In My Opinion

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  1. wondering

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    Arminiam didn't agree with it. As also others did not.

    Arminianism is based on theological ideas of the Dutch Reformed theologian Jacobus Arminius (1560–1609) and his historic supporters known as Remonstrants. His teachings held to the five solae of the Reformation, but they were distinct from particular teachings of Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, John Calvin, and other Protestant Reformers. Jacobus Arminius (Jakob Harmenszoon) was a student of Theodore Beza (Calvin's successor) at the Theological University of Geneva. Arminianism is known to some as a soteriological diversification of Protestant Calvinist Christianity.[1] However, to others, Arminianism is a reclamation of early Church theological consensus.[2]

    Dutch Arminianism was originally articulated in the Remonstrance (1610), a theological statement signed by 45 ministers and submitted to the States General of the Netherlands. The Synod of Dort (1618–19) was called by the States General to consider the Five Articles of Remonstrance. These articles asserted that

    1. Salvation (and condemnation on the day of judgment) was conditioned by the graciously-enabled faith (or unbelief) of man;
    2. The Atonement is qualitatively adequate for all men, "yet that no one actually enjoys [experiences] this forgiveness of sins, except the believer ..." and thus is limited to only those who trust in Christ;
    3. "That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will," and unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God's will;
    4. The (Christian) Grace "of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of any good," yet man may resist the Holy Spirit; and
    5. Believers are able to resist sin through Grace, and Christ will keep them from falling; but whether they are beyond the possibility of ultimately forsaking God or "becoming devoid of grace ... must be more particularly determined from the Scriptures."

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism


    As I highlighted above, I believe, and know for sure, that arminianism is a reclamation of past early church doctrine. No theologian believed what Calvin taught: Double Predestination.
    The early church protected itself from false doctrine.


    Good is good. We need a definition? Man that is unsaved is able to do good because he is NOT totally depraved. What are we, puppets that God "uses" us? Of course God could use anyone as He will, He is sovereign. But does this mean He uses each and everyone of us in this way? No. Because we have free will. Do you not believe we have free will? This is what the N.T. teaches. Was Jesus not fully human? He said "not MY WILL, but Yours be done" when He was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane.
    I don't know about common grace. Grace is love. If God is Grace, why would He arbitrarily send anyone to hell? Does He shower us with Grace AND Hate to those He deems should be lost?


    I don't know what a straw man is. I just speak and say what's on my mind.
    All of christianity has a problem reconciling man's free will to God's sovereignty.
    I have come to my understanding of this, which I'd be happy to share if you wish.

    However, how does a calvinist believe in man's free will, if the most important thing in his entire life (salvation) is NOT up to his free will to choose??

    You say above that Jesus died for all who would be saved.
    No. Jesus died for the whole world. It's up to each of us to CHOOSE to be saved.
    1 John 2:2

    Paul also says in Romans 5:8 that God demonstrated His love for us, that while we were still sinners, He died for us.
    Who was Paul speaking to in Romans? Everyone, or just those few who would be saved??
     
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    God saves persons despite the fact they don't want to be saved?
    So we have no free will?
    Or we have limited free will...what's that? I could so what I want as long as God agrees with it?
    Since he's omnipotent, I doubt I would get my way!
    As far as someone changing and wasting time on them...sure, you can say this because you don't believe in free will. I do, so this is not a problem for me.

    As to sin... So I just sinned and sinned before salvation because I didn't know God??
    Not so. Not for me anyway. I was always a lilttle angel....:halo

    You wanna talk sanctification. GO!
     
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    Oh, here we go, Allen vs. the mods again.
    How long til I get thrown off again.

    "Calvin backed his assertions with scripture. Where are is your scriptural support showing that he is wrong?"

    This is Knotical's response.
    Can you honestly say this is not looking for a debate.
    Does this sound like a casual statement for the lounge?
    Or are you bored and just looking for an argument?
     
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    If Calvin needs correction, it should be done in another thread in another forum where it can be debated.
    Read the OP again.
    You'll see your complaints here are not appropriate.
     
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    Hey Allen,
    I think it's gone beyond casual !!
    I like this better than Bible Study.
    You could post scripture, or not.
     
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    ME TOO ... To me the term "straw man" is thrown about when some one makes a point contrary to what the other guys wants to hear.....
     
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    2.6: A member may not impose additional rules upon threads by claiming on/off topic or by other means. Moderators will enforce only the rules as included in the ToS and are not obligated to enforce regulations promoted by a member. :tongue
     
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    So what do you want I should do?
    Agree with the heretic called Calvin and his squad?
    No way Jose'.

    What complaints?
    That he was wrong about everything?
    Oh. Is that a complaint.
    Sorry.
    BTW, he was wrong about everything.
     
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    Do you have any opinions here since this thread is based on opinions?
     
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    Sounds good to me !
    And I do plenty of that when speaking about this particular subject.
     
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    The thread is about people's opinions.
    Is it too much to ask they at least state what they say as their opinion rather than slam down everyone's throat what they believe is the absolute truth?
     
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    Do you not believe your opinions are truth?
     
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    now if you could just spell out what you are saying, it would be nice
    not everyone speaks your dialect
     
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    I don't think I have an opinion.
    I think that what I believe IS the truth --- otherwise why would I believe it??
    Everything that comes out of my mouth I believe to be the truth, UNLESS I state it's an opinion.

    Calvinism is not an opinion. You either believe it or you don't.
    I don't.
    I think it's as heretical as can be for the reasons I've stated many times.
    I don't THINK he's a heretic, I KNOW he's a heretic.

    A heretic is any person or belief system which strays from the accepted beliefs of a religious system. HE is the only one who came up with this theology. He must have had a nightmare one night and decided to spread it around. (that's an opinion). (about the nightmare, I mean).
     
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    My OP is in good humor.
    Try reading it again.
    People are ignoring my good humor and making this a serious all out win or lose debate.
    Why is it so important to intrude on my Lounge thread and make a war out of it?
     
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    Well ---
    If you wanted a leisurely discussion you sure did pick the wrong subject !!
    People being sent to hell through no fault of their own IS NOT in good humor.
    It's rather serious.

    It's not a war either. We're just talking here.
    We all love and respect each other. But we could still disagree.
    A sure sign of love...disagreeing and still liking the person.
     
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    So what is your honest opinion of Calvinism
     
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    He has been here long enough , he fully understands the topic and how it would play out ... Allen is no dummy
     
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    I don't need it.
    This thread is not a Bible study, or theology, or apologetics, or Sunday School, or evangelism, or a sermon, or missionary work.
    This is a discussion on people's opinions in a casual manner.
    I thought CF.net provided an area for this type of discussion.
     
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    Arminus,didn't believe that God foreknew,that God could be surprised by our choices.
    limited free will. I cant nor does even your position say that we can do whatever we want without God allowing it. if God decides I'm going to sin and in the process of murdering the other , he or she dies, that it is God who didn't stop that. and at times a cop, accident, prevents that act. commonly called providence.
     
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