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Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?
 
Ps 36:5 ¶ Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds.
6 Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast.
7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
8 They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures.
9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
10 O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.
11 Let not the foot of pride come against me, and let not the hand of the wicked remove me.
12 There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.

AMEN!
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Yeah, it's hard to believe because
it assumes that's going to be the case when that is more than likely not going to be the case whatsoever.

It's called 'begging the question' aka presuming a position as a fact when it's only a presumption of many possible presumptions.

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt?

Yes, in a way He did. Nearly every last one died in the desert. Because of 'unbelief' no less. After all they saw. Quite incredible really when you stop and think about it. If there was ever a 'story' in the Exodus that's it. The incredible power of unbelief, even in the face of God openly engaging the populace.

Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released?

All shadows, types and figures. To try to equate Spiritual matters then to what they may really represent will not do your sights any service.

It's not like God is going to post a sign somewhere that says 'START HERE.'

And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

NOT a chance. Not even one little bit of a chance.

I'd suggest to cease reading the end time novels.

s
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

It is called the Place of Safety...

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Now before anyone says "Oh, that is the nation of Israel", read verse 17. Does the State of Israel today keep the Commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ? Of course not, this is speaking of the church. A woman in prophecy is symbolic of a church, whether God's church or a great false church. Here is an example of the latter...

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

The place of refuge for Israel was not in fact a place of refuge at all. What it was was a destination or end goal. Along the way to their destination they lost a whole generation of people, endured plagues and hardships, and even witnessed massive deaths first hand.
As far as the supposed future time that has been termed by many as The Great Tribulation, I find evidence lacking for their actually ever being such a time prophesied about the future.
 
Now before anyone says "Oh, that is the nation of Israel", read verse 17. Does the State of Israel today keep the Commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ? Of course not, this is speaking of the church. A woman in prophecy is symbolic of a church, whether God's church or a great false church. Here is an example of the latter...


Gotta disagree with Mr. Bachelor on the above statements. Women in prophesy is not defacto 'church' as has been taught by certain groups. The woman mentioned in chp 12 may very well be a reference to the Kingdom established by Jesus that Daniel prophesied, but the woman of chapter 17 is very unlikely to be any church, the Papacy, etc. A careful reading of the Revelation texts closely mirrors texts in Jeremiah that discuss a 'great whore' and what we can see is that the Great Whore was Jerusalem according to the scriptures.
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

Psa 91:2 - I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Do believers during any tribulation place their trust in God, or in their physical location? If God can save Jonah in the belly of a fish, I'm pretty sure He can save a believer anywhere.:thumbsup
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

Psa 91:2 - I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Do believers during any tribulation place their trust in God, or in their physical location? If God can save Jonah in the belly of a fish, I'm pretty sure He can save a believer anywhere.:thumbsup

Can you believe people would actually believe there is a 'safe spot' as in an earthly location?

Don't let the word out to speculators!

s
 
Christ is our refuge

Yes, Amen!


Gal_4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal_4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev_21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


It is "in" Christ. I also see it connected to being marked like the inkhorn type of thing...Christ knows who are His and are protected. However, if His leading is to go somewhere...yes by all means do it, if He is revealing that to you. If there is a place to go...that will take hearing His voice and being in obedience and go. Whatever "His" will is.
 
Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?
Not at all hard.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
 
Is it hard to believe that God will...

Is it hard to believe that God will provide a place-of-refuge for a pocket of believers during the GT?

Did God abandon Israel after getting her released from bondage in Egypt? Did He not have the promised land (a place-of-refuge) in mind before He started the whole process of getting Israel released? And if God did provide a place-of-refuge for Israel back then, is there reason to believe that He wouldn't do the same for believers in the future?

I don't question God is not more than able to put his church into safety. He has always put his people in Safety without fail.

My question is where is He going to hide the False Prophet and Antichrist from us if He leaves His Anointed Church here? Where would they be able to hide? Two anointed witness give Him enough trouble, How about just a million of use anointed with the Power of the Holy Spirit with all authority over him? Jesus backing His Word with Mighty signs following?

Mike.
 
My question is where is He going to hide the False Prophet and Antichrist from us if He leaves His Anointed Church here? Where would they be able to hide? Two anointed witness give Him enough trouble, How about just a million of use anointed with the Power of the Holy Spirit with all authority over him? Jesus backing His Word with Mighty signs following?


Oh I love this, it's a power post. Go team!
 
None of the Israelites were believers in the true God because they never knew Him. Only the prophets knew the true Creator of all things. It wasn't easy for Moses to keep the Israelites believing in the faith he had in our Creator since they were all enduring hardships out in the desert and away from the Egyption life that they were familiar with. The reason God kept them out in the desert for so long was to have them forget about their Egyptian life where they were given a moderately good life to live, like we're experiencing in the United States. They weren't the kind of slaves we think about when the Africans were here working in the fields for the American farmers and being sold for their labor. They were slaves of the Egyptian system that kept them in poverty and away from learning architectural training such as Moses received.

It could have taken Moses many years to convince these Israelites to leave Egypt but in the Genesis account, it appears it happened in a short time, just like they symbolic six day creation story, which is absurd to think God created everything in six days. Or the story of Babel, which is still going on today. Most of the stories in the Bible are symbolic, not to be taken literally.
 
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