Is Muhammad the Comforter?

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  1. markathome

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    Then we have those preaching for others to act like the A-Word?

    Militant Islam comes to Main Street, USA
    Such sentiments can be heard routinely in mosques throughout the Arab and Muslim world, and even in the world's highest institutions of Islamic learning. But what made this speech different was that it was delivered at a mosque in Davis, California
     
  2. kiwidan

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    The Spirit of God is the Comforter.
     
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  3. calvin

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    Firstly an apology (belated) I meant to go back and edit that sadly brief post but got caught up on things. So I do fully understand your reaction.
    I agree completely that some (many) muslims are what I can only describe as sub-human due to the atrocities they practice world wide. I suspect that many of those who attach themselves to groups like isis are nothing more that rapists at heart and use these terrorist organizations as a vehicle for their own personal evil lusts. Not saying that the various terrorist groups are not Islam based, just that they recruit the dregs of humanity.
    That said, what I am not at all comfortable with is the accusation that Allah is the devil, or a demon.
    I am aware that there are articles on the web denouncing Allah as the moon god and I am also aware that there are also many articles (Wikki for one) that tie Allah to the God of Abraham and Ishmael.
    It is common knowledge that Arabs claim the covenental promises given by God to Abram as their own birthright through Ishmael. (first born son)
    I am not at all apologizing for muslims... I agree that in denying Christ Jesus, they are practising Antichrists, though they are not themselves 'the' Antichrist.
    I have been looking for evidence of the reason why the crescent moon is often used and associated with Islam and brushing aside hate filled articles, I came to this article that seems to be reasonable and insightful regarding the use of the crescent moon; https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-new-moon-become-the-symbol-of-Islam
    We Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on Dec 25, which some link to some pagan date for something or other. We celebrate the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus at Easter, which some equally hate filled articles denounce as a pagan holiday or similar.
    We know that Dec.25 is not the actual birth date of Jesus, but we celebrate Christmas with a pure conscience, because for us it is not pagan. In like manner we celebrate Easter as a remembrance of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus with a pure conscience and not as a pagan festival; though the secular world is sure making as much pagan mileage as possible out of these times.
    All that said, you have not provided good evidence, nor can I find any compelling evidence that Allah is either the Satan or a demon either in actuality or in the mindset of muslims.
    If you have any compelling evidence, I am open to instruction.

    EDIT::: I have tried to open the above link and am met with a server error message. I hope this will be only temporary so here is another link dealing with the same issue, though not as fully perhaps..:::http://muslimvoices.org/crescent-moon-islam/
     
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  4. Jim Parker

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    Then you should consider the historic actions of Muslims since their inception as a pseudo-religion.
    It includes, conquest, murder, rape, piracy, torture, slavery, sexual slavery, pedophilia, and the promise of a paradise of a drunken orgy with your very own 7 virgins for anyone who dies spreading the murderous pseudo-religion of Islam in the Devil's pesudonym; "Allah."
    The tree is known by it's fruit.
     
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    So you have no proof?
    Okay, I get the idea that you hate muslamania and muslamaniacs as much as I do.
    I'm sure that the name of God (either Christ Jesus or the Father) was dragged through the mud during the times of the inquisitions by those who were outraged by the slaughter of people by the church.
    Rom 2:24 For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”Esv.
    Originally spoken against the Jews, Paul uses it against the Christians at Rome, consider it applies to the church of the inquisition times and it might well apply to muslims as well.
    ie. Peoples actions can bring the name of God (whatever that may be to them) into disrepute.
    I think you need to be careful about denouncing the name of Allah without some mighty strong proof that he is demonic.
    To the muslim, He is the God of the Jew and the Christian, no matter how imperfectly understood.
    (hate the sin, not the sinner)
     
  6. markathome

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    So if ya yelled allah to Paul or Peter what would they have thought you meant?

    Strong's Greek Concordance 235 alla
    alla: otherwise, on the other hand, but
    Original Word: ἀλλά
    Part of Speech: Conjunction
    Transliteration: alla
    Phonetic Spelling: (al-lah')
    Short Definition: but, except
    Definition: but, except, however.
    http://biblehub.com/greek/235.htm

    Seems to be always translated as "But"
     
  7. Jim Parker

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    If you don't consider the consistent behavior of Muslim fundamentalists for the past 1400 years to be sufficient evidence to identify their god "Allah" as, at least demonic and possibly Satan itself then I don''t know what might convince you.
     
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    Rather I consider their abominable behaviour a reflection of the worth of their prophet and their other leaders; preachers of hate.
     
  9. Jim Parker

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    It was what Mohammad preached.
    It was what Mohammad did.
    It is what his immediate successors did.
    Islam is the religion of war, conquest, rape, pillage, arson, mayhem, slavery, and everything we see the Muslim zealots doing today just as it has been for 1400 years since the sand pirate turned prophet Mohammad invented it.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you on this but you still have not addressed my concern (for you) regarding Who Allah is in the world of Islam.
     
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    They would have thought I was up for an argument.:lol
    Yes in the Greek world, however it seems in Arabic it means the creator God who is also the God of Abraham.
     
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    What does it matter?
    If someone is deceived into thinking that this demons is the God of scripture it does not change reality.
    A demon who tells someone he is God is a liar and still a demon even if the person believes it.
    What is important is; what is Allah according to scripture?
    The devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. So was Mohammad. So is Allah.
    Bruce Jenner is convinced he's a woman because he's had himself mutilated with surgery and chemistry to better imitate the outward appearance of a women. Does that really make him a woman?
    No. He is deceived.
    So is any Muslim who believes that Allah is I AM.
     
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    Maybe a demon told Muhammad that he was God. Jesus warned us that there would come false Christs, even claiming His name.
    Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.Esv. So these liars will not turn the Christ into a demon will they.
    I thought I owed you a better explanation of my unfortunately brief post. That I have done.
    I have warned you about vilifying the name of Allah, now it is on you. I can do no more than I have done.
     
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    You have warned me about calling the devil "the Devil"???
    Thanks....I guess
     
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    Mohamud cannot be the comforter because the Quran and Hadiths dont believe the words Jesus spoke in the New Testament writtings.
     
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    The ancient, pagan, Arabic deity called "Allah" is not at all the same being as the God of Abraham.
     
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    Not only so, but Mohamud was (past tence) only sinful man, not God.
     
  18. kiwidan

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    Jesus said love your enemies. Mohamud hated and waged Jihad with the sword against his enemies. Mohamud could only be the comforter if Jesus is a liar. And if Jesus is a liar then Jesus saying he will send the comforter is unreliable and cannot be used in an argument.

    Many muslim so called scholars try use the bible as a reference in there argument, it doesn't work.

    The comforter Jesus said he would send his followers just decided it would fight his followers.
     
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    Who didn't pay attention to Revelation 22:18-19 when he decided to create the Quran.
     
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    Mohamud come some 600 years after Christ and like Paul said " if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith"

    One must prove Christ was not raised from the dead to discredit the Gospel.
    Coming along 600 years later and denying history with absolutaly no proof doesn't cut the mustard. Its a undeniable fact history scholars conclude with all references that there was a historical man named Jesus, Yeshua, or whatever one wants to call him who was crucified under Pontus Pilate. Thats a historical fact. Not 600 years later suddenly someone took his place offering absolutaly no proof of it.

    And even Islam has to admit all the Hadith sources that give Mohamud any credibility were orally passed down for centurys until they were put in a collection by Mohamud Bukari and other islamic scholars.
     
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