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Is Christian Rock Satanic ?
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NestForASparrow
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Well I think Martin Luther took the pagan music and used it for Christianity saying something like why should the Devil have the best melodies?
Relic said:
Well I think Martin Luther took the pagan music and used it for Christianity saying something like why should the Devil have the best melodies?
Nick said:faithtransforms said:
We need bands to reach as many people that we can, don't we? So different genres for Christian bands should be promoted. After all, we are commanded to go out and make disciples of the earth.
I agree too that it's great when Christians make music of many different genres.
Musical tastes are so individual, it's normal that we all don't like the same genres and that applies to us Christians too. As different personalities who are made differently emotionally, different musical genres will touch our hearts. I don't believe that any genre must be bad; what defines if it's good or bad is the message and intention the authors give into their music. Christian music definitely doesn't have to be limited to slow boring melodies and whinny voices [that's what I often hear from services from various churches on the radio and it annoys me so much].
purple aardvark
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I wholeheartedly agree Louis. This really begs the question: are cows satanic? They do have horns and cloven feet, after all. And how about public speakers, like you said. Even preachers: is Benny Hill satanic? Lots of people have been saved watching his show, yet his antics are questionable at best.Dude named Louis said:
Mike
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I just caught that misprint of the nameTina said:.
purple aardvark said:
Do you mean Benny Hinn ?? ..
I personally love Christian Rock with meaningful lyrics, like those of Skillet, Red, Kutless, Casting Crowns, Falling Up and Switchfoot ....
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Benny Hill... not exactly "Little House on the Prairie". Even when I was young without much of a moral compass, I never found anything about that show appealing. There might be a generation gap if younger people don't know who he was.purple aardvark
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Music is inherently good, friends. It's only bad when someone uses it for the wrong purpose. Consider it: as human beings, we did not invent the idea of music: God created us with it. When people make music and don't misuse it by merely attempting to garner attention or speak evil, it glorifies God, who created music. I've heard good secular music (that is, it doesn't contradict the truth and demonstrates appreciation for the aesthetic value of music) and I've heard bad 'Christian' music (music with lyrics showing an unchristlike attitude, and a laziness about aesthetic). Artists are either Christian or non-christian - music is not. Also, we need to keep the distinction clear that even though Christians making music should glorify God this does not imply that all music they make should be self-consciously designed for corporate worship. I think polka music has a fun and infectious joy to it, but I would never dream of using it in corporate worship even though I might love to hear it played live at a festival. Some music is set apart as coporate worship music. Just because some music is not designed for that purpose does not make it satanic, and it doesn't even mean it isn't glorifying to God. Perhaps the real question is : if my brother makes music, do I have a right to attribute it to the devil? Unless we are saying that Satan literally dwells within music instruments or within the soundwaves themselves (which sound fairly ridiculous not to mention lacking biblical proof) calling 'Christian' rock satanic is tantamount to saying my Christian brother is posessed by evil spirits. And it isn't possible for a christian to be possessed.
Mike
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Music, as in everything in His creation was intended for Good. But it has too been impacted by sin.
I can see the point that any song that takes our focus off God is not good, though that's a hard legal line to toe. Ideally all of our forms of art would be Vertical. I listen to secular music right or wrong.
Christians can be tempted (and submit) and listen to demons at times. This doesn't mean that this person has necessarily ceased to be a Christian. They could have stumbled.
Artists don't have to be "possessed" to write music that is not spot on with a message. But, I guess I would say that secular music that does not glorify the Lord is not lifting His Name, and while it's not necessarily evil, it is not praising Him with their gifts.
I can see the point that any song that takes our focus off God is not good, though that's a hard legal line to toe. Ideally all of our forms of art would be Vertical. I listen to secular music right or wrong.
Christians can be tempted (and submit) and listen to demons at times. This doesn't mean that this person has necessarily ceased to be a Christian. They could have stumbled.
Artists don't have to be "possessed" to write music that is not spot on with a message. But, I guess I would say that secular music that does not glorify the Lord is not lifting His Name, and while it's not necessarily evil, it is not praising Him with their gifts.
I don't see anything about Christian rock or rap or any other non-traditional music style as satanic by nature. Some of you commented on how their "attitudes" are un-Godlike and sinful by nature, and that they are mimicking secular music styles. All music, whether Christian or secular is an expression of what the artist is feeling at any particular time, an emotion they wish to convey, in a secular example, you may see someone in pain, lashing out and blaming the world, God, people, or themselves. On the Christian side, you may see the same expression of pain, but in the lyrics, hear the artist pleading with God for forgiveness, understanding and peace.
I've heard someone (can't remember who offhand) on the radio say that "The best thing that could happen to people is if all their sins we're broadcast on the 5'oclock news, that way we would have nothing more to hide and we could come to our peers and God for forgiveness and have nothing hidden". Everyone, and I do mean everyone has these emotions, whether you hide them or not, and Christian rockers get up there and poor out these emotions in front of the world, often examples from their own lives, and show either their sinful nature and need for forgiveness and grace or just get up there and praise God for who he is in their own style.
Anyone who tells you a music style is "Bad, or wrong" (if it's from a Christian artist), probably just doesn't like the music. Everything is from God, whether we choose to use whatever it is for His glory or for our own is what makes something "ok" or "not ok" in my opinion. Rock on for our Rock I say.
I've heard someone (can't remember who offhand) on the radio say that "The best thing that could happen to people is if all their sins we're broadcast on the 5'oclock news, that way we would have nothing more to hide and we could come to our peers and God for forgiveness and have nothing hidden". Everyone, and I do mean everyone has these emotions, whether you hide them or not, and Christian rockers get up there and poor out these emotions in front of the world, often examples from their own lives, and show either their sinful nature and need for forgiveness and grace or just get up there and praise God for who he is in their own style.
Anyone who tells you a music style is "Bad, or wrong" (if it's from a Christian artist), probably just doesn't like the music. Everything is from God, whether we choose to use whatever it is for His glory or for our own is what makes something "ok" or "not ok" in my opinion. Rock on for our Rock I say.
Lewis
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NJBeliever
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Greetings. I just wanted to make a few points.
1. Music is "inherently good" - I strongly, disagree with this argument. Yes, The Lord may have invented music. But He also invented Humans, and we have become corrupted to the core by sin. We have sin in the same members that we use to write and play music. So thus, music made by humans is actually inherently, sinful. We cannot assume anything a person makes is Godly or God-glorifying if that person is not born again and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2. When "Christian" music sounds incredibly similar to the world, what is the driving force behind it? Is The Holy Spirit which spoke to us through the apostle Paul commanding us to not be like the world? And when I say music is mimicking the world, I don't mean that happens by using a drum set. I am talking about Christian music that sounds incredibly like secular rock or rap. I am thinking of certain artists and one in particular is KJ-52. This guy has taken his entire style from Eminem, who has made some of the most vile, offensive and sin-glorifying music of all time. KJ-52 even admits that he models himself after Eminem. So how is this not copying the world?
3. I really feel in this touchy issue of "Christian" music we have to examine things on a case-by case basis. Is the music really glorifying God? Is it even mentioning the name JESUS which so many Christian artists seem scared to do (and would much rather call him "He" the most popular name for Jesus in Christian rock? Is it reciting Scripture or making up its own? Or is it just something that is here to make us entertained under the banner of "Christian"? And what is the artist's testimony? In the case of Jennifer Knapp, we can see that she knows little to nothing of Scripture, and doesn't believe much of it any ways, since she was comfortable sitting on Larry King for an hour basically stating over and over that The Lord and the Bible are okay with lesbian relationships. Yet she was a platinum selling Christian rock artist.
Music has become a very complicated issue in the church as we enter the age apostasy. I am on vacation in Texas and visited a church yesterday that has an average of 4,000 people attend every Sunday. On their website and their literature the main thing they promote is their music is top notch and that they feature "some of the best musicians from the city." The importance of music in the church today surpasses anything we see in the Bible. Music is a wonderful form of worship and I believe The Lord loves music. But we just have to be careful that we keep it Holy and focused on The Lord. How do we do that? Use the Bible as your example. Look at the lyrics of the songs sung in the Bible. They are unequivocally focused on God Almighty, Jesus and how great they are. That's it. Not much variation in he message. I don't see why that should be any different today.
1. Music is "inherently good" - I strongly, disagree with this argument. Yes, The Lord may have invented music. But He also invented Humans, and we have become corrupted to the core by sin. We have sin in the same members that we use to write and play music. So thus, music made by humans is actually inherently, sinful. We cannot assume anything a person makes is Godly or God-glorifying if that person is not born again and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2. When "Christian" music sounds incredibly similar to the world, what is the driving force behind it? Is The Holy Spirit which spoke to us through the apostle Paul commanding us to not be like the world? And when I say music is mimicking the world, I don't mean that happens by using a drum set. I am talking about Christian music that sounds incredibly like secular rock or rap. I am thinking of certain artists and one in particular is KJ-52. This guy has taken his entire style from Eminem, who has made some of the most vile, offensive and sin-glorifying music of all time. KJ-52 even admits that he models himself after Eminem. So how is this not copying the world?
3. I really feel in this touchy issue of "Christian" music we have to examine things on a case-by case basis. Is the music really glorifying God? Is it even mentioning the name JESUS which so many Christian artists seem scared to do (and would much rather call him "He" the most popular name for Jesus in Christian rock? Is it reciting Scripture or making up its own? Or is it just something that is here to make us entertained under the banner of "Christian"? And what is the artist's testimony? In the case of Jennifer Knapp, we can see that she knows little to nothing of Scripture, and doesn't believe much of it any ways, since she was comfortable sitting on Larry King for an hour basically stating over and over that The Lord and the Bible are okay with lesbian relationships. Yet she was a platinum selling Christian rock artist.
Music has become a very complicated issue in the church as we enter the age apostasy. I am on vacation in Texas and visited a church yesterday that has an average of 4,000 people attend every Sunday. On their website and their literature the main thing they promote is their music is top notch and that they feature "some of the best musicians from the city." The importance of music in the church today surpasses anything we see in the Bible. Music is a wonderful form of worship and I believe The Lord loves music. But we just have to be careful that we keep it Holy and focused on The Lord. How do we do that? Use the Bible as your example. Look at the lyrics of the songs sung in the Bible. They are unequivocally focused on God Almighty, Jesus and how great they are. That's it. Not much variation in he message. I don't see why that should be any different today.
Cheyenne K
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The answer is in the question. If the music is Christian, then matter what genre, it cannot be Satanic. We cannot have two masters and evil cannot dwell in the light. Furthermore, why should a style of music be called "Satanic" because of a an alternative sound. HB is a perfect example. They are more along the lines of symphonic metal and dress in the same style as many other artists in the genre do, but they are highly dedicated to the Lord. I don't see how a person can say they are Satanic when they have one of their most popular songs with these lyrics:
"Ambition"
Once I saw a man full of passion,
So brave and so filled with the Word.
He spoke like no other, like thunder
Authorised with great love.
His presence encouraged us all and
We felt that God wants to move.
All troubles just vanished and were gone -
A reason to praise the Lord!
There's a real believer, more than all of us!
Why do we take all your glory, we know it belongs to You, oh Father
And to your Son the Righteous One
He reigns with His love, reigns with His love.
Who are we trying to impress. You are the one who deserves all praise.
Because of your Son, the Righteous One
Your beloved Son, beloved Son.
Once I saw a Lady full of grace,
Though tired still preaching the word.
She cried out and wept when she told us
That God really loves us all.
“Not everyone will go to Heaven,
Some will face the wrath of God.â€At last people realized that they must
Decide on whoms side they are.
Many were forgiven, they were born again.
Jesus was uplifted, the rest faded away.
Yes, some Christian artists have made idols of themselves or are only Christian in word. Yet, many people - musicians or not - have done this to themselves as well. One cannot deem an entire genre "Satanic" despite Christian influence and precense because of an appearance or style. The Lord Himself goes and looks beyond appearance and into the heart. Why should His followers not do the same?
"Ambition"
Once I saw a man full of passion,
So brave and so filled with the Word.
He spoke like no other, like thunder
Authorised with great love.
His presence encouraged us all and
We felt that God wants to move.
All troubles just vanished and were gone -
A reason to praise the Lord!
There's a real believer, more than all of us!
Why do we take all your glory, we know it belongs to You, oh Father
And to your Son the Righteous One
He reigns with His love, reigns with His love.
Who are we trying to impress. You are the one who deserves all praise.
Because of your Son, the Righteous One
Your beloved Son, beloved Son.
Once I saw a Lady full of grace,
Though tired still preaching the word.
She cried out and wept when she told us
That God really loves us all.
“Not everyone will go to Heaven,
Some will face the wrath of God.â€At last people realized that they must
Decide on whoms side they are.
Many were forgiven, they were born again.
Jesus was uplifted, the rest faded away.
Yes, some Christian artists have made idols of themselves or are only Christian in word. Yet, many people - musicians or not - have done this to themselves as well. One cannot deem an entire genre "Satanic" despite Christian influence and precense because of an appearance or style. The Lord Himself goes and looks beyond appearance and into the heart. Why should His followers not do the same?
vja4Him
Member
I don't like all of KJ-52's music, but he does have some very spiritual songs. You have to listen to the lyrics of Christian rappers. Maybe you don't like the beat, or the style, but like others have already mentioned, music is from God. Some people use it to glorify Him, others not ....
Christian music of all genres has helped me tremendously to draw closer to the Lord. We play a wide variety of music in our home, mostly Christian (rap, r&b, rock, country, bluegrass, blues, soul, folk, heavy metal), and some secular (jazz, classical, folk, oldies).
Myself and my two boys love to play music. Not all of our music is worship style, but sometimes we just like to have fun and mess around with different sounds, learning new chords.
Some people would condemn us and say that we are playing the devil's music. I really don't even care what they say. The Lord knows my heart. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. And don't be so quick to wrongly judge others .....
Christian music of all genres has helped me tremendously to draw closer to the Lord. We play a wide variety of music in our home, mostly Christian (rap, r&b, rock, country, bluegrass, blues, soul, folk, heavy metal), and some secular (jazz, classical, folk, oldies).
Myself and my two boys love to play music. Not all of our music is worship style, but sometimes we just like to have fun and mess around with different sounds, learning new chords.
Some people would condemn us and say that we are playing the devil's music. I really don't even care what they say. The Lord knows my heart. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. And don't be so quick to wrongly judge others .....
RobertMazar
Member
No Christian Rock is not Satanic because the words of the songs glorifiy Christ. Now, secular Rock is Satanic.
I think Christian Metal is awesome.Before being saved,I listened to so much music that was satanic and unholy.Now I can enjoy extreme music without poisoning myself.It makes perfect sense-God is all powerful and is worthy of powerful music.Plus,we are using the enemy's own ammunition against him while reaching an entirely new audience.Some of you may disagree with me,but this is what works for me,being a metal fan and a Christian.Almost anything can be a ministry for Christ in the right context,as long as its something positive.
Psalms 33:1-4
Rejoice in the Lord,O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright.
Praise the Lord with harp;sing unto Him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
Sing unto Him a new song;play skillfully with a loud noise.
For the word of the Lord is right;and all His works are done in truth
Psalms 33:1-4
Rejoice in the Lord,O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright.
Praise the Lord with harp;sing unto Him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
Sing unto Him a new song;play skillfully with a loud noise.
For the word of the Lord is right;and all His works are done in truth
Lewis
Member
Great post it what I have been saying for years.
Winters Eve
Member
There is a lot of things Jesus said. He also said be all things to all men and a whole host of other scriptures I could use to back my case that infact music is just that not satanic not christian just Music.
I the Lord created all things! Except rock music
Winters Eve
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