Is the Trinity biblical? Is Jesus really God?

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Is this article saying the truth about the Trinity?

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  1. Free

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    If Jesus is all that the Father is, then he is also truly God. Again, you are creating and believing a contradiction. You simply cannot have it both ways. Either Jesus is God, or he is not.
     
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    You claimed it.

    Here you clearly claim that the teaching of the Trinity says Jesus is the Father. You clearly say that Most High is a reference to the Father and that the Trinity claims that of Jesus as well so you clearly imply that Jesus is the Father.
     
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    John 14:15-17 (DLNT)
    15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16 And I will request the Father, and He will give you another Helper to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, Whom the world is not able to receive because it does not see nor know Him. You know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.

    Matthew 1:23Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which is, being interpreted, 'God with us.'
     
  4. Randy

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    So you state. I state yes and no depending on the context. For all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Him with His spirit. That makes him the exact image of the wisdom and power of God yet His Spirit can not be divine or you would have two Gods. So Jesus is not God in that context but Gods Son. On top of that Jesus has been given all authority a well as all that belongs to the Father also belongs to Him. Jesus therefore can will and the Spirit of God will act. He also holds the eyes of the lord that range through out the world and the 7 angels of the churches. Even so as the Son Jesus abides within the framework of the Fathers will. Hence He sits at the right hand of power until his enemies are to made His foot stool and its His Fathers will to raise up on the last day all those God has given Him on this earth. The resurrection of us all.
     
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    Believing in logical contradictions is irrational.
     
  6. Randy

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    Try this prayer "Lord, can anyone explain the trinity."
    The "Father" speaks of the Spirit as His Spirit.
     
  7. Randy

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    The context given is rational.
     
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    just as believers are one with Jesus yet believers are never thought to be bart of a trinity with Jesus

    IMO i think the pharisees believed men are of this world and not of the heavens just like the sons of the Most High are of the heavens.

    i believe Jesus existed before Abraham.
     
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    No, it isn't. A woman cannot be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time, regardless of context. She either is pregnant or she is not. There is absolutely no context in which Jesus can be God and not God. He either is God, always, or he is not, and never will be.
     
  11. wondering

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    Knowing the Trinity does not require prayer.
    It requires knowing some theology.
    Have you ever heard of the hypostatic union?
    It's an orthodox Christian belief.
    Jesus was fully God and fully man.
    Seems some here have never heard of this.

    In the old testament the spirit might have referred to God Father, or God Son or the Holy Spirit Himself.
    It required Theologians to sort this out. We are not theologians.

    As I've already stated, Christianity was formed 2,000 years ago.
    To be called a Christian one must adhere to certain basic beliefs...
    Jesus is God.
    He is The Son and 2nd person of the Trinity.

    One must believe in the Trinity...
    God the Father
    God the Son
    God the Holy Spirit
    Three persons in One God.

    One must also believe that Jesus was crucified and resurrected on the third day.
     
  12. wondering

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    Amen.
     
  13. wondering

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    Saying Jesus existed before Abraham isn't saying much.
    How long before Abraham did Jesus exist?
     
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    i think it says a lot, He didnt just come into existence when His mother gave birth, He existed before.
    the fact that He existed before means more (to me) than trying to figure out how long He has existed. IMO our concept of time is differnt than time outside this world such as the heavens. its kinda like the space time Einstein teached.
     
  15. wondering

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    In the beginning was the Word
    And the Word was with God
    And the word was God.
    John 1:1

    Jesus had no beginning.
    He is God.
     
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    then why does the scripture not say that?
     
  17. wondering

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    Scripture does say that. John 1:1 is easy to understand.
    In the beginning Jesus was.
    You seem to know about time and Einstein .
    When was the beginning?
    It means from forever since, as you must know, God had no beginning...
    He always existed.
    Jesus always existed with Him.
    From the beginning...
    From forever.

    As difficult a concept to understand as the trinity.
    If we understood God, we would be God.
    Some concepts we just have to accept.

    Some don't, like for instance the JWs.
    But, of course, they're not christian.
     
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    with respect you said that not scripture. you may be correct, im not going to say your wrong, but other people see that scripture differently.

    i dont think time has a beginning and an end. the next world is IMO is like a never ending moment, same as how you can take a 10 min nap and dream an entire lifetime.

    i dont worry myself with what JWs or any other group thinks, IMO one should seek the Father like Jesus teaches, why let a group influence that path?
     
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  20. wondering

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    I said that?
    John 1:1??
    I believe John said that, not me.

    What other way is there to see it?
    I said JWs understand it differently and you replied that you don't worry yourself with what other groups believe and then proceeded to tell me other's have a different understanding on this verse.

    Let's stick to Your understanding.
    Is Jesus the Word of God?
    According to scripture, when did He begin to exist.?
    John 1:1


    I agree.

    Answered above.
    The Father is found at the same moment we find Jesus since they're United in the Trinity.;
     
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