[__ Prayer __] I hate God

[matt1917]

God doesn't want people to be enslaved to the devil.

God watches Satan do all his wicked deeds and has the power to bind him and put him somewhere that he can't tempt, deceive, or hurt anyone, and God refuses to do so, making him partially responsible!

In the book of Job, before the Devil could kill Jobs family and afflict him with diseases, he had to get God's permission. God is permitting the Devil to do every thing he does. God knew the Devil would be a lying, murdering, monster before he ever made him.

If God was so appalled with the Devil's behavior, he could just have never made Him in the first place or incarcerate him.

By creating the Devil and permitting the Devil to have power to do what He does, God is partially responsible for his behavior. I don't see why this is so difficult for anyone to understand.

People act like God cries crocodile tears and is so offended and outraged by all this Demonic activity. If it bothered him so much he could make it stop at any time.

I liked the rest of your post though. God bless you brother!

 

[matt1917]

As you have probably determined by now, you are more than likely demon-possessed. Many Christians believe it is impossible to be genuinely saved and at the same time demon-possessed. I strongly disagree. I have witnessed evidence to the contrary. You need deliverance. Remember that Jesus Himself came to the Demoniac and delivered him (Mark chapter 5). What Christian works was the Demoniac man capable of? Did he earn deliverance? No, he did not. Was he crying out to God for deliverance in his tormented state. Yes, more than likely. Christ Himself can appear to you and set you free, or he can send someone to you and set you free. But there remains the possibility that you are not genuinely saved. By that I am referring to being "born again" in Christ. I think it important that Christians understand that we should not be seeking deliverance from torment first and foremost; we should be seeking to love the Lord and seeking his Kingdom first. But how can you love the love the Lord if you are not genuinely saved? If you are genuinely saved (justified in the work of the cross), then are you asking the Lord to remove the hate you have for Him and replace it with God-endowed love? If not, then you had better do that now.

I had a relative that was being mentally tormented by devils. She was genuinely possessed. Another relative went on a fast and then prayed for her. Those devils spoke through this tormented relative--saying things that this relative could not have possibly known--and her eyes transformed and looked like the eyes of a wolf. The devil(s) called itself the "strongman" but eventually came out and the relative was delivered from her torment. God still delivers. You and this relative are "cut from the same cloth." She was no more deserving of deliverance than you are. However, she did believe that God could and would deliver her. What are you believing? If you believe not that God can and will deliver you, then I believe your situation will not improve. The greater your deliverance, the greater your testimony. You had better not try to kill yourself. You will end up in hell. At least you are not deceived in believing nothing horrifying awaits you if you do kill yourself. Your fear of killing yourself and what awaits such an action strongly suggests your situation is not hopeless. I will pray for you.

I'm born again, have accepted Jesus as my Lord and savior, read the Bible, pray all the time for God's will to be done...but am probably possessed by Satan as well.

 

[smaller]

God watches Satan do all his wicked deeds and has the power to bind him and put him somewhere that he can't tempt, deceive, or hurt anyone, and God refuses to do so, making him partially responsible.

God did this with Divine Purposes:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

We may not care for what God did, but here we are, thusly bound, regardless. Gods Mercy is not a BAD matter to "encounter." And being purposefully put in a position of NEED of Mercy in order to receive same is not a bad thing either.

His Mercy endures forever.

In the book of Job, before the Devil could kill Jobs family and afflict him with diseases, he had to get God's permission. God is permitting the Devil to do every thing he does. God knew the Devil would be a lying, murdering, monster before he ever made him.

Job didn't bother blaming the devil. Job KNEW who he received evil from:

Job 2:10
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job 42:
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him -

If God was so appalled with the Devil's behavior, he could just have never made Him in the first place or incarcerate him.

Evil "entities" serve Gods Own Purposes. Rev. 4:12

If we are bound/exposed to internal evil as a contrast, a resistance, an 'exercise' in order to strain to do good against that alternative, it harms us nothing in the long term. Even though we all suffer under it in some ways in the short term. I know for a certain FACT that every poster at this board has sin, has sinned, and "our sin" is also for no uncertain fact, OF THE DEVIL. 1 John 3:8. So don't let all the "possession" nonsense throw your mind. You know what's going on. I recognize someone who hears from Gods Words. YOU HEAR. Just that means the Holy Spirit is helping you already: 1 Cor. 12:3

By creating the Devil and permitting the Devil to have power to do what He does, God is partially responsible for his behavior. I don't see why this is so difficult for anyone to understand.

God is ENTIRELY responsible. I don't "let God off the hook" for the creation and deployments of evil beings. There is no reason to extract Him from these equations. We just have to understand that God IS Greater than 'all things.' And that 'all things' DO serve His Purposes.

A lot of (believers) try to insulate God from the creation of evil entities, the devil and his messengers, or from evil acts. I see no need for beating around the bush. The Bible doesn't provide that kind of insulation for God. It tells us that He Is Greater than 'all things.' Even the sum of 'all things.'

Can God make GOOD come of evil? Assuredly so.

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

And "how" do we make this determination? Because God is Greater.

But we should not seek to be "led" around by evil as its pawn. Simple realization of our condition and the desires to operate AGAINST that working is sufficient to not be "its pawn." We just can't say we don't have "evil present" to deal with, internally, or we are turned into liars and thusly pawns in lying, by that evil. Romans 7:21.

Paul actually claimed to be the worst sinner on earth, AFTER salvation. 1 Tim. 1:15. Paul, an APOSTLE no less, even had a "messenger of Satan" in his own flesh. I can only imagine how much internal evil and grief that condition brought to him. 2 Cor. 12:7. I do NOT think Paul was "an external pawn" of evil and I also think he REIGNED over that evil present with him. But it's a grief, nevertheless.

People act like God cries crocodile tears and is so offended and outraged by all this Demonic activity. If it bothered him so much he could make it stop at any time.

There really are better explanations. IF, by having to deal with the devil, with evil, we engage HOPE for the ending of these things, not only for ourselves, but for ALL, by the power of God, which IS a promise of the Gospel, that HOPE is not a bad thing either. Nor is the experience of Gods Mercy in Christ a bad thing.

Eternity is a long time:

Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Buck up. Fasten yer seat belt and put on yer armor. You ARE here for a reason. A good reason. In the end, a PERFECT REASON.

We may not see it all or everything now and that's OK. God commanded LIGHT to shine from DARKNESS. Not only when we look up at night at the stars, but the same sight is available, INTERNALLY.

There is not a question or claim that you've put up that I haven't put under deep considerations myself. So you're not alone.

When I need help, I do pray for help. And I usually get help. Not always and not always immediately. But I've learned to be patient and that ain't a bad thing either.

You have my prayers for a touch of the Love of God in Christ, in your heart, for comfort. Ask. Wait upon Him. Expect receipt. It will be answered, if not already. Seek His Peace. It's real.

 

[matt1917]

God did this with Divine Purposes:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

We may not care for what God did, but here we are, thusly bound, regardless. Gods Mercy is not a BAD matter to "encounter." And being purposefully put in a position of NEED of Mercy in order to receive same is not a bad thing either.

His Mercy endures forever.


Job didn't bother blaming the devil. Job KNEW who he received evil from:

Job 2:10
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job 42:
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him -


Evil "entities" serve Gods Own Purposes. Rev. 4:12

If we are bound/exposed to internal evil as a contrast, a resistance, an 'exercise' in order to strain to do good against that alternative, it harms us nothing in the long term. Even though we all suffer under it in some ways in the short term. I know for a certain FACT that every poster at this board has sin, has sinned, and "our sin" is also for no uncertain fact, OF THE DEVIL. 1 John 3:8. So don't let all the "possession" nonsense throw your mind. You know what's going on. I recognize someone who hears from Gods Words. YOU HEAR. Just that means the Holy Spirit is helping you already: 1 Cor. 12:3


God is ENTIRELY responsible. I don't "let God off the hook" for the creation and deployments of evil beings. There is no reason to extract Him from these equations. We just have to understand that God IS Greater than 'all things.' And that 'all things' DO serve His Purposes.

A lot of (believers) try to insulate God from the creation of evil entities, the devil and his messengers, or from evil acts. I see no need for beating around the bush. The Bible doesn't provide that kind of insulation for God. It tells us that He Is Greater than 'all things.' Even the sum of 'all things.'

Can God make GOOD come of evil? Assuredly so.

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

And "how" do we make this determination? Because God is Greater.

But we should not seek to be "led" around by evil as its pawn. Simple realization of our condition and the desires to operate AGAINST that working is sufficient to not be "its pawn." We just can't say we don't have "evil present" to deal with, internally, or we are turned into liars and thusly pawns in lying, by that evil. Romans 7:21.

Paul actually claimed to be the worst sinner on earth, AFTER salvation. 1 Tim. 1:15. Paul, an APOSTLE no less, even had a "messenger of Satan" in his own flesh. I can only imagine how much internal evil and grief that condition brought to him. 2 Cor. 12:7. I do NOT think Paul was "an external pawn" of evil and I also think he REIGNED over that evil present with him. But it's a grief, nevertheless.


There really are better explanations. IF, by having to deal with the devil, with evil, we engage HOPE for the ending of these things, not only for ourselves, but for ALL, by the power of God, which IS a promise of the Gospel, that HOPE is not a bad thing either. Nor is the experience of Gods Mercy in Christ a bad thing.

Eternity is a long time:

Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Buck up. Fasten yer seat belt and put on yer armor. You ARE here for a reason. A good reason. In the end, a PERFECT REASON.

We may not see it all or everything now and that's OK. God commanded LIGHT to shine from DARKNESS. Not only when we look up at night at the stars, but the same sight is available, INTERNALLY.

There is not a question or claim that you've put up that I haven't put under deep considerations myself. So you're not alone.

When I need help, I do pray for help. And I usually get help. Not always and not always immediately. But I've learned to be patient and that ain't a bad thing either.

You have my prayers for a touch of the Love of God in Christ, in your heart, for comfort. Ask. Wait upon Him. Expect receipt. It will be answered, if not already. Seek His Peace. It's real.

You seem to have a good understanding of who is behind all this evil and demonic activity. Few Christians understand that mystery. Yes, God is entirely responsible
Regarding the Antichrist, Scripture says
Daniel 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

So, he overpowers God's people. I wonder who delivers the Holy people into his hands?? and wants the Antichrist to reign...none other than God. No one can rule the world without God wanting them to. No one can rule the world without God helping them do so. It is all part of God's plan. The Devil has no power God hasn't given him or wants him to have.

Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but at the same time needs God's permission to do everything he does. So, the Devil steals, kills, deceives, and destroys because God wants him to. You seem to understand that. Congratulations!

 

[matt1917]

God wanted His only son to be brutally tortured and executed. God wanted Jobs family to be destroyed and Job's body to be afflicted with diseases and sores. God wanted the Apostles and early Christians to be persecuted, tortured, and executed. God wants people to be cursed with original sin and be spiritually blind and deaf. It's all part of the plan, and it entertains and glorifies him. The Devil and the forces of darkness glorify and entertain God. There is a purpose for Satan and He is doing his job or God would shackle him and lock him away. Satan is God's defeated slave, forced to bend the knee and do all God commands him to do.

 

[smaller]

You seem to have a good understanding of who is behind all this evil and demonic activity. Few Christians understand that mystery. Yes, God is entirely responsible
Regarding the Antichrist, Scripture says
Daniel 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

So, he overpowers God's people. I wonder who delivers the Holy people into his hands?? and wants the Antichrist to reign...none other than God. No one can rule the world without God wanting them to. No one can rule the world without God helping them do so. It is all part of God's plan. The Devil has no power God hasn't given him or wants him to have.

Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but at the same time needs God's permission to do everything he does. So, the Devil steals, kills, deceives, and destroys because God wants him to. You seem to understand that. Congratulations!

Paul gets into this matter at a personal level in 1 Cor. 15:42-46, showing that we, in the natural man or flesh condition are planted in weakness, dishonor and corruption. That is Gods Way. First the natural, then, afterwards, the spiritual.

That's also why Jesus likens our state to "seed," planted and growing in the "darkness" of the earth, our clay bodies, springing UP to see our reality, obtaining quite entirely "unmerited" Grace from God IN such sights, and thusly Divine Mercy understanding.

God doesn't necessarily 'care' for the darkness of this earth we are planted in, but what GROWS from it. And that, even to us, can taste (in the spiritual senses) exceptionally sweet, when we "turn" our faces in that direction, HIS Direction:

1 John 4:
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

I might even think Gods Love enjoys the "challenges" of shining in us, in this present darkness and wicked age. It's not like He Himself is not "with us also" in the events:

Isaiah 49:13
Shout for joy, you heavens; rejoice, you earth; burst into song, you mountains! For the Lord comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones.

Isaiah 63:9
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Isaiah 58:10
And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day:

God also takes particular pleasures in and with those that don't LIE about these facts, both personally and in observations of the wicked world, in general:

Isaiah 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[matt1917]

I prayed for the grace to be God's obedient servant. I can't do that when he leaves me confused as ****. I asked God to guide all my thoughts and actions and make me his obedient puppet always serving and obeying him. Will he grant my prayer?

 

[brother Paul]

Keep prayerfully reading and trying to apply His word and keep trusting Him regardless of your circumstance as Jesus died for you and rose from the dead to show He had the power over that as well. Look forward to your glorification when you will have fulfilled healing and then all you went through will seem okay. Also from a biological perspective take at least a multivitamin every day...the B's help heal amd sustain the nervous system and the E helps with the steady flow of the synapse (we are fearfully and wonderfully made). Praying as well. Your story breaks my heart because my son, my only son, also is diagnosed as mildly schizophrenic and he has lost his faith...but despite your thoughts repress all actions you know are not good or healthy and if any voices tell you otherwise rebuke them and do what is good or healthy anyway.

I also will pray for you....

 

[Edward]

I prayed for the grace to be God's obedient servant. I can't do that when he leaves me confused as ****. I asked God to guide all my thoughts and actions and make me his obedient puppet always serving and obeying him. Will he grant my prayer?

You don't have to be able to understand God to trust him.

You do need to input his word into your head though. Then the Holy Spirit has some seeds to come water.

You can learn and grow, how to say... subconsciously? In your spirit. We're not conscious of our spirit, but he's conscious. The Holy Spirit will bear witness to our spirit man, and we don't even realize it consciously.

 

[LovethroughDove]

God wanted His only son to be brutally tortured and executed. God wanted Jobs family to be destroyed and Job's body to be afflicted with diseases and sores. God wanted the Apostles and early Christians to be persecuted, tortured, and executed. God wants people to be cursed with original sin and be spiritually blind and deaf. It's all part of the plan, and it entertains and glorifies him. The Devil and the forces of darkness glorify and entertain God. There is a purpose for Satan and He is doing his job or God would shackle him and lock him away. Satan is God's defeated slave, forced to bend the knee and do all God commands him to do.

My understanding of who God is, is completely different.
1. God has given everything to his Son. Jesus took on all the evil towards his physical and emotional body. Everything that hates God came against Jesus and Jesus wins.
2. Job is with God currently! He wins.
3. Jesus refers to the world as a field that God has planted. God knows he will receive a harvest of righteousness from it. We are his field and "yes" evil grows along the side of those who he plans to harvest into his barn.
4. The Devil has been given the world, but the world is only temporary and so is the Devil's world. Those of us who love God, know that where God resides is what we look towards.

 

[smaller]

I prayed for the grace to be God's obedient servant. I can't do that when he leaves me confused as ****. I asked God to guide all my thoughts and actions and make me his obedient puppet always serving and obeying him. Will he grant my prayer?

In honesty Matt, Jesus gives us a path to divide ourselves from evil. But that doesn't mean we don't have to contend with it, internally, because we all do.

Consider that the path of "division" is laid before us all. And that path is sound. Follow good. Don't listen to the balance, even if it's there to contend with.

Paul described the "sin" that dwelt in his own flesh as NO MORE I. And he isolated himself from that, knowing it was not him, refusing to be "it's" slave. Romans 7:17-21.

The path of division is given to us by Paul in Romans 13:8-10. It's easy. It's LIGHT. It is NOT cumbersome or burdensome.

When "my own thoughts" get out of line, I consider them a foreign intrusion, and apply the "threat and reminder of hell," forthcoming, to that attack, that working that is "NO MORE I." I've found it somewhat effective in "alienating" that attack.

I call it an internal FIRE WALL.

 

[daninthelionsden]

After the numerous childhood assaults I endured...sexual/physical/emotional/psychological...you name it.... resulted in a failed suicide attempt, I too hated God. As the years peeled away ,and as I continued my journey toward Christ, my hate turned to anger then my anger turned to confusion then my confusion became acceptance and finally my acceptance became love for Him. It is a journey. It is a very difficult one by the worlds standards. Satan will tell you that you are giving up everything for nothing if you follow Christ. But I know I gave up nothing and gained everything. Not by the world's standards, but by God's.

 

[matt1917]

Jesus, son of David, have mercy!