In the clouds

[Johan]

His second coming

Has been a possibility from His death.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.


Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


It is a possibility just after the rebirth


Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.




This second coming is right over the earth


Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


But not Himself!




Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


This kingdom is within us . . and waiting to be revealed . . . as some saw the revelation is the times of Jesus . . .and always there has been some that has seen it.


So . .why do some experience it and some not!!!


Spiritual growth.


It is not for the children of God . . but for the grown-ups


As there are some more grown-up than others.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


And when the “perfect man” is reached . . .obviously he is perfected then also in wisdom which is also in Christ


1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


And by this wisdom . . .Christ . . .the Christlike one . . having grown up in Christ . . . has the wisdom necessary . . .to rule.


Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.


This was the way king Solomon ruled!


And this is the way we shall rule because then the condition is fulfilled!


1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.


LOVE

Johan

 

[Edward]

Amen, Brother...Spiritual growth. You said a mouthful there!

Let me ask you something. If the Kingdom of God is within us (it is!), and we are the temple, then that would make us...the priest of that temple?

 

[Johan]

Amen, Brother...Spiritual growth. You said a mouthful there!

Let me ask you something. If the Kingdom of God is within us (it is!), and we are the temple, then that would make us...the priest of that temple?

Hi brother . . . The new Life . . .from God . . in us . . .makes us the temple in which He lives . . . His Life . . .first for us to know . . and then for us to allow to flow out to the world . . .and as He is the High Priest
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

living out His anointing in us and for us

Heb 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

Cleaning us

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

and:

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

NOW:
Him in us . . .the High Priest of the New Covenant . . flowing from His temple . . .us to the world . . their High Priest . . .and Him using His body us . .because we are dead and He is alive . . .bestow His High Priest sacrifice on a sinning world . . .cleansing them and making them righteous .. . to be ready for their own sacrifice . . .of self to . . the High Priest.

And God make us High Priest to them . . .but we know . . it is God . . . the High Priest . . .and we . .. .only the temple

Jer 31:13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.
Jer 31:14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and my people shall be satisfied with my goodness, saith the LORD.

Love Johan

 

[Elisha]

His second coming

Has been a possibility from His death.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

People quote verses but do not read those verses.

 

[Johan]

People quote verses but do not read those verses.

So true brother

And others read them . . .and have no revelation

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Love Johan

 

[Jim Parker]

This kingdom is within us . . and waiting to be revealed . . . as some saw the revelation is the times of Jesus . . .and always there has been some that has seen it.

In part, His kingdom is present on earth, right now, in the Church which is His body.
And He is ruler of heaven and earth right now. Mat 28:18b "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." That's a completed fact.
1Co 15:22-27 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. "For God has put all things in subjection under his feet."
In its fullness, it will be all the earth. (Rev 11:15) "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So there is an aspect of the kingdom of God that is "within" because every believer bears the presence of the Lord, who is king, within.
There is also the aspect by which the Church is the eschatological kingdom of God which has broken through into these end times.
And there is the aspect by which everything in heaven and earth will be under the direct rule of God.

iakov the fool
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[Johan]

And th

In part, His kingdom is present on earth, right now, in the Church which is His body.
And He is ruler of heaven and earth right now. Mat 28:18b "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." That's a completed fact.
1Co 15:22-27 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. "For God has put all things in subjection under his feet."
In its fullness, it will be all the earth. (Rev 11:15) "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So there is an aspect of the kingdom of God that is "within" because every believer bears the presence of the Lord, who is king, within.
There is also the aspect by which the Church is the eschatological kingdom of God which has broken through into these end times.
And there is the aspect by which everything in heaven and earth will be under the direct rule of God.

iakov the fool

(beaucoup dien cai dau)



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Man usually take their own life . . .and what they experience as the norm by which God should work . . .without taking into account:

Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

And therefor miss what God actually wanted to bestow . . .because their minds couldn't reach that far.

So . . . what was given in this thread . . . was much more . . .than which was comprehended.

Love Johan

 

[Jim Parker]

And th
Man usually take their own life . . .and what they experience as the norm by which God should work . . .without taking into account:
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
And therefor miss what God actually wanted to bestow . . .because their minds couldn't reach that far.
So . . . what was given in this thread . . . was much more . . .than which was comprehended.
Love Johan

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You response was extremely vague.

Please clearly say what you mean without "beating around the bush" so we can know what you mean. We can't have a conversation is you don't say what you mean in a manner that can be understood.

Thanks.

iakov the fool
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[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed.


"having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead."

"Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God."

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

On a side note this verse seems to indicate everyone is eventually saved. A number so big, so many people no man could even count it, from all nations and tribes wearing clean robes.

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Amen, Brother...Spiritual growth. You said a mouthful there!

Let me ask you something. If the Kingdom of God is within us (it is!), and we are the temple, then that would make us...the priest of that temple?

If the Kingdom of God is within us, and we are the temple, then what temple are end timers waiting for?, there is no prophecy about 3rd temple built with hands, and who is the Man who sets himself up in the temple claiming to be God that with the breath of his mouth Christ takes away and reveals himself?.

 

[Edward]

If the Kingdom of God is within us, and we are the temple, then what temple are end timers waiting for?, there is no prophecy about 3rd temple built with hands, and who is the Man who sets himself up in the temple claiming to be God that with the breath of his mouth Christ takes away and reveals himself?.

Well...I was asking, not making a statement.

 

[reba]

Amen, Brother...Spiritual growth. You said a mouthful there!

Let me ask you something. If the Kingdom of God is within us (it is!), and we are the temple, then that would make us...the priest of that temple?

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Edward]

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

So it is right? We are preists of our own temple...Jesus then is the High Preist. We're still under Him of course, this is not meant to imply that we are "in charge" of anything except our own behavior...

I thought that sounded right. Thanks, Sister.

 

[reba]

I would say His Temple He is the chief cornerstone

 

[Elisha]

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[Free]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


This kingdom is within us . . and waiting to be revealed . . . as some saw the revelation is the times of Jesus . . .and always there has been some that has seen it.

Not "within," "among":

Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (ESV)

Just look to whom Jesus was talking. There would be no way he would or even could say that the kingdom of God was within the Pharisees. The kingdom isn't in men, men are in the kingdom.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Well...I was asking, not making a statement.

I know, I just butted in and asked you a question through a question that you asked someone else a question.

I was just asking your opinion on something as i could use your question to ask you a question. Lol. Sorry I should have made a seperate post.

 

[Jim Parker]

We are preists of our own temple.

No, we are priests of God and the Kingdom of God.

IMHO

iakov the fool

 

[Jim Parker]

If the Kingdom of God is within us, and we are the temple, then what temple are end timers waiting for?, there is no prophecy about 3rd temple built with hands, and who is the Man who sets himself up in the temple claiming to be God that with the breath of his mouth Christ takes away and reveals himself?.

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sounds right.

Rev 21:1-4 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.


iakov the fool
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[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sounds right.

Rev 21:1-4 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.


iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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Yea thats great. God dwells with man. Thats the Kingdom of God right now in the new earth God with the believer. Its either carnal law and living in hell on earth, or Spiritual law walking in the Kingdom. This earth is the hell and until people come to the Truth they wont find peace, the world is frustrated.

The second heaven and earth is the Kingdom that comes without observation and is within. Some people can't see it because they won't accept it. There still baptized in Jesus burial, looking up to the sky from hell saying 'when will the Lord return' because they have rejected Christ and the truth.