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God bless the truth that Islam's falsity is being taught by those who dare.

Muhammad would want to get ready for fire. Don't you think?
 
kiwidan said:
David only does what he does because he cares about muslims. I have seen so many comments in videos about him from calling him a hypocrite for his past history, but he reconciled, repented, become a Christian and turned his life around, but hates can't see it because they don't know Gods power. They mock his children for being disaables, they send Him death threats. But he brushes it all aside and never gives up exposing the truth of what islam teaches because he cares about muslims.

Most Christians either do nothing to help people stuck in falseness, or try use the bible to try help. David uses islams own sources to show muslims the truth.
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And bless all of them for their effort. And praise God for those they reach.

There's a book, "Why We Left Islam". Powerful stuff. I haven't read it in some time however, it is amazing to learn some of the women who testified about leaving Islam tell how they never knew all there was wrong with it. Because they were taught by others and were forbidden to read the Koran themselves so as to discern the truth.
 
Papyrus_dust said:
And bless all of them for their effort. And praise God for those they reach.

There's a book, "Why We Left Islam". Powerful stuff. I haven't read it in some time however, it is amazing to learn some of the women who testified about leaving Islam tell how they never knew all there was wrong with it. Because they were taught by others and were forbidden to read the Koran themselves so as to discern the truth.
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Many islamic teachers don't like Muslims reading islams sources because it exposes the truth.
 
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kiwidan said:
Amazing how Obama talks about Kenya and islam he lived in nations around islam. Kenya is like 80% Christian.
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I don't know how people bought the lie that he was Christian and not Muslim. Maybe they wanted to seem progressive in voting the first black President into office and chose to overlook that one little character flaw. That he lied when he said he was a Christian. I watched this interview when it first aired.



I wanted to share this here too to wish you all a Merry Christmas in one of the most amazing displays I've been privileged to see.
 
Obama talks about the call to prayer at dawn in indonesia and sharing how great islam is. So I think we should all learn about the history of the call to prayer.

 
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Jim Parker said:
First, I think Mitt Romney rand a very dull and ineffective campaign. (I'm not all that sure he wanted to win.)
He tried to "reach out" to the alleged undecided rather than going to his base.
He did not hammer Obama on the debacle in Benghazi or his arming of the Syrian terrorists.
He reminded me of Bob Dole running against Billy-Jeff Clinton. Mr. cold spaghetti against Mr. Charisma.

Also, consider that half the voters voted for Hilary Clinton who, if one is paying attention, was complicit in the murder of our four men in Benghazi; took a $10 million bribe from the Russians (while husband Billy-Jeff collected another $500,000 "for a speech") to OK the sale of our uranium to them. They ignored the trail of dead bodies that crop up any time the Clintons are in town. In my opinion, they would vote for the devil himself as long as he ran as a Democrat.

Obama was the Democrat and, IMO, Democrats vote party line without any thought of who that might be.

IT appears that most Democrats are very liberal and have no problem with giving more and more control of their lives to a more and more powerful central government.

Compare the campaign that Romney ran with the campaign that Trump ran. Republican voters (not the wealthy, elite, inside the beltway, RINO entrenched oligarchy and their rich patrons) responded to what Trump had to say. Romney put them to sleep.

That's kind of scattered but, then, so am I. :confused2

iakov the fool
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Yeah, I forgot about Romney.
 
Mohamud had doubts and allah told him to ask the Jews and Christians if in doubt. If Mohamud did that and tested his revelations by asking the Jews and Christians who had and knew the scriptures , he would have been told there completly false revelations that don't match the Torah and gospel. As we still try explain today. And the excuse is the Gospel has been corrupt thats why it doesn't match the quran.

If the gospel was corrupt why on earth would allah tell Mohamud to ask Christians who believe a corrupt source. And that was in the 7th century. Allah even confirms the Christians in the 7th century had the uncorrupted gospel, many times the quran talks about the gospel and never said it was corrupt.

Surah 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.

Was the gospel the Christians had and believed, the birth, death, and ressurection of Jesus in the 7th century corrupt according to allah?. Can Allah's word be corrupted.

Surah 5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein

How can the Christians judge by the gospel in the 7th century if it was corrupted by Paul.

Surah 3:3
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.


Its obvious Mohamud couldnt distinguish between truth and false and didnt take allahs advice to test his revelations and ask others who had knowledge . Thats why everything is a mess. Some truth and lots of false. Our muslims friends just wont acknowledge it was Mohamud who got things wrong.

The message of the Gospel never changed from the time of Christ and eye witness's and followers of Christ all believed in the birth, death and ressurection of Jesus, the Torah never changed, nothing is corrupted, its just Mohamud got things wrong thats why islam does not line up with anything.
 
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kiwidan said:
Mohamud had doubts and allah told him to ask the Jews and Christians if in doubt. If Mohamud did that and tested his revelations by asking the Jews and Christians, he would have been told there completly false revelations that don't match the Torah and gospel. As we still try explain today. And the excuse is the Gospel has been corrupt thats why it doesn't match the quran.

If the gospel was corrupt why on earth would allah tell Mohamud to ask Christians who believe a corrupt source. And that was in the 7th century. Allah even confirms the Christians in the 7th century had the uncorrupted gospel, many times the quran talks about the gospel and never said it was corrupt.

Surah 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.

Was the gospel the Christians had and believed, the birth, death, and ressurection of Jesus in the 7th century corrupt according to allah?. Can Allah's word be corrupted.

Surah 5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein

How can the Christians judge by the gospel in the 7th century if its corrupt.

Surah 3:3
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.


Its obvious Mohamud couldnt distinguish between truth and false and didnt take allahs advice to test his revelations and ask others who had knowledge . Thats why everything is a mess. Some truth and lots of false.
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I've said before that thanks to this thread I'm starting to learn a little bit more about Islam. I didn't know that Islam doesn't claim the Quran is the dictated word of God in the same way that Christians believe of the Bible.

The Bible is quite literally the written word of God, dictated by Him to the various contributors starting with Moses down to the apostle John. The confidence we have in it is that Jesus himself quoted extensively from it and that it will last forever 1 Peter 1 v 25: Heaven and earth will, but not the Bible Matthew 24 v 35.

The Bible is littered with lots of prophesies, many of which have happened but others have yet to come true. 1 example Daniel 2 v 27 - 45 is the prediction of the Persian, Greek and Roman empires. There are many more about the fall of Israel, the 2 comings of Jesus and lots more besides.

Might I suggest you Google and download and read a Bible reading plan that'll guide you through without getting bogged down.

You'll notice straight away the authority of the Bible, God's dictated word.
 
Andyintheuk said:
I've said before that thanks to this thread I'm starting to learn a little bit more about Islam. I didn't know that Islam doesn't claim the Quran is the dictated word of God in the same way that Christians believe of the Bible.

The Bible is quite literally the written word of God, dictated by Him to the various contributors starting with Moses down to the apostle John. The confidence we have in it is that Jesus himself quoted extensively from it and that it will last forever 1 Peter 1 v 25: Heaven and earth will, but not the Bible Matthew 24 v 35.

The Bible is littered with lots of prophesies, many of which have happened but others have yet to come true. 1 example Daniel 2 v 27 - 45 is the prediction of the Persian, Greek and Roman empires. There are many more about the fall of Israel, the 2 comings of Jesus and lots more besides.

Might I suggest you Google and download and read a Bible reading plan that'll guide you through without getting bogged down.

You'll notice straight away the authority of the Bible, God's dictated word.
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I already am a believer in the gospel of Christ so im on a firm foundation. Not sure if I need a bible plan but thanks for the offer.
 
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kiwidan said:
I already am a believer in the gospel of Christ so im on a firm foundation. Not sure if I need a bible plan but thanks for the offer.
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Oops, sorry. I must've misread one of your earlier posts. I thought you were trying to convert me to Islam lol.

Happy Christmas
 
Mohamud is the author of the quran who made up revelations as he went along. It can be proven in islams most trusted source Hadith Bukari 4990 that is quoted in the Quran.

Mohamud recieves a revelation in full and everyone heard it, then he calls for a scribe to pen it. As he was reciting to the scribe who was writting down the revelation, the same revelation that had already just been revealed to him in full that everyone heard, a man interrupts Mohamud half way through and asked about himself as he was blind, then suddenly the revelation changed and there was a change of words.

If the blind man wasn't there it would not have changed. Mohamud made things up. How can you get a revelation in full and then suddenly change it because someone says something. Did allah not know to just give the second revelation of words if its going to be changed straight away.
 
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