The baker that this is speaking of didn't just think his cake decorations would be used to celebrate a gay wedding. He knew it because the buyers told him that is what they wanted.
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"If selling a wedding cake to a gay couple means the "Christian" baker participated?"
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Razeontherock
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Right, as would always be the case. A wedding cake of all things would make that obvious, right?
Which raises the case of the florist we know was not discriminating against anybody because she sold the same couple flowers for years. She couldn't in good conscience be the florist for their wedding, and gave them a referral to someone she knew wanted their business. That seems ethical beyond reproach to me!
While I don't know the final outcome of that case, I'm sure that before I ever heard about it, it must have cost them a ton in legal fees. That's just evil.
th1b.taylor
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And off subject comment has what to do with the empowering of two known, self professed sinners. Guns of any sort is a lame excuse to try to shut people that try to live for YHWH and to never dishonor Him. Do we always make it, certainly, none of us are Jesus but, rather, we seek after it and continue to seek it. Homosexuality is a sin, an abomination to YHWH and you stand with YHWH or you, by default, stand against against Him and nobody want the result of that determination, not if they are sane.
Edward
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It seems to me that there's a poster or two in this thread that hasn't really studied the destruction of Sodom & Gommorah very much. It seems to me that they were not destroyed because of the sodomites there! Those cities were destroyed because of the righteous people who lived there, who accepted the sodomites without rebuke.
Study it out, you'll see. There were righteous people there, Lot and his family for instance.
Like one wise poster put it, you're either with Jesus or against Him.
Study it out, you'll see. There were righteous people there, Lot and his family for instance.
Like one wise poster put it, you're either with Jesus or against Him.
That explanation of Sodom and Gammorah does not jive. God was asked to spare the city even if He found a small portion of the population who followed Him. It ultimately came down to just Lot and his wife, who still ended up looking back and was turned into a pillar of salt. If there had been even a few more people God was willing to spare the cities. So it really came down the those in the town that had completely turned their backs on God and lived sinful lives. Not because of the people in the town that may have been righteous (which is impossible, as there were none, including Lot and his wife), but because of those who were not righteous and were unwilling to repent.
Northman
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Now that's something I've never ever seen at a wedding.
Northman
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I am sorta with you on the whole unfair question thing, in a way. I would have taken it to the bottom of the rabbit hole so it could go no further. Was Paul or any other mature believer participating in and/or supporting sacrifice to idols by eating the meat sacrificed to them? The question of course is rhetorical, the answer was no. But to the weaker in faith the answer was yes.
Make no mistake, the gay couple are having a wedding. They are not concerned with God's plan or idea for a marriage as they do not know God. A mature believer that was a baker could easily find a way to share the gospel over such an event. An immature believer is going to freak out. It's all a matter of conscience, but this is one case where the more mature are wishing people would just grow up.
Now that is the perfect time to step in, if an unbeliever is actually going to commit a sin. However a Christian should simply state their point and let the unbeliever choose whether or not to listen you. You did your part, but in the end they have to be the ones to decide.
th1b.taylor
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That is likely because you never ordered a 600 to 1000 doillars for a cake. These people and the wealthy will pay to get what they want. And just guessing you've likely never seen a seven layered wedding cake where the six upper layers are held up by a dozen or so Roman Style Columns.
The Detenerates are not nailed in place in Holliwood and Frisco,they abide in neighborhoods everywhere today.
Calling a man who follows his convection's immature some how seems wrong to me... This guy get back lash from all sides .. The baker was turning down money standing by his convection's yet he is blasted. We say love the sinner yet we throw rocks at the brother.. how the world has unfiltered His people ..
That's funny, we actually agree this time. I know that is a rare occasion for us but if we didn't bicker with each other then this forum wouldn't be half as interesting to me than it is now. However, there are times granted that the world just has to learn to agree to disagree. Which is even more interesting since I quoted a Bible verse on that today in Daily Verses. By the way, learning to agree to disagree is basically what this topic is about even though we come across a lot of sinful behavior.
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Northman
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If the word immature bugs you, then replace it with the term "infant in Christ". The core of the issue has been raised in the past and it was addressed, by an apostle, so there is no confusion. If someone thinks that a gay wedding is somehow a greater abomination than sacrificing decent animals to gods that don't exist, well, there isn't much to say. Paul spoke about the differences on how mature and immature believers would be about such things, and it wasn't wrong to say it.
Northman
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Me personally? Never.
Oh of that I have no doubt.
Yes those I've seen, just not a baker to go with them. I mean yes the bride and groom do the initial cut, but who does the rest that go into those little bags or boxes is usually someones aunt or something. It's not past me to be able to see someone with oodles of money not wanting any of their guests to have to perform some undue manual labour during the festivities. Just making conversation, knowing nothing of the actual business.
It is not the word it is the ideal that some one who thinks a bit different then you is considered an immature Christian.
Exactly. It's like I said before,.. we agree ten percent of the time and disagree the other ninety percent. But we're still friends aren't we? This is copied and pasted of a definition of a Christian.
" Christian- A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings."
Nope, I don't see anything in that that says you have to agree all the time and you're immature if you don't.
Northman
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Thinking different? What do you mean? I'm talking about what Paul wrote concerning immature and mature believers and how it ties exactly with what this issue is.
Mike
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Unless I missed it, you didn't cite the scripture you're drawing on. Is it Hebrews 5:13-14? If so, can you explain how that applies to someone who takes a stand on the biblical model of marriage as much as he can? If not, can you cite your scripture and explain?
Edward
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How come the degenerates can afford 1000 dollar cake and I have to pass up the 15 dollar ones at the grocery store? SOmething aint right with this picture, lol.
I might've went in the wrong business. Air conditioners are heavy. I bet I could stack up a seven layer cake with a bunch of pillars...lol. I bet I wouldn't have topple more than one cake to get it right. That's how it usually is, lol.
Northman
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Sorry no I did not site anything specific, just a mention in general of how Paul describes differences between weaker and stronger brothers. The scripture you just gave is a good one to establish differences. Another good set is 1 Corinthians 10:23-32.
Gay non-believers are under 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. They live in a country and culture that on the majority level, being gay has moved far past tolerance and on to acceptance. They probably know nothing of Jesus for real. They also shouldn't be subject to our rules as it states.
What I'm basically saying is that a mature believer could probably, very easily, spark up a conversation about culture and beliefs, who died for who, what's right and wrong, all the while baking a cake and having a few laughs. All this is being possible because a mature believer knows, by 1 Corinthians 10:23-32, that a cake is just a cake and those guys are headed for nothing but wrong and this may be their only chance in an ever growing Christian-hating culture to find out who and what Jesus really is. What happened instead is the path of the character described in 1 Corinthians 10:28-30.
Make sense?
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