Is it a sin to take medications?

[Free]

That is certainly true, because they were too afraid to translate the word for what it means. They simply should have translated it "medications" because that is the meaning of the word.

So yes I agree with you. Sorcery is unclear, the verse should have read:

Gal 5:20 idolatry, medication , enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties

Not so quick. The reason they used "sorcery" and "witchcraft" is that pharmakeus refers to the making and administering of potions. Hence, it was thought of potions used in sorcery and witchcraft. However, there is good reason to believe that Paul and John were referring specifically to abortion. There is biblical and extra-biblical support which would suggest that that is what was meant.

Take the following for example:

Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." (ESV)

Notice that "sorcerers" immediately follows "the sexually immoral". It was a widespread, common practice in those days to have an abortion by means of consuming a potion.

To say that it refers to medication in general is to go beyond what the text is saying, especially given Vic's arguments above.

You are right, he has not promised to heal us in the future, His promise is that in Christ we were already healed at the cross . Its only our faith that keeps us from it.

You know what I meant. To say that our faith is at fault is utterly destructive and wrong.

 

[Cornelius]

Not so quick. The reason they used "sorcery" and "witchcraft" is that pharmakeus refers to the making and administering of potions. Hence, it was thought of potions used in sorcery and witchcraft. However, there is good reason to believe that Paul and John were referring specifically to abortion. There is biblical and extra-biblical support which would suggest that that is what was meant.

Take the following for example:

Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." (ESV)

Notice that "sorcerers" immediately follows "the sexually immoral". It was a widespread, common practice in those days to have an abortion by means of consuming a potion.

To say that it refers to medication in general is to go beyond what the text is saying, especially given Vic's arguments above.

You are right, he has not promised to heal us in the future, His promise is that in Christ we were already healed at the cross . Its only our faith that keeps us from it.

You know what I meant. To say that our faith is at fault is utterly destructive and wrong.

I am just going to smile at this. There is absolutely no way that anybody is going to believe this, that can read the scriptures for themselves. Sorry, but ...........this is ..not so quick LOL

C

 

[Cornelius]

The reason they used "sorcery" and "witchcraft" is that pharmakeus refers to the making and administering of potions.

Yes, like in a laboratory

 

[Free]

I am just going to smile at this. There is absolutely no way that anybody is going to believe this, that can read the scriptures for themselves.

So anyone who "can read the scriptures for themselves" should understand the above passages to mean "sorcery" and "witchcraft", correct? Then you have just done away with your point as well and medication is perfectly fine to be taking. If you want to argue that "medication" is valid, then you are going beyond people who "can read the scriptures for themselves" and my point is just as valid, and stronger.

 

[Cornelius]

I am just going to smile at this. There is absolutely no way that anybody is going to believe this, that can read the scriptures for themselves.

So anyone who "can read the scriptures for themselves" should understand the above passages to mean "sorcery" and "witchcraft", correct? Then you have just done away with your point as well and medication is perfectly fine to be taking. If you want to argue that "medication" is valid, then you are going beyond people who "can read the scriptures for themselves" and my point is just as valid, and stronger.

Sorry its not really about us two and who has the better "gift of the gab" but its about studying the Scriptures. And any real student of the Word will tell you that, that word means medication.

Walk up to any Greek today and ask him what it means.

C

 

[Relic]

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PLEASE! Stop putting God in a box that only man can make! The abuse of drugs (medications) is one thing, but to bicker about whether medicine is a good thing or not? I'm truly saddened by what I see taking place in this thread.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Pharisee’s in the days Jesus walked this earth accused him of using witchcraft for putting mud on the blind man's eyes and then telling him to wash it off.

It's fine that some people have witnessed the miracles of healing, and even have seen the dead raised. And it is a blessing that some have been given the gift of healing hands to assist others in the increase of faith for healing. But JESUS knew that NOT ALL HAVE THAT STRONG FAITH in the beginning when they have been afflicted physically in some way or another. Jesus knew that it takes, for some people, to be given more faith and even medicinal assistance in providing a means to bring about a physical change for their healing. Jesus used MUD and WATER as a physical means to assist the blind man for his healing. IF a person did that today... would the Pharisee's of this day say these people are practicing sorcery, or witchcraft using such potions to bring about a healing? The witchcraft, the sorcery.... all that was cursed because they didn't put their prayers/mediations upon GOD as being the original source of the properties that bring about assistance toward healing. They put their prayers and faith in themselves or in some pseudo god, rather than on the ONE Creator Father GOD.

There is nothing wrong with medicine (if not abused) and there is nothing wrong with talismans (communion bread, cup of wine, prayer shawls) THESE ARE ALL MATERIAL THINGS used as assistance for people who are living in bodies (fleshly bodies) that God created .

You can't expect the spiritual realm to be the ONLY means of assistance in a material world that God placed our bodies (material) in. The plants need tending... and there are some plants that ward off pests (bugs) so these plants actually are a material aid for a material thing. The marigold, for instance... it wards off beetles from attacking the tomato plant. As do marigolds. Plants provide assistance to other plants. AS do plants provide assistance to us. Many medicines are still made out of plants! Jesus knew that mud and water were a physical means of assistance to a person who lived in a physical body. Wine is a plant... it has many medicinal properties that help the person (assist) in healing an aliment. But if taken in excess... it can be destructive. Same goes for any plant... if taken in excess it can create more harm than good.

God didn't give us the plants on this earth for just eating... He provided the plants on this earth for assistance in healing the physical also. There are so many plants that provide antioxidants (a healing agent) . And for someone to come along and say pharmakeus is witchcraft is nonsense! Witchcraft and sorcery are a forms 'religions based upon idolatry'.... The means in which they used their potions and talismans were idolatry. NOT the potions and talismans in themselves . It was who they gave credit too for being at the root of it all, what they placed their faith in is what was so wrong! They didn't give GOD the credit for being the provider, they didn't give GOD the credit for being the essence of all that was in the potions (mixtures of plants), they didn't give GOD the credit for being the means to the end! THAT IS WHAT WAS the sin. NOT the medicines or talismans they used. It was the idolatry they committed! They turned away from God as being the root source, the root provider, the root of the means to the end! It wasn't the properties they used for obtaining the healing!
Please STOP putting God in a box in saying that medicine is unnecessary and faith is the only thing we need! That is bunk! And God didn't put us on a physical plain so that we need not utilize the physical things He provided for the maintenance of the physical things. Plants there for our healing, and nourishment! Nourishment.... think about that. without nourishment (means to an end) we starve, we get sick, we die. The physical needs are provided by material things. This world (the material) is God’s creation come from out of spirit (the essence of Him) ... He gave us all things in it for our benefit. Read the book of Genesis. The Garden of Eden was not a spiritual place... The weeds that started to choke out the nourishing plants... didn't happen until God kicked out the sinners (transgressors, the things that came to ruin the perfect garden (Plants are material things) . God didn’t say that man must now LABOR to maintain the garden, UNTIL.... sin/destruction entered in. That doesn't mean the God isn't going to provide the physical beings (us) the materials for maintaining health and nourishment. Plants are medicinal.. And mixing, making “recipes/potions/medicines from out of those plants is not wrong! We are to not abuse or become drunk or become gluttons (carnal self-absorption) on what God provided for us as a means to an end for the maintaining of our health and as the provision for our nourishment. but are to give honor to God His provisions. That doesn’t mean we are to abuse or misappropriate those means to an end. God is the source, God is the only credit we need give to anything. Witchcraft and sorcery misappropriated and that is what was wrong... not the use of concoctions/recipes... It was their ‘god’ they looked to NOT the GOD JHVH as being the ROOT of the means to the end. PLEASE DON’T CONFUSE THE PROVISIONS OF GOD by placing HIM IN your restrictive, limited LITTLE BOXES! Plants are from GOD, not witches or sorcerers who misappropriated the True source. thereby committing Idolatry. That was their sin! Not the things they discovered in the use of potions and plants. JESUS USED MUD and WATER. as a means to an end for the blind man! Does anyone dare say his potion was witchcraft, or sorcery? NO because he gave credit where credit belongs! IN FATHER GOD. THE PROVIDER OF ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND “EARTH†(the material form that HE created for the materialization of that which comes from out of the spiritual) .

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[Vic C.]

Brother Vic, I love you in the Lord But you cannot say things like "REAL faith" and tell people its like an Oprah show. No offense meant , but what you are saying does not have its roots in the Bible, but rather in modern church doctrine, which we received via the hands of the reformers that came out of great apostasy, but they themselves did not come with ALL the answers. We are still suffering from our history as the church. Don't you want to be free from all that old doctrine that was preached during the Dark Ages?
I have SEEN the Lord work in regards to healing. I have witnessed the healing power of God. I have seen a body restored the very minute I laid my hands on the person. I heard the voice of the Lord and prayed and saw. I have seen the Lord work too many times, to NOT believe the Word of God regarding healing.

I mean it when I say, I love you in the Lord Vic, so please do not take offense, because none is intended brother.

C

I am in no way offended. You know that. What I said above was very Biblical! We look at the Gospel message from two very different perspectives and it has nothing to do with the Reformers. Personally, men like Calvin and Luther would be appalled to see what has happened to the Message... and they thought they had issues with the RCC!

You are looking for instant gratification in the form of physical healing now, in your life and lifetime, when I believe in all my heart that that sort of healing is very personal and not to be on display like we see today. In Jesus' time, it was a sign to unbelievers, the ministry of Jesus was just getting it's start. They didn't have the complete written word of God. We do!

I'm looking at the spiritual aspect of healing, the healing of the heart and healing of the soul by the Only one capable of doing such things. He softens hardened hearts in a truly Divine way. He comforts us in our troubled time of sickness and death and that's worth it's weight in salt alone!

This is no episode of Oprah! :gah This is reality.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


Physical healing is NOT a requirement of God; He does not owe us the gift of healing. Physical healing is His will, not ours. When we ask for healing, we must never do it in the form of a command or demand it in any way. We should ask "if it's Your will Father..."

He owes us nothing! Yet every day I ponder over why He cares for us nonetheless. I know why, it's not just because He wants the best for us here and now, for the here and now is temporal. He wants the best for us for all eternity and sacrificed His Son in our place! Wow!!!

That is the Gospel message. Not healing, not prosperity, not anything that can be destroyed by moth and rust. Healing starts at the Cross, but is completed at the resurrection/transformation. It is at THAT time we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible souls forever.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


You mentioned stripes... in reference to Isiah:

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

In context please, lets try not to proof text. :gah

What sort of healing is Isiah prophesying about in this passage? I give you a hint; it wasn't healing from anything physical. ;)

 

[Free]

Sorry its not really about us two and who has the better "gift of the gab" but its about studying the Scriptures. And any real student of the Word will tell you that, that word means medication.

Yes, it is about studying the Scriptures which means that this is going beyond people who "can read the scriptures for themselves".

Plutarch stated that pharmakeia was used mostly for contraception and abortion. The Didache argues against abortion using the words "ou pharmakeuseis" (you shall not use potions). This is followed by "ou phoneuseis teknon en phthora" (you shall not kill a child by abortion). Clement of Alexandria links phramakois with abortion. Minucius Felix, Bishop Ambrose, St. Jerome, Caesarius of Arles and Basil of Caesarea all denounce women who take potions and drugs for the purpose of abortion. (taken from Under the Influence: How Christianity Transformed Civilization, by Alvin J. Schmidt)

Real students of the Word look at all sources and contexts to try and understand what the author was actually saying. They don't take a theology and work backwards by putting meanings on words that were never intended. If I was a betting man I would wager that only the "name-it-and-claim-it" and Word of Faith types are the only ones in the history of Christianity who would understand pharmakeia to mean "medication", in a general sense. Again, this is rebutted by Paul's mentioning to Timothy to take some wine, as was pointed out.

 

[Vic C.]

I am just going to smile at this. There is absolutely no way that anybody is going to believe this, that can read the scriptures for themselves. Sorry, but ...........this is ..not so quick LOL

C

C'mon C, that was a little over the top. I feel you owe Free an apology.

 

[Cornelius]

I am in no way offended. You know that. What I said above was very Biblical! We look at the Gospel message from two very different perspectives and it has nothing to do with the Reformers. Personally, men like Calvin and Luther would be appalled to see what has happened to the Message... and they thought they had issues with the RCC!

I agree that the church has lost the pure gospel. Its sad , true but true to prophecy.

You are looking for instant gratification in the form of physical healing now, in your life and lifetime, when I believe in all my heart that that sort of healing is very personal and not to be on display like we see today. In Jesus' time, it was a sign to unbelievers, the ministry of Jesus was just getting it's start. They didn't have the complete written word of God. We do!

It would be sad to call health "instant gratification" . Its something that God gave is right in the beginning and then Satan stole it. Then Jesus came to take it back for the believers, and now we say "No thanks".
The healing was never for sign for unbelievers (tongues were ) Basically healing has always been the inheritance of the people of God. That is why Jesus told the Samaritan woman that He came to Israel (the people of the covenant, which included healing) when she asked for healing for her child. Now WE are the people of God, and our inheritance includes the healing of our bodies.

I'm looking at the spiritual aspect of healing, the healing of the heart and healing of the soul by the Only one capable of doing such things. He softens hardened hearts in a truly Divine way. He comforts us in our troubled time of sickness and death and that's worth it's weight in salt alone!

The Bible does not make us choose between a healthy soul and a healthy body. Both are the inheritance of the believer. Why do you believe God will heal your soul, if He does not want to heal your body. Is there scripture for this., Of course not brother.

Physical healing is NOT a requirement of God; He does not owe us the gift of healing. Physical healing is His will, not ours. When we ask for healing, we must never do it in the form of a command or demand it in any way. We should ask "if it's Your will Father..."

I beg to differ, Its a command from Jesus : Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons: freely ye received, freely give.
Please note that in all the gospels Jesus never taught them that only some must be healed, but Jesus healed ALL, except when they really displayed unbelief.

He owes us nothing!

Yet He gave us everything

Yet every day I ponder over why He cares for us nonetheless. I know why, it's not just because He wants the best for us here and now, for the here and now is temporal. He wants the best for us for all eternity and sacrificed His Son in our place! Wow!!!

That is the Gospel message. Not healing, not prosperity, not anything that can be destroyed by moth and rust. Healing starts at the Cross, but is completed at the resurrection/transformation. It is at THAT time we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible souls forever.

Now see this is when I say you do the "Oprah" thing .You are only using words , but these words have root in your church doctrine.
The true Gospel message is saved......saved from the curse, here and now.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Healing is precisely the will of God

You mentioned stripes... in reference to Isiah:

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

In context please, lets try not to proof text. :gah

What sort of healing is Isiah prophesying about in this passage? I give you a hint; it wasn't healing from anything physical. ;)

[/quote]

And you get this idea from?

1Pe 2:24 who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.


G2390
ἰάομαι
iaomai
ee-ah'-om-ahee
Middle voice of apparently a primary verb; to cure (literally or figuratively): - heal, make whole.

I know the God I serve, heals and He is a good Father who is better than any earthly Father. So if you think otherwise, tell me: Would you like to make your children suffer when its in your power to instantly heal them. Or would you tell them to suffer until they die,and they inherit their spiritual bodies. (which obviously does not need the stripes of Jesus to be healed, because they kind of are issued without defect )

Do you know that I think God is saddened because religion has stolen what He did for us?

 

[sheshisown]

Hello precious brothers and sisters~ :waving

Our Lord Jesus Christ did not always heal immediately, remember how he waited three days for lazarus to die, that the glory of God might be known? Some of us saints wait until we get to heaven for our healing... otherwise my mom would still be with us. Every healing is in the awesome power and under the single authority of our Father in heaven.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. James 1:17 NKJV

Who healed every single time He sought to? Christ alone. WHY?
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38

Because... Jesus was always~ anointed by Spirit and went about doing good.
He never did an evil thing, He hated evil.
He always did the right thing.
He alone qualifies for acceptance by the Father in every single prayer request... :heart

Though we may seek good things always in our prayers, not all our requests are according to the perfect will of God. Golly, if they were how many people would already have salvation, be cured of horrible diseases, and how this world would be changed!

It is oh so edifying to me to hear of the blessed faith of those who have walked with our Lord before us~ especially through grave trial~ allowing God's Sovereignity to reign rather than thier own desires, no matter how good these desires may be.

Here is a poem I that was found in the breast pocket of a soldier on the field of Gettysburg, hand written and well worn through constant use...

A Soldiers Prayer
I asked God for strength, that I might achieve,
I was made weak that I might learn humbly to obey.
I asked God for health, that I might do great things,
I was given infirmity that I might do better things.
I asked God for riches that I might be happy,
I was given poverty that I might be made wise.
I asked for power that I might have the praise of men,
I was given weakness that I might feel the need for God.
I asked for all things that I might enjoy life,
I was given life that I might enjoy all things.
I received nothing I asked for but everything I had hoped for,
Almost in spite of myself my unspoken prayers were answered,
I am among all men the most richly blessed.

bonnie

 

[Cornelius]

Hello precious brothers and sisters~ :waving

Our Lord Jesus Christ did not always heal immediately, remember how he waited three days for lazarus to die, that the glory of God might be known? Some of us saints wait until we get to heaven for our healing...

I really cannot believe you use this as an example. Tell me did Lazarus, when Jesus finally made it , come out dead or alive ?
Did Jesus say: Wait brother Lazarus, you already are alive and well in the afterlife, so be happy. Its not God's will for you to live.

No, He called him forth.

Please do not use this as an example, lets stay in context !

 

[Cornelius]

Who healed every single time He sought to? Christ alone. WHY?
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38

Because... Jesus was always~ anointed by Spirit and went about doing good.
He never did an evil thing, He hated evil.
He always did the right thing.
He alone qualifies for acceptance by the Father in every single prayer request... :heart

I praise God for this exact same Christ , is living in me too. In fact, it is this same Christ, that still brings healing to our bodies.

 

[Cornelius]

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever.

 

[Vic C.]

The Bible does not make us choose between a healthy soul and a healthy body. Both are the inheritance of the believer. Why do you believe God will heal your soul, if He does not want to heal your body. Is there scripture for this., Of course not brother.

There is plenty of passages that point to this. The entire whole of God's word is Him revealing to us how He is going to reconcile Man with Himself. Our bodies are temporal; it's our souls which will inherit immortality. We have given you much scripture, but you are blinded by your belief that the churches have corrupted the word, so you are blind to our understanding of scripture as well.

I don't see you say much about what is to come; you seem so preoccupied with the here and now. Many posts above question the damage your position can do to the faith of a believer. You didn't properly address the concerns of Jojo and her experiences. You backpedaled and began to tell us David and Goliath stories that have little to do with healing but everything to do with Faith and the courage it brings about.

Now see this is when I say you do the "Oprah" thing .You are only using words , but these words have root in your church doctrine.

Again, this is not Church doctrine, it is Biblical and I'm sure we can come up with an entire systematic approach to this doctrine. No need to because it's right there; it has been. Some folks would rather rethink and "retell" the Message that has been passed on for 2,000 years. This new (liberal) approach to Biblical theology I see among many of the unchurched (not all) is sort of like historical revisionism. :verysad

The true Gospel message is saved......saved from the curse, here and now.

There it is... the here and now. Where is the message for the future and for eternity? Justification is for the here and now; sanctification is an ongoing process and is completed at the resurrection. God will heal whom He chooses and not heal another for thew same said reasons; it's His choice.

Would you like to make your children suffer when its in your power to instantly heal them. Or would you tell them to suffer until they die,and they inherit their spiritual bodies. (which obviously does not need the stripes of Jesus to be healed, because they kind of are issued without defect )

Ahh, sensationalism! I want both for the believer. Sure I want them to be healed, but I also desire they be fully prepared for whatever God (and this world) has in store for them. I just can't in good conscience, tell anyone they will be healed because of their faith. I can however, tell them that no matter the outcome, there is a God in Heaven that will care for them and watch over them and that He gave us the gift of His Son so that we may be unaffected by the second death and be in His presence forever, just because we believed in Him. (John 3:16)

Do you know that I think God is saddened because religion has stolen what He did for us?

I could say the same, that He is very unhappy when he looks down at what is going on with His Word today. It really doesn't matter what we think though, does it?

 

[Cornelius]

OK Vic, I think I have said, what I believe and do not want to add more. I think people can read through all of this and with the Bible in one hand, check for themselves if God will still heal.

I did not expand much while posting, so it will come across that I am legalistic about medicine. I am not. .In our fellowship some take medicine, (I have too)and some do not.

We do not make laws about what you must believe and what not. Only this:We support those who want to walk in faith and never discourage anybody who are trusting in the Lord for their healing.

So in short; It depends where one's faith it. Sometimes the same person will stand in victory today and tomorrow they fall again. Its about the growth , without condemnation. But never think that faith cannot grow to:Mat 17:20 And he saith unto them,... for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed...................... nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Nothing , means healing too, will not be impossible if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed.


blessings
C

 

[JoJo]

I am grateful that the Lord did not leave us with a "maybe" religion, but with a sure clarity of His will in all matters

Healing is one such clear matter. Its been muddled up through the ages, but the Bible is clear that if we are not living in willing sin.........God will heal all . He will not bring you under the curse, if you are not living in willful sin. If you are living in the righteousness of Christ,then the curse has no power over you.

1)The curse (and sickness is part of the curse) with no cause will not come upon anybody:

Pro 26:2 As the sparrow in her wandering, as the swallow in her flying, So the curse that is causeless alighteth not.

2) God may want to test your faith, like Job, but the end should be victory and health.

Cornelius, when my son had cancer, he was 16 year old and quite capable of willfully sinning...I'll give you that much. But please explain the little boy who shared my son's room a couple of times. He was less than two years old and was stricken with cancer. Please tell me, how is it possible that he was guilty of living in willful sin???

Are you telling me that every person who gets sick is willfully living in sin?

No, I did not say that , did I ?

This is what you said: "He will not bring you under the curse, if you are not living in willful sin. If you are living in the righteousness of Christ,then the curse has no power over you."

Can you see my confusion?

 

[Cornelius]

Can you see my confusion?

JoJo, if you read the Bible , you will see that , that is ONE condition. So if you are NOT willfully sinning, then you can be sure that this is not the curse, but a test , or 2) it could be a generation curse (as I explained before)

Job was righteous man, but there was something in his heart, that God still wanted to show him. In the end Job saw and repented. Many times we are also just in a "Job testing" if we are not in sin.

If we are in willful sin , then of course the door to Satan is wide open and we have to bear the consequences, one of which could be sickness.

We see in the story of the blind man, that sin was not the reason for his blindness (although the disciples were aware that sin could have been the cause, and Jesus knew this too, because He did not correct them, He just said that in this case, it was not sin, but that the works of God be made manifest in him ) Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither did this man sin, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
So here Jesus is dealing with two reasons, 1) this man did not sin 2) and this is not a generation curse (parents did not sin)

 

[Cornelius]

So sickness can be the result of:
1) Willful sin (it brings the curse)

if not sin , we are under the blood and then:

2) God is testing our faith
3) or like Job, God is doing a work in us , before He returns our health to us.

 

[JoJo]

So sickness can be the result of:
1) Willful sin (it brings the curse)

if not sin , we are under the blood and then:

2) God is testing our faith
3) or like Job, God is doing a work in us , before He returns our health to us.

Thank you for clarifying. But, Cornelius, I would request that you refrain from continuously making comments like, "if you read the Bible." I do read the Bible.

When a child gets sick, is it a sin to get medical help for him? On the other hand, is it a sin to refuse medical treatment and allow your child to die? These are rhetorical questions; something to think about.