Is Christian Rock Satanic ?

[vja4Him]

We (my boys and I) have a very wide selection of Christian music: Classical, Bluegrass, Country, Rock, Hard Rock, Metal, Punk, Folk, Celtic, Rap, R&B, Praise and Worship).

My answer is, "No, Christian Rock is NOT Satanic!"

If anyone really believes that, then you would have to condemn so many Christian musicians who love the Lord and worship Jesus, and give glory to God with their music, and you would have to claim that they are really worshipping Satan, which is completely absurd ... !!!

People like Rebecca Saint James (one of my favorite Christian artists) has a wide style of music, and clearly glorfies God with her music.

Even the Christian Punk group, Flatfoot 56, glorfies God with their style of music.

Some more of my favorite Christian groups include: Skillet, Kutless, dcTalk, Gospel Gangstaz, Ceili Rain (Celtic Christian), Iona (Celtic Christian), Eden's Bridge (Celtic Christian), De Garmo & Key (old school Christian Rock), Daniel Amos (old school Christian Rock and Country), 2nd Chapter of Acts (old school mellow Christian Rock, Praise and Worship), Matthew Ward (old school Christian), Phil Keaggy, Carman (wide variety), Stanley Brothers (old school Christian Bluegrass), Lewis Family (old school Christian Bluegrass), Mike Turner (old school Christian Bluegrass), Michael Card, John Michael Talbot, Marty McCall (Celtic Christian), Lamb (Messianic Praise & Worship), Pillar, Project 86, Blindside, KJ-52, Steve Taylor (old school Christian), Cathedral Quartet, 38th Parallel (Christian Punk, Rock, and Rap mixture), Sheila Walsh (Christian Celtic and variety), 4 Him, Newsboys, and many more ....

 

[vja4Him]

God Speaks All Languages, Including Music ...

I like gospel rock, gospel metal, gospel R&B, gospel country, gospel jazz.
God does not care what type music you use to get His word across, because He created all things, man could not come up with any genre of music unless it was in the mind of God first. God knows that not everybody is the same. Because not everyone is going to like the same type of music. But God uses all types of music these days to get His Word across. Foe instance people who like metal are hearing the gospel. Because it meets them where they are.

God does speak all languages, including the language of music ...

 

[vja4Him]

Re:

The term "rock and
roll" means fornication. It is a street name for sexual immorality.

I am not buying that.

Yeah, I don't buy into that either.

 

[vja4Him]

P.O.D. ... ???

I've only heard their music, very recently, from a source that is so close to God , I will not mention, and they are very in depth and close to God. There's nothing satanic about them. Plus, the way their music sounds is great. Don't see why a band that loves God, is rejected by many Christians...

Anybody listen to P.O.D. ... ???

 

[vja4Him]

Demon Hunter ...

Somebody should start a thread about Christian Metal ....

Another band I like is Demon Hunter ...

 

[vja4Him]

"I Want To Be A Clone," by Steve Taylor

Reminds me of a song by Steve Taylor, "I Want To Be A Clone."

I'd gone through so much other stuff
That walking down the aisle was tough
But now I know it's not enough
I want to be a clone

I asked the Lord into my heart
They said that was the way to start
But now you've got to play the part
I want to be a clone

Be a clone and kiss conviction goodnight
Cloneliness is next to Godliness, right?
I'm grateful that they show the way
'Cause I could never know the way
To serve him on my own
I want to be a clone

They told me that I'd fall away
Unless I followed what they say
Who needs the Bible anyway?
I want to be a clone

Their language it was new to me
But Christianese got through to me
Now I can speak it fluently
I want to be a clone

Be a clone and kiss conviction goodnight
Cloneliness is next to Godliness, right?
I'm grateful that they show the way
'Cause I could never know the way
To serve him on my own
I want to be a clone

Send in the clones

Ah, I kind of wanted to tell my friends and people about it, you know?

What?
You're still a babe
You have to grow
Give it twenty years or so
'Cause if you want to be one of his
Got to act like one of us

Be a clone and kiss conviction goodnight
Cloneliness is next to Godliness, right?
I'm grateful that they show the way
'Cause I could never know the way
To serve him on my own
I want to be a clone

So now I see the whole design
My church is an assembly line
The parts are there, I'm feeling fine
I want to be a clone

I've learned enough to stay afloat
But not so much I rock the boat
I'm glad they shoved it down my throat
I want to be a clone

Everybody must get cloned

Most Christians today treat other Christians as if they were still baby Christians, easily swayed and corrupted by everything, I admit that alot of Christians are still like that, but even they have common sense and a sense of right and wrong, one of the greatest masks of evil is that of virture, its so easy to get caught up the religious do's and don'ts of today. It's not so much of what Satan does want us to hear, its what he DOESN'T want us to hear, why else are Christians fighting a Christian civil war with their own brothers in sisters in the name of being Holier to God? In fact, Ryan Clark (lead singer of the Christian Thrash Metal band, Demon Hunter wrote a song about Christians judging Christian Metal so hastily. The song is called The Latest and the Last (The Wheels of Judgement Turn Slowly): "Words of high cost (you spit a curse at my name)
When thoughts of hate cross (I can't devour your blame)
This is your choice (this is your hammer to crush)
I have no voice (you're not the hand that I trust)

Throw it down on me.
Throw it down on me.

[CHORUS:]
Before you break your silence, before we tear this open...
We'll count the dead and hopeless for every word unspoken.

Thoughts, like blood, run (forever staining our hands)
Mouth like cold gun (before the barrel we stand)
The latest and the last (you put a price on my head)
The latest and the last (the worst is already said)

[CHORUS]

Spilling through your teeth
You're sick of what you've seen
You point your guilt at every step we took in loyalty

[CHORUS]

Throw it down on me.
Throw it down."

Ryan Clark even wrote his thoughts about the song, the meaning speficially:
"Passing judgment on one another as Christians can be very devastating and it
happens so often, we¹ve grown accustomed to it. Only God knows what lies in
the hearts of each and every one of us. The judgmental ideals of Christians
against each other result in a very segregated mindset.

For instance, many Christians have passed judgment on heavy metal as a
whole, saying that it¹s not a healthy platform for reaching people in the
name of Christ, and rather a blasphemous and worldly alternative to other
genres of Christian music. The amazing things that I¹ve seen happen for the
kingdom of God within the heavy metal scene prove that thought to be a very
ignorant perception.

Basically the song suggests, you can have the latest judgment, but God will
have the last." Your thoughts?

 

[vja4Him]

Re:

Has everybody went to the link in the first post on this subject ? I for one don't think that it is. But make sure you go to that link and look into this subject.
As a matter of fact, I will repost the link below.

Is Christian Rock Satanic ?
http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/craindex.htm

Thanks for reposting the link. I was going to check it out, but called my great-great-aunt and had a nice long chat over an hour, and completely forgot where I was at in this thread ....

I have encountered people with similar bad attitudes from the WoF camp (for those who don't know what WoF means, it's Word of Faith).

I was involved with WoF for many years, and encountered many people, including church members, pastors, and church leaders, who were very un-Chrisitian -- hurtful, unkind, angry, forceful, condemning, negative, know-it-all, unloving, no patience ....

Sounds like what I've also encountered from those who believe there should be no music in the church (except the human voice), or that we should not listen to Christian music that does not fit into their narrow standards, and also from the KJVO (King James Version Only) camp ...

Looks like a pattern has developed from certain groups of critics ...

 

[vja4Him]

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Honestly some of the views here are appaling.

We are meant to live life in the culture as Jesus did, not sit around in our church bubble and figure out how good we have it and how much the world needs and should seek Jesus. We bring the church to the people.

Think about this: The underground metal scene is probably one of the least reached out to parts of our culture. How can we reach them? At THEIR level. Does that mean we have to do what they do? Do we have to sing what they sing? No, we should not allow ourselves to be corrupted by the immoral practices of the world. Should we love them regardless of their sins? Should we accept them for who they are? Should we rock out in the name of the lord? Absolutely.

Worship. A very hard to explain thing at times. How do you explain worship to someone who has never been to church? I've once heard it explained like this: You know when you go to a Slayer concert and your rock'n out and at that moment you're all about Slayer? It's the same thing, but you're all about God. Can headbanging be worship? Absolutely. The common view is that you must have your hands in the air singing your lungs out to worship. This is false, everyone worships in a different way, and headbanging for the lord is a perfectly acceptable way.

Consider this: You put together a stellar worship band and go to a local venue. You play a bunch of David Crowder and Third Day covers. Do you think the local metal head is going to identify with that? I highly doubt it. Contrast with this: You get a bunch of your hard rock'n Jesus loving buddies together and go to a local venue. You play a set of hard rocking songs that even the most hardened metal head could respect, and you sing lyrics that they can identify with. I strongly believe that you would get a much better reaction.

Plus, hard rock is NOT all about hopelessness, christian or not. There have been several accounts of teenagers siting the Metallica song, "one" for being the only reason they didn't commit suicide. Like earlier stated, a knife can be used as a wonderful tool that can save time or lives, but the knife of the same blade can be used to kill. It's all about the operator.

Now if Jesus is the operator of a metal band, will it be destructive? No. If Jesus is in charge of something i have faith that he will use it to further his kingdom, reaching out to those who are in the darkest corners or life.

It was once stated by Jesus in Matthew 9:12 "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick". So i pose this question: How are is the doctor getting to the sick? One of many answer could be through christian heavy metal bands. If you believe that bringing Jesus to people in terms that they can understand is satanic then you better re-examin what it is that you are placing your faith in.

In Christ,

Proximity

Good point! Different people relate to music differently. God has created us all as different individuals. Some people prefer only a certain style of music. Some people, like myself, appreciate many different styles of music! I can listen to Classical (Beethoven, Bach, Mozart), then pop in Skillet, or Gospel Gangstaz, 38th Parallel, then switch gears, and listen to John Michael Talbot, Michael Card, or back to old school (Steve Taylor, Daniel Amos, De Garmo & Key).

People, whether Christian or not, are NOT clones! I'm not a person who gets very excited emotionally at church, and often sit quietly, praising the Lord in my heart, but I don't mind one bit when others at church get really excited, and clap their hands, even loudly, or move around, bounce around, jump, or shout hallelujah. As long as people are respectful within reason. If they start throwing chairs, breaking windows, throwing Bibles and hymn books all around, then that is not from God, and is out of bounds for worship, obviously!

 

[vja4Him]

Your post (below) is nonsense! And sounds like you are mocking God. Are you a true believer in Christ? What are you really trying to say ... ???

I agree.

At our youth group at church during wednesday evening service we all meet in the fellowship hall and meditate on some christian lyrics from rock and blues songs from contemporary titles.

After we get into the songs we the light up some christian marijuana then after we catch a little unholy ghost within our soul we proceed to christian fornicate and christian whoremonger around with all the teens.

What a time we have in fellowship around christian gossiping about christian romance novels we have read during the week and some even comment on the christian porn flicks they found on the net.

It really keeps the teens coming back to church each week and may even have two services for teens during the week, we are still seeking god on that.

I dont see why these fundamentalchurches cant see how it draws in on and attracts the teens to build big youth groups.

 

[ahzmort]

Re:

What is christ-like about imitating punker and gansta attitudes?

Much of the Christian rock these days mimics the "attitude" of the secular punk/metalic/gansta/hard-core rockers, and they think just because they change the wording that it makes all the difference? :o

Since when did Jesus take on the attitude of the sinner in order to bring them to the place of repentance and the recieving of the Holy Spirit?

Answer is: He did not. What he did do is to tell them to "Go and sin no more".

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Hey, here's an interesting thought you've apparently never had. Maybe these people aren't 'imitating' anything but being themselves! If a person listens to country & dresses the part, & gets saved, should they stop wearing cowboy boots & big hats? What is Christ-like about imitating a redneck? OR is it maybe he's not imitating anything, but rather continuing to be himself, the way God made him? What about you? do you 'look Christian'? Do you buy new clothes? If so, why are you imitating the world? You are dressing like they are.

Also, a part of Christian rap/rock is not only to be a witness to the unsaved but also to be a help to the saved.

Bottom line is, a person who is a rocker is a rocker... whether he's Christian or not... same with rappers, rednecks, goths, pop, or any other subculture. And no where in scripture can i see where there is anything wrong with that. In fact, the bible is a celebration of cultural diversity. Just look at the various authors. Were they all the same? Or was the only connection between them that they had a heart from God?

 

[bloodbought09]

If we even put a Christian band before God, then we have made it an idol. But if with a pure heart we use it to praise God in Spirit and in truth, then what is the wrong in that. I have felt the wind and the fire come down because a punk Christian band is playing and they love God with a fervent love, and the same with another praise band. The same fire and wind of the Holy Spirit, but with violence, because the kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force. For me to stand and worship or praise Him with undivided attention is a slap in His face, a fragrance of methane in His nostrils. True worship is a sweet smell to His nostrils and to mine, because I can smell when it is true unhindered worship, but the smell will get so much better, that is in the church I attend, at least. Of course for us to sacrifice a blemished calf upon His altar is an abomination. Alot of people in praise and worship bands need to live and conduct holy lives. It is time for alot of us to stop treating grace as lasciviousness. We are the temple of the Lord and the Holy Spirit. Be blessed, JESUS rules.

Jeremiah 7:1-11

 

[Dude named Louis]

Hello. This is my first post on Christian Forums.net.

I would like to respectfully say that this subject is so tired. I have been listening to people tear down Christian rock and P&W music since the 1990s when I first became a Christian. We have missed so many opportunities as a church (universal) to minister to one another and to the lost because we become divisive in areas like this. I firmly believe (based on my experience) that many who are against modern Christian music are truly against it for stylist reasons and come at the issue with a bias. The music is neutral, an art form. What we do with it makes it either edifying or not; beneficial or not.

If we looked at the issue of music in the church in a more loving and respectful manner, we would be able to build bridges from generation to generation whereby young people would learn and love great hymns of the faith while the more mature would learn and understand the voice of the many today who love the Lord and want to praise Him in an art form that is culturally relevant—a language that they understand.

I don't believe we can declare rock music is satanic any more than we can say public speaking is satanic.

 

[bloodbought09]

The anointing of music has in the past been taken by artists and used to glorify themselves and not God.
Just as satan wanted to be like God, artists have also. The devil was the head of praise and worship in heaven and being his nature, it makes sense that he would use it to bring glory to and to man. Glory to him because of what was said before, and glory to man, to mock God Himself. The anointing is being used to bring God glory by artist today and I do await the sons of thunder. Boagernes, what Jesus called Peter, John, and James. I have had the sons of thunder in my spirit ever since I really read this for the first time. I am sure there is a reason for this. I leave you with this:

1 Peter 2:9-10
9. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10. who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Dude named Louis]

The anointing of music has in the past been taken by artists and used to glorify themselves and not God.
Just as satan wanted to be like God, artists have also.

The same can be said for writers, preachers, etc. And is it just rock music you are referring to? I have seen people gather around for and organ postlude of classical music and the people burst into applause afterwards—not rock music in the least. Same can be said of choirs and soloists. The point you are making does not seem to apply exclusively to rock music.

The internet you are posting on is thought to be satanic by some as well. It is not, it is neutral. Man can use it for evil or for good.

 

[bloodbought09]

The anointing of music has in the past been taken by artists and used to glorify themselves and not God.
Just as satan wanted to be like God, artists have also.

The same can be said for writers, preachers, etc. And is it just rock music you are referring to? I have seen people gather around for and organ postlude of classical music and the people burst into applause afterwards—not rock music in the least. Same can be said of choirs and soloists. The point you are making does not seem to apply exclusively to rock music.

The internet you are posting on is thought to be satanic by some as well. It is not, it is neutral. Man can use it for evil or for good.

Since this is about Christian rock, I am narrowed down to music. Of course there are anointed preachers, teachers, evangelists, with a gift mix that the Holy Spirit bestows upon them. If we are talking about all this other stuff, yes we should do everything for the glory of God. We still fall short of the glory of God. As for a false prophet, is he anointed. It would not make sense that a false prophet would be anointed. Anointing comes from the Holy Spirit and is in the case of Saul in the old testament, his anointing was stripped from him. So, is there an anointing that many acquire from the Holy Spirit, as if God just hands it out to anyone, or is there a spirit of the antichrist anointing? I do not know. It could just be sensual as is the case in Jude, such as: Jude 18-19.

 

[Dude named Louis]

Since this is about Christian rock, I am narrowed down to music. Of course there are anointed preachers, teachers, evangelists, with a gift mix that the Holy Spirit bestows upon them. If we are talking about all this other stuff, yes we should do everything for the glory of God. We still fall short of the glory of God. As for a false prophet, is he anointed. It would not make sense that a false prophet would be anointed. Anointing comes from the Holy Spirit and is in the case of Saul in the old testament, his anointing was stripped from him. So, is there an anointing that many acquire from the Holy Spirit, as if God just hands it out to anyone, or is there a spirit of the antichrist anointing? I do not know. It could just be sensual as is the case in Jude, such as: Jude 18-19.

I guess I understand what you're saying. I don't know about the anointing aspect, I really don't. I guess I hold a simpler view of musicians that they are mostly artists. There is power in music, especially when the intention is to bring people into worship, so I don't want to diminish its importance but at the same time I've met a lot of musicians who took their "anointing" a bit too seriously. I tend to think musicians are simply artists/entertainers.

 

[yepimonfire]

a simple verse can be applied to this, "you will know them by their fruits" its that simple

secondly, rock cannot be satanic or christian, rock is just music, music has no moral standpoint, its all about the intent behind the musicians, i listen to alot of extremly heavy metal bands that have a better christian message then most popular CCM

 

[Dude named Louis]

a simple verse can be applied to this, "you will know them by their fruits" its that simple

secondly, rock cannot be satanic or christian, rock is just music, music has no moral standpoint, its all about the intent behind the musicians, i listen to alot of extremly heavy metal bands that have a better christian message then most popular CCM

 

[Twisted Hawk]

The devil was the head of praise and worship in heaven and being his nature,

Got scripture support for that?

 

[faithtransforms]

This thread is pretty old, but I just wanted to say, if the music glorifies Jesus, who CARES what it sounds like?!?! I've heard Christian metal that glorified Jesus and I've heard Christian rap that glorified Jesus. While I'm not a big fan of either, God uses different music to reach different people.

I would agree that there are probably some Christian bands that aren't very sanctified. But I'm guessing it's not the majority.