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I'm Fine with God...It's Christians I can't Stand

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That is the name of a book I'm just about to read. It's by Bruce Bickel and Stan Jantz. My dad read it and loved it, and so I am just about to. I think it's worth sharing what's on the back cover as the blurb. It looks a good read.

This candid dialogue about the Christian community will make you laugh and even cringe as you read about well-meaning but misguided believers who take some parts of the Bible to ridiculous extremes while ignoring other parts.

In the process, you'll take a good, hard look at your own life and see God for who He is instead of seeing Him through the actions of those who...

*impose their morality on others
*assume the Right is always right and the Left is always wrong
*believe God wants them to be rich
*fixate on the end of the world
*think they have a monopoly on truth

In the marketplace of ideas, God deserves a fair shot. But you may find that you have to get past the crazy things some people do in 'Christ's' name in order to consider Christianity as a reasoned approach to faith.

Should be interesting. I'l tell you what I think when I've got stuck into it.
 
Sounds interesting. I'd like to know more about it, once you've read some--I feel the same way some times. Christians can be so...frustrating...
 
Interesting Book topic. Its funny because I often say I love you God but save me from your people. I have real problems with "church" people near me right now. Moment I got sick and latter diagnosed with rare disease that has me locked in my home I got dropped off the radar of anyone attending church. Overnight "friends" disappeared. I'd be anxious to know how the book pans out keep us updated on if its a good read or not.
 
Ok, I'm up to the contents page now! :biglol :biglol :biglol I'm in the middle of exams, so it might take a while, but I"ll post a summary or quote from each chapter when I've finished. But here's the contents page:

I'm fine with God

1. ...but I can't stand Christians who impose their morality on others
2. ...but I can't stand Christians who are paranoid
3. ...but I can't stand Christians who think they are correctly Right and everyone else is wrongly Left
4. ...but I can't stand Christians who think science is the enemy
5. ...but I can't stand Christians who are convinced God wants them rich
6. ...but I can't stand Christians who fixate on the end of the world
7. ...but I can't stand Christians who make lousy movies
8. ...but I can't stand Christians who don't know what they believe
9. ...but I can't stand Christians who think they have a monopoly on truth
10. ...but I can't stand Christians who give Christ a bad name.
 
Nick_29 said:
...here's the contents page:

I'm fine with God

1. ...but I can't stand Christians who impose their morality on others
2. ...but I can't stand Christians who are paranoid
3. ...but I can't stand Christians who think they are correctly Right and everyone else is wrongly Left
4. ...but I can't stand Christians who think science is the enemy
5. ...but I can't stand Christians who are convinced God wants them rich
6. ...but I can't stand Christians who fixate on the end of the world
7. ...but I can't stand Christians who make lousy movies
8. ...but I can't stand Christians who don't know what they believe
9. ...but I can't stand Christians who think they have a monopoly on truth
10. ..but I can't stand Christians who give Christ a bad name.

Wow. Nick, this sounds like a great book and I will be looking forward to your updates. I think I agree with every chapter already. :biggrin
 
yes. the ones I get annoyed with the most are numbers 5, 7 and 10.

I'll try and read the first chapter this weekend, I'll get back to you.
 
haha it's just something moms say to their kids when they make a face like roll their eyes or something. :nag
 
Ahhh I see. I think my mum's said that to me before.


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I"ll be starting the book tonight and be posting the first chapter review up tomorrow.
 
Ok, exams are now over so I've had some time with the book. I've started it and it looks really good. But what I'll do is I'll post excerpts of the introduction here, as I think it is a good insight into the book.


Introduction of I'm fine with God... It's Christians I can't stand (Bickel, Bruce & Jantz, Stan),
Published by Harvest House Publications, 2008.
Pages 7, 8, 12.



If you want to see the first chapter, you can do so here http://www.conversantlife.com/files/res ... ImFine.pdf

Every segment of society has its members of the lunatic fringe, but Christianity seems to have a disproportionately high percentage of them. This fact wouldn't present any problems if Christians kept a low profile. For example, we're sure the Amish have a few wackos in their midst, but they don't get up in your face with billboards that hint at your eternal destination, and they don't try to impose their moral criteria as a filler on the public airwaves. Of course, the Amish don't use electricity, and that contributes to their cultural obscurity. But at least the goofballs remain an Amish problem that isn't inflicted on the rest of us.
Unfortunately, many Evangelical Christians don't have the unassuming qualities of the Amish. They are bold and brash with their oddities. They seem intent on exposing and publicizing their own peculiarities. The most weird among them rise to public prominence. Shouldn't the natural tendency be for Christians to keep their most bizarre brethren (and sistern) locked in the church basement? We could only hope so. But no, they are free to roam society, subjecting all of us to a veritable religious freak show. You're probably already familiar with the cast that we're talking about.

The clown (literally) who sat in the end zone seats at every Super Bowl. He was easy to spot. He wore the rainbow colored wig, and he held up a large "John 3:16" sign when the television cameras set up for a field goal attempt. Did he really think that people would stop watching the game on TV so they could look up that scripture in a Bible that is conveniently nearby on the buffet table between the Budweiser and the pork rinds?
The televangelist who harangues his cable-network congregation with fund-raising solicitations, sounding as if the Almighty God of the universe is impatient to keep the network going unless Granny signs over her monthly social security check. "Jesus wants to save you, but He can't afford to do it for free!"

  • The Christian plumber who advertises in the yellow pages with a big fish symbol displayed prominently in the ad. The sign of the fish was an affective secret symbol among Christians in the first century AD, when being identified as a Christian meant being used as lion bait in the Roman Coliseum. But 20 centuries later that fish symbol means this: "Hy, come to me for your plumbing repairs. I may do a lousy job cleaning you clogged pipes, and I might charge you more than the other guys, but at least you'll be reamed by a fellow Christian."
    "Faith healers" who can cure diseases and ailments that people don't even know they have. Is their supernatural power divinely bestowed on them only during the hours of their television crusade? If they posses the power continually, why don't they spend a little time walking through the corridors of their local hospital (or curing their own comb-over)?

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    Finally,allow us to make three more points of clarification. First, we really don't harbor animosity for any Christians in particular (or people in general). Our criticism is directed at the dumb things Christians do, not who they are. We are convinced that Christians are for the most part well-intentioned, although a few of them are often misguided. That leads us to our second point of clarification. Our criticism is primarily directed of the behavior of Christianity's lunatic fringe. We are never ashamed of God, but Christianity's overzealous extremists often make us embarrassed to be dressed in the same uniform they are wearing. So, for the most part, references in the following chapters to Christians refer to those in the tribe who are standing on the wobbly edge of rationality.
    Rightly or wrongly, we exclude ourselves from this group. And that last statement provides a convenient segue to our third and final point. We realize that we ourselves are frequently guilty of behavior and attitudes that most embarrass and grieve God. We are probably most critical of others who have our same failings. That's why we can so easily spot the flaws. So why are their actions the target of our derision? Because they somehow manage a public display of their faux pas. We, on the other hand, have succeeded i keeping most of our ungodly conduct private - unless this book counts as conduct unbecoming a Christian.

    So, to our Christian brothers and sisters we say, let's learn to laugh at ourselves, and let's learn from what we're laughing at. To those outside our Christian family, we say, much of your criticism against us is well-deserved. But don't blame God. He agrees with you.
 
I'm not sure if I agree with everything the author opined, but this scenario proved true in my city not long ago:

The Christian plumber who advertises in the yellow pages with a big fish symbol displayed prominently in the ad. The sign of the fish was an affective secret symbol among Christians in the first century AD, when being identified as a Christian meant being used as lion bait in the Roman Coliseum. But 20 centuries later that fish symbol means this: "Hy, come to me for your plumbing repairs. I may do a lousy job cleaning you clogged pipes, and I might charge you more than the other guys, but at least you'll be reamed by a fellow Christian."

Only it was a roofer, not a plumber. This particular roofing company had been around a while, with the fish symbol -- I'd always assumed they were respectable until they landed on our local news investigation segment. The company ripped off an elderly lady and refused to compensate her or answer her phone calls. So she called the news channel and when they went out, the owner actually physically threatened the reporter. It was a terrible witness from someone who proclaimed to be a "Christian company."
 
yes, that reminds me of the last chapter in the book - "I can't stand Christians who give Christ a bad name"


What don't you agree with?
 
Thank you Nick, for taking your time to post this.

I agree with a lot of what you have posted, but this statement:

...Every segment of society has its members of the lunatic fringe, but Christianity seems to have a disproportionately high percentage of them...

...Is something that I do not agree with. I find that a lot of Christians have an inferiority complex (maybe due to an honest desire to be humble) but their comments only lend more credibility to the anti-Christians out there, and IMO the statement is completely false. Sure, it may be a little more accurate if the entire body of Christians resided in the US, but this is not the case and it will never be the case. The US Christian population are a minority when looking at Christianity as a whole, but what they do (whether it be good or bad) seems to reflect on all of us. It goes without saying, that I could name another particular segment of society which has many more "lunatics" within its ranks than Christianity will ever have.
 
Nick, I think there were really only two points that I didn't fully agree with:

This fact wouldn't present any problems if Christians kept a low profile.

and

The clown (literally) who sat in the end zone seats at every Super Bowl. He was easy to spot. He wore the rainbow colored wig, and he held up a large "John 3:16" sign when the television cameras set up for a field goal attempt. Did he really think that people would stop watching the game on TV so they could look up that scripture in a Bible that is conveniently nearby on the buffet table between the Budweiser and the pork rinds?

On the first one, I think (when I read the sentence in context) they perhaps may have meant to say, "if some Christians kept a low profile." I certainly don't believe all Christians should keep a low profile.

On the second one, all I really have to say about that is that maybe, just perhaps, the rainbow-wigged sports fan with the John 3:16 sign may have actually planted a seed in someone's mind.

But all in all, it sounds like a good read. :study
 
JoJo said:
On the first one, I think (when I read the sentence in context) they perhaps may have meant to say, "if some Christians kept a low profile." I certainly don't believe all Christians should keep a low profile.

JoJo, this is something I agree with. In fact I have encouraged it in other threads, but I think Christians on the whole need to get their priorities straight.

In another thread we were discussing Jesus being portrayed as a Rapist in a television show. Some members thought that this issue was not worthy of being addressed; that our sole mission is to win people over to Christ and not fight this worldly system. But as I pointed out in that thread; If someone were to make a sketch of you or your loved ones portraying them as rapists for the entire world to see and laugh at, you would not stand idly by while they do it, you would defend them out of love and we are called to love Christ more than ourselves, more than our partners and more than our children.

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

If Christians insist on being vocal on comparatively trivial issues (Homosexuality for example) then they should be all the more vocal when people are sullying the name of their God. It is because of this continued mockery of Christ (a form of Atheistic evangelism) which (unlike in other faiths) remains largely unchallenged by Christians, that is giving non-Christians the wrong image of Christ and Christianity; this in itself has turned millions away from Christ so we are failing in our mission to spread the Gospel.

JoJo said:
On the second one, all I really have to say about that is that maybe, just perhaps, the rainbow-wigged sports fan with the John 3:16 sign may have actually planted a seed in someone's mind.

Please understand that I'm not trying to be confrontational. :biggrin Thanks to Nick, this is a great opportunity for us to discuss our thoughts.

I think the problem with stunts like this is, that the seed that gets planted may be the wrong one. Whether or not that encouraged anyone to open the Bible...I don't know, but I'm quite sure that many would have looked at him and thought "What a total nutjob."
 
In another thread we were discussing Jesus being portrayed as a Rapist in a television show. Some members thought that this issue was not worthy of being addressed; that our sole mission is to win people over to Christ and not fight this worldly system. But as I pointed out in that thread; If someone were to make a sketch of you or your loved ones portraying them as rapists for the entire world to see and laugh at, you would not stand idly by while they do it, you would defend them out of love and we are called to love Christ more than ourselves, more than our partners and more than our children.

I totally agree. That show (among others) is banned in my home.

It is because of this continued mockery of Christ (a form of Atheistic evangelism) which (unlike in other faiths) remains largely unchallenged by Christians, that is giving non-Christians the wrong image of Christ and Christianity; this in itself has turned millions away from Christ so we are failing in our mission to spread the Gospel.

I've certainly confronted "atheistic evangelism" on more than one occasion over the years, especially on the Internet. But I've been surprisingly naive to the movement, as I'm sure others have. Their words and actions lead me to believe that their mission seems to be to not only mislead potential believers but to put doubt in the hearts of established believers. Christians should wear the impenetrable Armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-18) and teach others how to wear it too. Thank you for shining a beacon of light on this subject.
 
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