Growth Is keeping your Body Fit an Acceptable Sacrifice to the Lord?

[Free]

Taking a look at what the Bible says for Christians regarding what they may eat, let's look at what Jesus himself said:

Mar 7:18 And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
Mar 7:19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.) (ESV).

This is reaffirmed in a vision Peter had:

Act 10:9 The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
Act 10:10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance
Act 10:11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
Act 10:12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
Act 10:14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
Act 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common."
Act 10:16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven. (ESV)

And again reaffirmed by Paul:

Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
Rom 14:15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil.
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Rom 14:18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
Rom 14:19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Rom 14:20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
Rom 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
Rom 14:22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves.
Rom 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. (ESV)

Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Col 2:17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. (ESV)

This very clearly shows that we are not bound by any of the OT dietary restrictions; no one is. But of course, with all that said, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't make healthy, responsible dietary choices given all the garbage that is available today, nor should we just eat however much we want. In no way does all that free us from the responsibility of taking care of our health but I also don't think it means we shouldn't enjoy certain things now and again.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Well, Free:

We'll just have to agree to disagree. The verses you quoted are way out of context, and some of those same ones are used against my wanting to keep the feast days of Yahweh as well. But as with the feasts, Paul was not saying a Christian should not keep them, and he was not advocating eating anything. But I don't feel like extrapolating on that right now. But the Law was good then and it is good now, today. What Yahweh did not want the children of Israel to eat, I can't imagine it would be healthy today.

As for the worldly vs biblical advice, I was referring to the stuff they tell you to eat or not eat. For example, in the past it was said to remove the egg yolks or have margarine over butter due to cholesterol and saturated fats. This is wrong. The bible does not condemn these foods but allows them, and the same can be said of salt. Since all the offerings were offered with salt, why do you think Yahweh wanted his priests running around with high blood pressure? Ever think of that? Or did you even know that they ate all that salt? The answer is it does not give high blood pressure, thus a logical biblical deduction. So a Christian may be sincere thinking he's keeping his body fit for the Holy Spirit and meanwhile depriving it of the healthy foods Yahweh created because "it is bad for your health". And I just don't listen to them if I know this, but some Christians are in bondage listening to that advice when they can be free.

If a person is familiar with the bible, the Law and the priests and so forth, you can see there's plenty of dietary advice there if one reads between the lines, and people have even written books on biblical diets. I just wanted to clarify these important points and again, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Free]

Well, Free:

We'll just have to agree to disagree. The verses you quoted are way out of context, and some of those same ones are used against my wanting to keep the feast days of Yahweh as well.

The verses say what they say and they are pretty clear. There is nothing taken out of context--everything is clean. And the very reason they are clean is because the Law has been done away with. That is abundantly clear in the NT. That is, of course, for another discussion.

But as with the feasts, Paul was not saying a Christian should not keep them, and he was not advocating eating anything. But I don't feel like extrapolating on that right now.

Of course Paul wasn't advocating eating just anything, but he makes it very clear that what was considered unclean and unfit for eating under the Law, was now okay to eat. This is exactly what Jesus said as well.

But the Law was good then and it is good now, today.

Good for what? Bringing recognition of sin and the inability to keep the Law? Sure. But are we to follow the Law? Not at all. Anyone who does shouldn't then be also following Christ.

What Yahweh did not want the children of Israel to eat, I can't imagine it would be healthy today.

You're presuming that there were health reasons behind God's commands to Israel. Not that it matters since we are allowed to eat everything they were not.

As for the worldly vs biblical advice, I was referring to the stuff they tell you to eat or not eat. For example, in the past it was said to remove the egg yolks or have margarine over butter due to cholesterol and saturated fats. This is wrong.

Wrong in what way?

The bible does not condemn these foods but allows them, and the same can be said of salt. Since all the offerings were offered with salt, why do you think Yahweh wanted his priests running around with high blood pressure? Ever think of that? Or did you even know that they ate all that salt? The answer is it does not give high blood pressure, thus a logical biblical deduction.

Wow, no. You are reading way too much into such things in the Bible and as such are misinterpreting it and misusing it.

So a Christian may be sincere thinking he's keeping his body fit for the Holy Spirit and meanwhile depriving it of the healthy foods Yahweh created because "it is bad for your health". And I just don't listen to them if I know this, but some Christians are in bondage listening to that advice when they can be free.

Everyone who is into fitness generally eats healthy. People can be in bondage to all sorts of things, including their own beliefs, even those regarding what they think the Bible says.

If a person is familiar with the bible, the Law and the priests and so forth, you can see there's plenty of dietary advice there if one reads between the lines, and people have even written books on biblical diets. I just wanted to clarify these important points and again, we can agree to disagree.

Then we will have to agree to disagree because you are wrong.

 

[jasoncran]

cattle can have worms and so can sheep. imagine that. and how would the Hebrews now how to remove them? its not in the bible. im sure they might have some but really parasites from sheep and cattle to humans were quite common.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

I thank all of you for your input, however, this is getting a bit out of hand. I was trying to say in my original post that it is important to keep your body healthy. It is your service to the Lord. In days past we did a lot of physical work and we didn't have the availability to the diversity of food that we have today. Now we live a very sedentary lifestyle and we have so many foods available. Most processed food is completely void of any usable nutrients and so is fast food. When you get exercise and put the right kind of food into your bodies you feel better and you are able to serve God better because everything your body, your mind, and your spirit are all connected.

I know this from experience. I used to be over 300 pounds. I lost 130 pounds and now I feel much better. I have made it my goal to eat as healthy as I possibly can. I can tell the difference right away when I put unhealthy food into my body.

Our bodies are also the "temple of the Holy Spirit." We should honor the Holy Spirit. The Spirit that comes from the most high God of the Universe. The all powerful one. The Holy God. Being overweight and unhealthy is dishonoring God when we can do something about it. A healthy diet and health is one way we serve God, just as keeping our bodies from sexual sin is a way of serving God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Many people condition their bodies to keep healthy, but yet also die from disease. Gluttony comes in many forms as it brings about lust within us and we need not to be lusting after anything of this flesh, but to be Spiritually maintaining our mind, body and soul.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

Many people condition their bodies to keep healthy, but yet also die from disease. Gluttony comes in many forms as it brings about lust within us and we need not to be lusting after anything of this flesh, but to be Spiritually maintaining our mind, body and soul.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

The food we eat today is not food made by God, it is mostly a bunch of chemicals. Some of it isn't even food, just a conglomeration of chemicals. It is modified with unknown bacteria that causes mysterious illnesses that the doctors can't figure out. It causes cancer, diabetes, sterility, and all kinds of other chronic diseases. It is chemically broken down so that it is stripped of all of it's nutrients. Are you saying then that it is Ok to eat something that you know will kill you? Would you deliberately take arsenic because "what goes into man can't defile him?"

 

[Gary]

The food we eat today is not food made by God, it is mostly a bunch of chemicals. Some of it isn't even food, just a conglomeration of chemicals. It is modified with unknown bacteria that causes mysterious illnesses that the doctors can't figure out. It causes cancer, diabetes, sterility, and all kinds of other chronic diseases. It is chemically broken down so that it is stripped of all of it's nutrients. Are you saying then that it is Ok to eat something that you know will kill you? Would you deliberately take arsenic because "what goes into man can't defile him?"

Perhaps you could supply a list of foods that aren't touched by herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. A list of foods that aren't genetically altered.
.

 

[for_his_glory]

The food we eat today is not food made by God, it is mostly a bunch of chemicals. Some of it isn't even food, just a conglomeration of chemicals. It is modified with unknown bacteria that causes mysterious illnesses that the doctors can't figure out. It causes cancer, diabetes, sterility, and all kinds of other chronic diseases. It is chemically broken down so that it is stripped of all of it's nutrients. Are you saying then that it is Ok to eat something that you know will kill you? Would you deliberately take arsenic because "what goes into man can't defile him?"

No, I never said to eat something that we know would kill us. That would be like those who handle snakes believing they can not be bitten just to try and prove a point. What I said, but maybe didn't come across right is that what we need to eat is healthy foods that are chemical free. I'm not much for fast foods as sometimes I wonder if the hamburg is really hamburg. What I am saying is that it is God who sanctifies our food as we give thanks for what He has provided for us that is good for nutrition. It's like a doctor told me years ago that a diet is only as good as it is followed, but one only needs to eat right and get exercise to maintain a healthy body.

1Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

 

[Free]

Perhaps you could supply a list of foods that aren't touched by herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. A list of foods that aren't genetically altered.
.

A list is impossible, of course. Rather, look for certified organic and non-GMO.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

No, I never said to eat something that we know would kill us. That would be like those who handle snakes believing they can not be bitten just to try and prove a point. What I said, but maybe didn't come across right is that what we need to eat is healthy foods that are chemical free. I'm not much for fast foods as sometimes I wonder if the hamburg is really hamburg. What I am saying is that it is God who sanctifies our food as we give thanks for what He has provided for us that is good for nutrition. It's like a doctor told me years ago that a diet is only as good as it is followed, but one only needs to eat right and get exercise to maintain a healthy body.

1Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Then we are one the same page, we just weren't communicating in the right way. Is fast food hamburger really hamburger? Well it doesn't decompose in 15 years, so I would submit to you that it isn't real hamburger. I heard a story of a guy that bought a McDonald's hamburger back in 1994 or something like that. He put the hamburger in his coat pocket and put the coat away forgetting about the hamburger. He went back to his closet 15 years later to look at the coat. He found the hamburger in the pocket still not decomposed. Real, live food will break down after a time. I would say that there is something really strange about a hamburger that will not ever decompose. I'm not eating it, that's for sure.

Like your picture, btw.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

Perhaps you could supply a list of foods that aren't touched by herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. A list of foods that aren't genetically altered.
.

That is very difficult to do. They don't label GMO foods and when they do label stuff like MSG they deceptively label it. I would say that you need to stay with food labeled organic and non-GMO. Buy from local food markets as much as possible, and buy grass fed meats and raw organic dairy. Stay away from anything processed and fast food. I can't say I am always perfect with this because it is difficult to find food that isn't contaminated with something, but I have done away with most of the chemical junk from my diet.

 

[for_his_glory]

Then we are one the same page, we just weren't communicating in the right way. Is fast food hamburger really hamburger? Well it doesn't decompose in 15 years, so I would submit to you that it isn't real hamburger. I heard a story of a guy that bought a McDonald's hamburger back in 1994 or something like that. He put the hamburger in his coat pocket and put the coat away forgetting about the hamburger. He went back to his closet 15 years later to look at the coat. He found the hamburger in the pocket still not decomposed. Real, live food will break down after a time. I would say that there is something really strange about a hamburger that will not ever decompose. I'm not eating it, that's for sure.

Like your picture, btw.

So glad we got that cleared up . My husband and I do a lot of four-wheeling in the summer. This was one of our big rides with my brothers.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

Sounds like a lot of fun. I pray your hip will be better and you can still do it again this summer.

 

[jasoncran]

I should ask the local organic farm that I found near me. I know that organic can be well interesting to say the least.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

I should ask the local organic farm that I found near me. I know that organic can be well interesting to say the least.

What is "interesting" about it? Granted it won't be all uniform and pretty, but it is much better for you than the chemically spayed stuff you buy at the grocery store.

 

[jasoncran]

What is "interesting" about it? Granted it won't be all uniform and pretty, but it is much better for you than the chemically spayed stuff you buy at the grocery store.

a chicken farm..http://www.grassfedtraditions.com/p...=adcenter&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Poultry

chickens die all the time. and when they do another chicken will eat it. yets it safe. is what killed that chicken now in the meat that im eating. don't know all the time. that is from a biologist that I worked with who worked in the citrus industry, usda and orca.she is in to aquaculture. I know the local organic farm must use pestides. they have to florida has bugs and well the famous thinks that were supposed to kill mosquitos called love bugs were hatched in florida. we tried to use a toad. I will ask there two of them on the grid. I should have asked the one in town that grows for juices to sell and see what they do.

just because they use natural things doesn't mean that it will work. case in point.my dog was poisioned by these and I kill upon contact.

http://www.wec.ufl.edu/extension/wildlife_info/frogstoads/bufo_marinus.php

Description: The Giant Toad (a.k.a. Marine Toad or Cane Toad) is the largest of the frogs and toads found in Florida. The giant toad is not native to the United States. It was originally released in the U.S. in sugar cane fields to help control “white grubs,” larvae of pest Scarabaeidae. B. marinus became established in southern Florida as result of accidental release of about 100 specimens from the stock of a pet dealer at Miami airport in 1955, and by subsequent releases by pet dealers in the 1960s (Krakauer, 1968). Giant Toads are a highly predacious exotic species that will eat all types of native frogs and toads. This species is skilled at locating all types of food, they have even been known to eat pet food.

 

[Xleniz]

I havent bicycled much, and when I did there was something preventing my muscles.
Im just telling, trigger points is solving all kind of "dishealth" in my life, such as the feeling of not being hungry. Feeling well is something satisfying, a gift from God!

I was sad? trigger points.
I was tired? trigger points.
I was not feeling "enough"? trigger points.
I was not being in school much? trigger points.

Give God the Glory!
Blessings,

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

a chicken farm..http://www.grassfedtraditions.com/p...=adcenter&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Poultry

chickens die all the time. and when they do another chicken will eat it. yets it safe. is what killed that chicken now in the meat that im eating. don't know all the time. that is from a biologist that I worked with who worked in the citrus industry, usda and orca.she is in to aquaculture. I know the local organic farm must use pestides. they have to florida has bugs and well the famous thinks that were supposed to kill mosquitos called love bugs were hatched in florida. we tried to use a toad. I will ask there two of them on the grid. I should have asked the one in town that grows for juices to sell and see what they do.

just because they use natural things doesn't mean that it will work. case in point.my dog was poisioned by these and I kill upon contact.

http://www.wec.ufl.edu/extension/wildlife_info/frogstoads/bufo_marinus.php

Nothing is perfect, I guess. But I would think it would be better than buying food that is all chemicals and has absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever.

 

[jasoncran]

Nothing is perfect, I guess. But I would think it would be better than buying food that is all chemicals and has absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever.

its said that store bought greens is no worse nor better then organic.