I have noticed this is really a taboo subject that a lot of folks don't like to talk about. Well this is a good place to do it, because you can't really tell if people are overweight here, we are all sort of faceless. It's hardly mentioned in the Bible, do you think gluttony is that bad of a sin???
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Is Gluttony really that bad of a sin?
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Are the seven deadly sins in the Bible. My daughter and I were trying to find them, but we couldn't! I think gluttony should be a deadly sin though, because I know it has the distinction of being the second to the highest most preventable death, (in the US) it's a close second to smoking.
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GojuBrian
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Proverbs 6:16-19 declares, “There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: (1) haughty eyes, (2) a lying tongue, (3) hands that shed innocent blood, (4) a heart that devises wicked schemes, (5) feet that are quick to rush into evil, (6) a false witness who pours out lies, and (7) a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.†However, this list is not what most people understand as the “seven deadly sins.â€Â
The list of the “seven deadly sins†of pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed, and wrath, are a sin, but they are not given as the description of "the seven deadly sins" in the Bible that I know of.
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http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/content/wha ... eadly-sins
The list of the “seven deadly sins†of pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed, and wrath, are a sin, but they are not given as the description of "the seven deadly sins" in the Bible that I know of.
Ah...
http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/content/wha ... eadly-sins
If one considers sin to be bad, then yes it really is that bad. Sin is sin because it separates us from God, and sin carries negative consequences with it that are harmful to an individual and usually multiple people are affected. In the case of gluttony, it often can turn into a food addiction or obcession. All addictions take ones` eyes off God and on oneself. Addictions are often times ways that humans try to comfort themselves or deal or not deal with problems in life rather than trusting in God and leaning on Him.
Gluttony also has many terrible physical effects on the body both internally and externally.
It also affects one`s emotions. Often gluttonous people are depressed or sluggish because they are weighed down with excess food.
Gluttony also causes problems for society because society has to pay in one way or another for the medical burdens gluttony puts on an individual`s health.
Gluttony is no less a sin than alcoholism. One is eating too much and the other is drinking too much. The consequences are just different, but both are described as sins in the Bible.
Personally, I think when we look at sins like this, it keeps us humble and reminds us that we are just as needy for God as the town drunk. We Christians often pride ourselves for never drinking, smoking or cursing, but we forget that most of us at one time or another (if not on a regular basis) are guilty of gluttony. I was a child the first time this sin became real to me. It was when buffet restaurants just started opening and my family went to the first buffet restaurant in our area. I was a new Christian but I`d read the Bible so I knew gluttony was a sin. Nevertheless, somehow at that buffet with all the food and ice cream and cake a child could eat made me forget the Bible COMPLETELY. All I saw were those dainties before and I was a glutton for sure. But when I left the restaurant, the scripture of gluttony came to my mind and I felt strongly convicted of my sin. Even though I wasn`t physcially sick as some can get from eating too much, I was spiritually sickened with what I`d done. Since then I`ve tried not to be a glutton anymore but I`ll admit I`ve fallen off the wagon a time or two since them. Sin is sin and we have to own up to it.
Gluttony also has many terrible physical effects on the body both internally and externally.
It also affects one`s emotions. Often gluttonous people are depressed or sluggish because they are weighed down with excess food.
Gluttony also causes problems for society because society has to pay in one way or another for the medical burdens gluttony puts on an individual`s health.
Gluttony is no less a sin than alcoholism. One is eating too much and the other is drinking too much. The consequences are just different, but both are described as sins in the Bible.
Personally, I think when we look at sins like this, it keeps us humble and reminds us that we are just as needy for God as the town drunk. We Christians often pride ourselves for never drinking, smoking or cursing, but we forget that most of us at one time or another (if not on a regular basis) are guilty of gluttony. I was a child the first time this sin became real to me. It was when buffet restaurants just started opening and my family went to the first buffet restaurant in our area. I was a new Christian but I`d read the Bible so I knew gluttony was a sin. Nevertheless, somehow at that buffet with all the food and ice cream and cake a child could eat made me forget the Bible COMPLETELY. All I saw were those dainties before and I was a glutton for sure. But when I left the restaurant, the scripture of gluttony came to my mind and I felt strongly convicted of my sin. Even though I wasn`t physcially sick as some can get from eating too much, I was spiritually sickened with what I`d done. Since then I`ve tried not to be a glutton anymore but I`ll admit I`ve fallen off the wagon a time or two since them. Sin is sin and we have to own up to it.
Nick
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Gluttony is a sin. God considers no sin worse or better than another sin, they are all sins to God.
But I don't think that all Christians should be thin and hardly eat anything. Gluttony is eating food for the sake of it. Some people naturally eat a lot of food, and they might need it. For instance, one of my uncles is a sportsman, and he east like three or four time more than I do, but he needs it. If I were to eat that much, since I don't need it and that would be asolutely ridiculous me eating it, then I would consider that Gluttony.
I don't think we should judge overweight people as being Gluttonous. People can be naturally overweight, or overwieght for some other reason, eg lack of exercise.
Perhaps we all Christians should check out BMI (Biblical Mass Index). :biglol :biglol :biglol
But I don't think that all Christians should be thin and hardly eat anything. Gluttony is eating food for the sake of it. Some people naturally eat a lot of food, and they might need it. For instance, one of my uncles is a sportsman, and he east like three or four time more than I do, but he needs it. If I were to eat that much, since I don't need it and that would be asolutely ridiculous me eating it, then I would consider that Gluttony.
I don't think we should judge overweight people as being Gluttonous. People can be naturally overweight, or overwieght for some other reason, eg lack of exercise.
Perhaps we all Christians should check out BMI (Biblical Mass Index). :biglol :biglol :biglol
Nick I love the BMI! Ain't that the truth! 
:biglol
Wow, Paisley, that is so cool, even at a such a young age you had such a vital relationship with God. That's how God talks to me a lot. I will do something and and then God will remind me of a scripture. I wish I was as obedient as an adult as you were as a child.
Your quote above was the reason I started this thread. I struggled with my weight for years, but because Christians are sweet and don't want to hurt other Christians, I never heard a sermon on it, and there just wasn't that much talk about it. It was easy to pass it off as being "not that bad of a sin". When in reality it is devastating.
However, I was one of those addicted to food Christian, I think another reason you don't hear many sermons on the subject is because it is such a difficult addiction to break. I mean if you are trying to quit an addiction like drugs, or alcohol, even cigarettes, you can just quit buying them and stay away from others who are doing them. The same can't be said for food.
I think food is Satan's most favorite temptation, after all it's what he used the very first time he tempted a human, and it worked so well for him then.
Genesis 3: 66 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
:biglol Wow, Paisley, that is so cool, even at a such a young age you had such a vital relationship with God. That's how God talks to me a lot. I will do something and and then God will remind me of a scripture. I wish I was as obedient as an adult as you were as a child.
Your quote above was the reason I started this thread. I struggled with my weight for years, but because Christians are sweet and don't want to hurt other Christians, I never heard a sermon on it, and there just wasn't that much talk about it. It was easy to pass it off as being "not that bad of a sin". When in reality it is devastating.
However, I was one of those addicted to food Christian, I think another reason you don't hear many sermons on the subject is because it is such a difficult addiction to break. I mean if you are trying to quit an addiction like drugs, or alcohol, even cigarettes, you can just quit buying them and stay away from others who are doing them. The same can't be said for food.
I think food is Satan's most favorite temptation, after all it's what he used the very first time he tempted a human, and it worked so well for him then.
Genesis 3: 66 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
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In regard to the 7 deadly sins, I've answered that in the other thread you started on the topic on fallacies http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37289&p=449284#p449284. So to quote a part of what I wrote in that thread:
"...whenever I refer to the 7 deadly sins as example along with the 10 commandments in a statment, it is because I have a catholic background and my little fingers, out of habit, automatically do that. It didn't occur to me that someone would point out that the 7 deadly is not a "specific listing in the bible". However, that doesn't mean that I am a practicing catholic. I am non-denominational. So that being said, I know it isn't written in the bible as "specifically listing" the 7 deadly sins as being a part of any "specific listing" of any commandments or virtues as are the the 10 commandments, or the friuts of the spirit and as are the virtues of a godly woman, etc. But if one would examine the list of things in the 7 deadly sins, it is evident that all of them IF taken literally or too extremes can and will hinder the "holy spirit" and will eventually destroy the body. Not all catholic writings are taboo. If something is truth I don't deny it. So I agree with the Pope that the The list of the 7 deadly sins is not in any way deceptive or out of line with describing many of those characteristics of the devil which are of those which comes to steal kill and destroy. "
God Bless and Peace to be with ya'll.
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In regard to the 7 deadly sins, I've answered that in the other thread you started on the topic on fallacies http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37289&p=449284#p449284. So to quote a part of what I wrote in that thread:
"...whenever I refer to the 7 deadly sins as example along with the 10 commandments in a statment, it is because I have a catholic background and my little fingers, out of habit, automatically do that. It didn't occur to me that someone would point out that the 7 deadly is not a "specific listing in the bible". However, that doesn't mean that I am a practicing catholic. I am non-denominational. So that being said, I know it isn't written in the bible as "specifically listing" the 7 deadly sins as being a part of any "specific listing" of any commandments or virtues as are the the 10 commandments, or the friuts of the spirit and as are the virtues of a godly woman, etc. But if one would examine the list of things in the 7 deadly sins, it is evident that all of them IF taken literally or too extremes can and will hinder the "holy spirit" and will eventually destroy the body. Not all catholic writings are taboo. If something is truth I don't deny it. So I agree with the Pope that the The list of the 7 deadly sins is not in any way deceptive or out of line with describing many of those characteristics of the devil which are of those which comes to steal kill and destroy. "
God Bless and Peace to be with ya'll.
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Thanks!" I mean if you are trying to quit an addiction like drugs, or alcohol, even cigarettes, you can just quit buying them and stay away from others who are doing them. The same can't be said for food. "
This is very true if we define addiction as the substance. I think with food addictions one has to rethink their definition of addiction because obviously not eating isn`t the solution. Likewise, a drug addict may have to take drugs at some point in their lives to survive if they have a serious illness so the focus has to get off the substance and focus on the deeper problem which is why the person is using a substance and how the person can turn to God to fill that void. The root of the problem usually isn`t the substance. Of course, the substance can be a stumbling block for example crack is addictive so a drug addict should stay away from that. For a food addiction, there are some foods that trigger gluttony so those are the foods that should be avoided, but after that, one has to deal with the heart of the matter. So a food addict can eat without resorting to gluttony, a drug addict can take prescribed medication without developing an addiction, and an alcoholic can use mouth wash without desiring to drink it. If addictions are sin, then it means the addictions are coming from the heart rather than PURELY from the substance. Therefore the solution is primarily in the heart and partly in the substance, in my opinion.
This is very true if we define addiction as the substance. I think with food addictions one has to rethink their definition of addiction because obviously not eating isn`t the solution. Likewise, a drug addict may have to take drugs at some point in their lives to survive if they have a serious illness so the focus has to get off the substance and focus on the deeper problem which is why the person is using a substance and how the person can turn to God to fill that void. The root of the problem usually isn`t the substance. Of course, the substance can be a stumbling block for example crack is addictive so a drug addict should stay away from that. For a food addiction, there are some foods that trigger gluttony so those are the foods that should be avoided, but after that, one has to deal with the heart of the matter. So a food addict can eat without resorting to gluttony, a drug addict can take prescribed medication without developing an addiction, and an alcoholic can use mouth wash without desiring to drink it. If addictions are sin, then it means the addictions are coming from the heart rather than PURELY from the substance. Therefore the solution is primarily in the heart and partly in the substance, in my opinion.
turnorburn
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Ginger
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Yes it's bad as it is a sin.
Anything that is listed specifically as a sin in the bible is very bad as that sin is grieving the holy spirit. We can't and shouldn't rationalize why one sin is worse than the other - all sin is bad as it keeps us from walking closer to God.
One of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control. And one of the opposite evidence of the fruit of the Spirit is lack of self-control ie gluttony. which is why it is a sin I guess!
There are many others but yes gluttony is one of them.
God calls us to have self-control through the Holy Spirit living in us. And we can't let anything have power over us except God. Which is why it's wrong to be addicted to anything - drugs, smoking, gambling, and food. And not allow anything to have control over you - hypnosis, anger etc.
I used to 'pride' myself (yes another sin - the biggest!
) that although I was overweight I wasn't sinning as I wasn't committing gluttony (that's another story).
But just because someone is fat doesn't mean they commit gluttony. I have seen many thin people commit gluttony, and I don't think they even are aware of it.
Anything that is listed specifically as a sin in the bible is very bad as that sin is grieving the holy spirit. We can't and shouldn't rationalize why one sin is worse than the other - all sin is bad as it keeps us from walking closer to God.
One of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control. And one of the opposite evidence of the fruit of the Spirit is lack of self-control ie gluttony. which is why it is a sin I guess!
There are many others but yes gluttony is one of them.
God calls us to have self-control through the Holy Spirit living in us. And we can't let anything have power over us except God. Which is why it's wrong to be addicted to anything - drugs, smoking, gambling, and food. And not allow anything to have control over you - hypnosis, anger etc.
I used to 'pride' myself (yes another sin - the biggest!
) that although I was overweight I wasn't sinning as I wasn't committing gluttony (that's another story). But just because someone is fat doesn't mean they commit gluttony. I have seen many thin people commit gluttony, and I don't think they even are aware of it.
lovely
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Ginger,
I think the point about self-control is a good one, and gluttony is certainly a fleshly, lustful, self-gratifying sin. I always think about Jesus being tempted to turn stones into bread just after a 40 day fast...wow. Because it is a sin it's an offense to God, and for believers it's just good for us to do all things to bring glory to the Lord.
I think the point about self-control is a good one, and gluttony is certainly a fleshly, lustful, self-gratifying sin. I always think about Jesus being tempted to turn stones into bread just after a 40 day fast...wow. Because it is a sin it's an offense to God, and for believers it's just good for us to do all things to bring glory to the Lord.