sinful way of life. They pull you away from Jesus who is telling you to Go and sin no more.
You need to read the Words of Jesus and believe and obey him. No one else. Just follow Jesus and your life will change for the better.

These are experienced pastors and ex-gays at this web site who deal with your type of situation and can help you,
you can talk to them at this web site. Exodus Youth

You have a choice to listen to a bunch of other teens and others who don't know how to deal with it but to only tell you the lie that Jesus doesn't care if you are gay or not and you can do whatever sin you want and not be held accountable for it. Or you can find a way out of it and be free from it and not be pulled in the wrong direction any longer.
Talk to people who have come out of it and do not regret doing so. Talk to people who know the truth about this type of life style and mindset.

They can help you far more than someone who tells you it is okay to continue walking in that sin. If you want to be free from it click on this link and contact them.
Talk to the people over here:
Click this link:

Exodus Youth


I'm not judging you. I've been there! I know what hell it is to be pulled in the wrong direction and I know how wrong it is for others to tell you it's okay and they will listen to you and give you better advise than a person who has come out of it! Joining a group that encourages you to stay in this life style is no solution. To listen to those thoughts that are contrary to what the truth of God's Holy Word says about this kind of life style is just not going to help your matter get any better.

Talk to the people over here:
Click this link:
Exodus Youth
also
Exodus Youth links of importance

and here is another place you can get help:

http://www.livehope.org



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[Relic]

Re: Cheer Up

I know how it is to feel a bit alone in all this. I'm bi, and I've found that I bewilder some of my closer friends more than another friend of mine who is gay does. Just remember this: "gay" or "bi" or "straight" are merely labels of sexual orientation. Gay is not some all encompassing factor of your identity like some people would have you believe. It is merely a very small part of who you are. As for the people who can't look beyond that, consider yourself blessed. I've frequently found that those are the very type of people it's better I'm not associated with in the first place.

Sorry sweetie, you are living a lie. You are in denial of the truth. Been there! I know what a lie it is to believe the gay and bi mindset. It is an outright lie and you have bought into it. It is ignoring the truth and being convinced of a lie as if it were not.

Where in the bible does it say it's okay to lie with the same sex? If you think it is okay to walk in your sin without any intention of turning away from it you are sadly mistaken.

You need to talk to the people over there also.


I'll say it again.
I'm not judging you. I've been there! I know what hell it is to be pulled in the wrong direction and I know how wrong it is for others to tell you it's okay and they will listen to you and give you better advise than a person who has come out of it! Joining a group that encourages you to stay in this life style is no solution. To listen to those thoughts that are contrary to what the truth of God's Holy Word says about this kind of life style is just not going to help your matter get any better.

Talk to the people over here:
Click this link:
Exodus Youth
also
Exodus Youth links of importance


and here is another place you can get help:

http://www.livehope.org/

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[Relic]

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Changing Lives through the Power of Christ

Answers to Questions Most Asked by Youth in Recovery

excerpt:

4. Do any other Christians struggle with this issue?

Yes, many.

Unfortunately, the atmosphere in most churches does not encourage openness and truthfulness in being able to talk about this issue.

Many Christians struggle with sexual brokenness of all kinds. Your struggle just happens to be same-gender brokenness.

5. Is there really hope for healing?

YES! Those pursuing healing from homosexuality have a higher success rate than those in recovery groups dealing with alcoholism, drug abuse, etc. Historically, there were even former homosexuals in the church at Corinth (1 Cor. 6:11). For modern-day stories of hope and healing, see:


Portraits of Freedom by Bob Davies
Exodus International website: http://exodus.to (click on Testimonies)
Stonewall Revisited: http://www.stonewallrevisited.com testimonies
Portland Fellowship http://www.portlandfellowship.com testimonies

6. What does healing look like?

Let’s define the term “healing.†You can’t equate healing with never again struggling. That would be the perfection of heaven, and no one on earth is there yet. No one still on earth experiences perfect healing.

Healing is not the absence of temptation. It is better defined as moving to the place where your struggle no longer a life-controlling issue.

We like to use the word “manage.†You know where your SSA comes from, you know who you are, so you learn to manage your feelings and temptations. When you manage it long enough, it becomes second nature to you. It’s getting in the habit of using your will to choose what is right and good instead of what appeals to your broken flesh. It means we choose to live by our morals and values rather than be driven by our feelings.

When the lure of that sin is no stronger than the lure of any other thing that tempts you, you are experiencing healing.

Healing does not mean that you are not tempted, or that you are beyond giving into temptations, but that you now have the freedom to choose to stand and resist them successfully. It also means that the temptations grow less intense and powerful.

The ultimate goal is holy heterosexuality. That means understanding God’s design for man and woman as complementary to each other, cooperating with God in emotional and spiritual healing, so that He can uncover your God-created heterosexuality. This may or may not include marriage. Jesus specifically mentioned that some are called to celibacy. (Matt 19:10-12; see also 1 Cor 7:7-9)

An important part of healing is embracing an accurate identity: knowing who you are in relationship to a holy God and His people. Learning who we are in Christ happens in the context of a personal relationship with God and in community. Learning that we are created to be heterosexual is a part of that identity. We choose to see ourselves and live according to how Christ defines us, not according to how we view ourselves or our temptations.

7. Why does it take so long to heal?

First, it took you a long time to get to the point you are. It takes a long time to deal with the things that happened.

Second, we live in a culture of instant, “take a pill and fix it now†mentality. We can get unnecessarily frustrated because of unrealistic expectations.

Deliverance ministries can encourage the unrealistic hope that we can experience instant healing without crucifying the flesh. (We aren’t saying instantaneous healing never happens, but it’s not the way God usually brings it.) Or that there is demon of homosexuality that can be cast out and POOF! your troubles are over. It doesn’t work that way.

We are dealing with strongholds, areas where we have given the enemy a legitimate place in our lives. Total surrender and renouncing those strongholds is a hard blow to our flesh, and it’s usually not instantaneous.

8. So do I focus on being "straight?"

No, you focus on Jesus and your relationship with Him, and who you are in Him. Then He will take care of your sexual orientation.

You can’t talk yourself into being straight. You don’t have that kind of power. Only Jesus does.

© 2005 Living Hope Ministries
Arlington, Texas



Read the rest of the questions and answers for 1 through 3 and 9 through 22 for Youths who are in Recovery over at the web site:

Print out the whole Q & A article over there and read it thoroughly.

http://www.livehope.org


also
Exodus Youth links of importance

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[Blazin Bones]

Okay, before this gets out of hand. If you are over the age of 18, please stop posting in this thread. I will not let this person's request for help become a boxing match.

 

[Relic]

Okay, before this gets out of hand. If you are over the age of 18, please stop posting in this thread. I will not let this person's request for help become a boxing match.

And you are the only one who is over 18 allowed to post in this thread? :o
Since when is that the rule of this board? :-? I don't think you are the only one over the age of 18 that should be in supervision of giving advice or talking to all these teens. Other adults should have a say when they are being lead astray. Gods' Holy Word is not to be mocked. If a person wants to truly get close to God they will give their life to Christ Jesus and stop listening to the poor advice of people who encourage them not find a way of freedom from that type of mindset. Jesus does not encourage walking in sin. He wants to set you free from it to no longer walk in it. It takes much effort to overcome. The references I provided are of tremendous help to those who need help. I encourage rover, and others with the same problem to seek out help from those "experienced" pastors and "ex"-gays from those web site links I provided above.

If I see a teen being encouraged in the wrong direction I'm going to step in and let them know whether they are being encouraged with lies or with truth. It is our duty as Christians to step in and intervene when someone is being lead astray.
If teens reach out for help and get only one side of the story in that they are encouraged to continue to walk in their sin, then that is no help at all.

I posted truth and a lot of good references for this person and anyone else to look into and the truth and answers to overcome. God's holy word does not encourage same sex relationships. It is against them. SO I don't see anything wrong with posting messages that encourage the renewing of the mind through Christ teachings to Go and sin no more. To follow him and to be free from sin, not to walk in it.

Those links I provided are there for help to finding freedom from homosexuality. That is the Christian thing to do for a brother in need.
Encouraging the practice is not what scriptures teach. Romans 1:20-32 is proof enough to show that.
Here is an article to read on Helping Teens Understand Homosexuality

rover, just follow those links and you will find some really good recovery groups that help you overcome that mindset and lifestyle.[/u] We must seek to overcome our sins, not to continue to walk in them. I say this in love. not in condemnation of anyone.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I don't ever intend to create a problem. It is not my intention. If others post here to encourage his continuance in that kind of mindset, it is not my fault. That is not the kind of encouragement God intends for anyone to receive. Jesus says to follow Him, not the advice of man.
My intention is to help teens find an answer to a problem that living a lie is not the answer to a better way. Jesus would not want him to follow a lie but to follow truth.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

Believe Jesus only.

Follow Jesus.


Peace.

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[peace4all]

I am 18, Am I allowed to post still?

I was an active member in my schools Gay Straight Alliance.

I have shown nothing but helpfullness to this guy, that obviously is suffering from probable discrimination and faith-based hate...

Is it 18+ (including 18) or is it <18 ???

 

[Blazin Bones]

Okay, before this gets out of hand. If you are over the age of 18, please stop posting in this thread. I will not let this person's request for help become a boxing match.

And you are the only one who is over 18 allowed to post in this thread? :o
Since when is that the rule of this board? :-? I don't think you are the only one over the age of 18 that should be in supervision of giving advice or talking to all these teens. Other adults should have a say when they are being lead astray. Gods' Holy Word is not to be mocked. If a person wants to truly get close to God they will give their life to Christ Jesus and stop listening to the poor advice of people who encourage them not find a way of freedom from that type of mindset. Jesus does not encourage walking in sin. He wants to set you free from it to no longer walk in it. It takes much effort to overcome. The references I provided are of tremendous help to those who need help. I encourage rover, and others with the same problem to seek out help from those "experienced" pastors and "ex"-gays from those web site links I provided above.

Relic, I am not the only user over 18 allowed to post in this forum. However, when a situation arises that shows that our users over 18 can not help but debate, I can and I will ask the adults users to refrain from posting.

Besides, Relic, Posting isn't the only way to talk with this young man. PM's are rather handy, and in this case, to prevent open debate in a thread not intended for debate, an adult user should PM the user.

Finally, I was the adult asked to prevent other adults from making this section another section for debate. Again, if you would like to talk with rover about this issue, PM him.

 

[Blazin Bones]

I am 18, Am I allowed to post still?

I was an active member in my schools Gay Straight Alliance.

I have shown nothing but helpfullness to this guy, that obviously is suffering from probable discrimination and faith-based hate...

Is it 18+ (including 18) or is it <18 ???

Yes, as we do allow teens to post in the teen forum. I realize that you are doing what anyone, Christian or not, should try to do. You offer your opinion, and let rover go from there.

 

[peace4all]

hey Rover, If you can update me with your situation again (so i know you havent been scared off the forums or anythign either) I would definately be glad to help you out anymore if you are liking my opinions and thoughts about it. If you would prefer to go the other path, with Relic, go ahead and PM him too.

As long as you are getting help feeling better, thats all that matters.

 

[rover]

hi guys,
thanks guys for your replies, and thank you Relic for your words of "encouragement." =P I will by no means argue with you Relic, because i do beleive in what you say. Besides...im only a stupid kid =P, what would i know about these things ay?. But...issues like these are hard to deal with and you make it sound like i can suddenly just change, ive heard people say "repent" "follow Jesus....blah blah blah" and ive tried too, but it feels as if God has distant himself from me...maybe im not trying hard enough? Also ive always got this feeling that im just fooling myself and betraying my identity. I feel fake around people when i try to act straight or have the mindset of a straight guy...it just doesnt feel like im being me. Also i dont like the way you've stereotyped me already, we're not all perverted promiscuous beings...

"If you want to remain in the homosexual mindset, then you better be prepared to not be accepted by people who know it as being sin. How can you expect any different?"

You do have a point and your probably right...but its comments like these that makes us even more insecure and less open to other christians. So suddenly im cut off from Gods people, arent you supposed to hate the sin not the sinner? We all have our own demons to face...

 

[Relic]

hi guys,
thanks guys for your replies, and thank you Relic for your words of "encouragement." =P I will by no means argue with you Relic, because i do beleive in what you say. Besides...im only a stupid kid =P, what would i know about these things ay?. But...issues like these are hard to deal with and you make it sound like i can suddenly just change, ive heard people say "repent" "follow Jesus....blah blah blah" and ive tried too, but it feels as if God has distant himself from me...maybe im not trying hard enough? Also ive always got this feeling that im just fooling myself and betraying my identity. I feel fake around people when i try to act straight or have the mindset of a straight guy...it just doesnt feel like im being me. Also i dont like the way you've stereotyped me already, we're not all perverted promiscuous beings...

"If you want to remain in the homosexual mindset, then you better be prepared to not be accepted by people who know it as being sin. How can you expect any different?"

You do have a point and your probably right...but its comments like these that makes us even more insecure and less open to other christians. So suddenly im cut off from Gods people, arent you supposed to hate the sin not the sinner? We all have our own demons to face...

"If you want to remain in the homosexual mindset, then you better be prepared to not be accepted by people who know it as being sin. How can you expect any different?"

I meant the statement in the above quote no differently than If I would have said to a Republican, What do you expect if you are going to be in a room full of Democrats?

There was no hate directed at you as a human being, not at all. And please don't skim the messages I gave for you to read, they were important that you ponder on what is being said, for your benefit. You can't skim something and think you will get the full benefit from it. I can tell you skimmed because of what you came back in your reply saying that I make it sound like i can suddenly just change. That is not what I wrote rover.
I posted an excerpt of an article in which it clearly states in item #7 that
It takes a long time to deal with the things that happened.

You weren't paying attention rover. :-? You can't skim and expect that you have grasped fully what I wrote to you and provided for you to read.

And yes, I agree, we all have our demons to face. But it is Jesus who gives us a way to overcome our individual Goliaths. Jesus gives us a way to resist temptation. Temptation is not easy to overcome. It is an attraction. Do you see that? To be Tempted is an attractive thing. And just because something is very very attractive, does not mean it is always good for us. The Holy Word of God teaches us to decern the difference between those things that are good for us and those things which are not and will eventually if not sooner end up in consequences we find very disturbing. Don't you see?
The Holy Word of God teaches us to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. That means we are to learn how to distinguish between something that presents itself to us as very very attractive but the root core of it is not what it appears to be on the outside. There are many people and things that present themselves to us as temptations. We must be careful to not let our emotions and eyes be our guide. We must only trust in the HOLY Word of God which leads us not into temptation but delivers us from evil. Remember the Lords prayer? It really does speak loads of meaning full truth and should never be taken for granted but be used as a tool of the absolute truth that leads us and guides us away from harm and keeps us focused on the truth and love God intends for us.

You must study the bible to continue learning how the HOLY Word of God is for your benefit and how to quote certain scriptures to keep you safe and away from those things which try to lead us astray and away from the protection the Word of God gives to us. WE have to APPLY the Holy positive scriptures in our every day lives.


Learn the names of God and believe the descriptions of them. Each and every day you look at those names that describe the characteristics of God you take claim to it for your own each and every day, and each and every minute of your waking life. You have to make God your best friend. How can you have Him as your Loving Father and best friend if you don't know him as much as you should? click here:Names of God And think how amazing it is that GOD IS ALL THAT AND MORE Just For that Sake of His Children on earth. And you and I and every single human being who accepts HIS WORDS as Truth and applies them in their daily lives will benefit from those truths.
How can anyone expect to benefit from them IF they don't use them and apply them into their own lives on a daily basis? That's like saying vitamins are good for you and they are beneficial but you don't take them and it really doesn't matter. You think you will still get the benefit from the vitamins if you don't take them? :-?

Think about it.

And Please rover, Do read the articles I posted in those messages in the previous posts I provided for you, and go to those web sites and check them out and get involved over there. If you don't take the vitamin you won't benefit. This should be your motto for a while: If you don't take the vitamin you won't benefit. Same is true for the Word of God. Apply it, You have to apply it in order to benefit from it.

Read those articles I posted before and go to those web sites and get involved with the people over there who have been through very similar emotions and thoughts that you have been dealing with. They have been there and know how to deal with answers to situations in which you are still searching. I know you are still searching, you wouldn't have come here and posted if you weren't. That place even has a forum to talk about it. Don't let people pull you away from God with lies about what God really wants for you in your life. He loves you rover. Don't let lies steal what God wants for all of his children. He loves us all too much to not want you to know.
It is when we ignore the truth of God that grieves His Holy Spirit. And you wonder about God being distant from you? Well, Remember the story about the prodigal son?
When we ignore God and do our own thing giving into every temptation that comes our way because the pull is so strong we are then in opposition to His truth and in so doing we are then telling God his truth is not as important to us our attraction to something else, whatever it is.
[color]IF we get hooked by every attraction that comes before our minds eye, then what do you think we are saying to God about the truth he teaches us as we grow more and more in learning His Holy Word? If we ignore it we are going to get the consequences of ignoring the Wisdom of God. Do you see what I am relaying to you?


rover, it is not easy and it will not happen overnight. Give God time to work His Holy word into your heart. You have to apply it. And be involved with people who have been through what you have been and have gotten through it and have learned how to deal with it affectively, there are people at that web site that can help you understand more.
If you don't take the vitamin you won't benefit. Same is true for the Word of God.
Do you see, you have to study and apply the word of God into your life ?

Please do read the articles I posted and go to the links and get involved at those web sites. There are people who have been through what you are. Will you please give them a chance to talk to you and help you? It takes time rover, it isn't a snap quick change. it takes time and you have to let others help you learn what is going on and what can be done. They can help you find the root of it. And come out of it all the wiser and better for it. YOU WILL BENEFIT IF you are willing to apply.

Remember the motto rover,


If you don't take the vitamin you won't benefit. Same is true for the Word of God.
You have to study and apply the word of God into your life.

You are in my prayers. God bless you.

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[rover]

Relic if you want the honest truth, yes, i did skim through your msgs. But keep in mind that im just a kid, i dont like to read that much...it bores me. I pay more attention to small msgs then on msgs that drag on and on and on and on..... :o Yes im sorry i have just overlooked your msgs...i have re-read them and taken them to heart. Thanks for your help, ill try and apply your advice into my life. :angel:

 

[Christ's Lil' Headbanger]

hi, i just joined, this is my alias account because i dont want people to know who i really am...incase something goes wrong. But yeah im a christian teenager (guy) and im gay. Dont know why God plagued me with this problem, but its so hard...i feel very alone and separated from everyone. What should i do?? its so hard to change, i feel like im fooling myself...

I don't want to accuse you of being a sinner, and scream at you to repent like some people here... But the Bible says it is wrong to be gay. Now, don't just think I'm a lunatic who doesn't understand and stop reading... But we are all sinners! Disrespecting your parents is just and much a sin as being gay! So don't feel like you're the worst person in the world or anything!!! Whether you seek to stop being gay, or you decide to pretend it's ok and embrace it, either way God is still gonna love you! I'm not saying this isn't an important issue, but don't hate yourself! (or those around you for not 'understanding') I'm just offering some encouragement to keep on living and know that no matter what your youth group says God will still love so it doesn't matter!

My advice would be to try to stop being gay, but of course you may not agree - at least keep your chin up no matter what.