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Is the Trinity biblical? Is Jesus really God?

Is this article saying the truth about the Trinity?


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We believe that there is only one God, who is eternal and immutable, and manifests Himself in three distinct Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
is asking questions considered hostile? just want to make sure i am not breaking rules by asking questions like the scripture commands us to do.
 
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i agree with these passages, we worship the Most High and only Him.
Correct. We worship God, not His lower angels or creatures.

The Lamb of God is God (because He’s the Son voluntarily taking on flesh, dying and rising in accordance with the Eternal plan of Salvation). Thus, we see him worshiped in His Revelation:

And they are crying-out with a loud voice, saying “Salvation belongs to our God sitting on the throne and to the Lamb”.
... Because the Lamb at the center of the throne will shepherd them, and guide them to springs of the waters of life. And God will wipe-away every tear from their eyes”.
Revelation 7:10,17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 7:10,17&version=DLNT
 
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Knowing the Trinity does not require prayer.
It requires knowing some theology.
Have you ever heard of the hypostatic union?
It's an orthodox Christian belief.
Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Seems some here have never heard of this.

In the old testament the spirit might have referred to God Father, or God Son or the Holy Spirit Himself.
It required Theologians to sort this out. We are not theologians.

As I've already stated, Christianity was formed 2,000 years ago.
To be called a Christian one must adhere to certain basic beliefs...
Jesus is God.
He is The Son and 2nd person of the Trinity.

One must believe in the Trinity...
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Three persons in One God.

One must also believe that Jesus was crucified and resurrected on the third day.
What I did read is you stated no one understands the trinity. You find it odd to ask the Lord for wisdom? He is also called "wonderful counselor"
hypostatic union -Please explain what that is and address how that applies to the Holy Spirit - God is Spirit
I have addressed the Spirit of the Son and the Spirit of the Father The fullness of God was pleased to dwell in the Son.
one God one lord one spirit

One must believe in Jesus and He is called Christ the Son of God Hence the early believers called them selves "Christ-ians"
 
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Scripture does say that. John 1:1 is easy to understand.
In the beginning Jesus was.
You seem to know about time and Einstein .
When was the beginning?
It means from forever since, as you must know, God had no beginning...
He always existed.
Jesus always existed with Him.
From the beginning...
From forever.

As difficult a concept to understand as the trinity.
If we understood God, we would be God.
Some concepts we just have to accept.

Some don't, like for instance the JWs.
But, of course, they're not christian.
That puts Jesus at the beginning of creating with God which is cohesive with what I believe about the Son
He is all that the Father is - God in that context
He was before the world began
The creation was made through Him
He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

This puts Jesus before the world began John 17:5 NIV
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

At some point in history before the world began Jesus became firstborn a beginning but no end - He has always been the Son
 
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No, it isn't. A woman cannot be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time, regardless of context. She either is pregnant or she is not. There is absolutely no context in which Jesus can be God and not God. He either is God, always, or he is not, and never will be.
He has always been the Son - However all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Him - that is possible
 
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That puts Jesus at the beginning of creating with God
First, the Text says “in the beginning” He was God, not at the beginning. There’s a difference.

Second, creating “with God” is creating with The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

At some point in history before the world began Jesus became firstborn a beginning but no end
Scripture please?

What “history” before the beginning of the world? Now there’s an contradiction.

But let’s overlook your contradiction and ask;
If The Son became The Son, then did The Father become The Father? Answer this please.
 
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What I did read is you stated no one understands the trinity. You find it odd to ask the Lord for wisdom? He is also called "wonderful counselor"
hypostatic union -Please explain what that is and address how that applies to the Holy Spirit - God is Spirit
I have addressed the Spirit of the Son and the Spirit of the Father The fullness of God was pleased to dwell in the Son.
one God one lord one spirit

One must believe in Jesus and He is called Christ the Son of God Hence the early believers called them selves "Christ-ians"
Please explain the Trinity if you can.
If you explain it correctly, maybe you could come here and explain it to a couple of theologians I know. They don't seem to be able to understand it.

The hypostatic union has to do with Jesus being fully God and fully man.
That was also being discussed.
I would suppose you really understand that too.

There are some things about Christianity that I accept without understanding them.
If you understand everything about God, that's wonderful.
I don't and I never will because God is extremely far above us.
Who can know His ways?
I like this verse...
Job 38:4......

If someone believes they understand everything about God, chances are they don't.
 
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That puts Jesus at the beginning of creating with God which is cohesive with what I believe about the Son
He is all that the Father is - God in that context
He was before the world began
The creation was made through Him
He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

This puts Jesus before the world began John 17:5 NIV
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

At some point in history before the world began Jesus became firstborn a beginning but no end - He has always been the Son
At some point in history?
This would mean that the Son had a beginning, as you state above.

Jesus IS GOD.
He had no beginning. He always was and He always will be.
John 1:1 Jesus is the Word. Jesus IS GOD.
John 5:18
Rev 22:13

Please provide a scripture that says the Son had a beginning.

This is why you THINK you understand the Trinity,,,
because you do not.
Jesus is God.


Please provide scripture.
 
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No they don't - they can't explain the trinity as written other than a mystery - I have explained why Jesus is called God and scripture calls Him the firstborn of all creation but that doesn't fit their mystery so they can't accept it. Further more even though no one can explain the mystery they have backed themselves into they refuse to seek wisdom with the Lord Himself.
 
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Please explain the Trinity if you can.
If you explain it correctly, maybe you could come here and explain it to a couple of theologians I know. They don't seem to be able to understand it.

The hypostatic union has to do with Jesus being fully God and fully man.
That was also being discussed.
I would suppose you really understand that too.

There are some things about Christianity that I accept without understanding them.
If you understand everything about God, that's wonderful.
I don't and I never will because God is extremely far above us.
Who can know His ways?
I like this verse...
Job 38:4......

If someone believes they understand everything about God, chances are they don't.
Fully God and fully man?
Jesus has a God and also has His own spirit.
Jesus received from the Father.
Jesus calls the Father the one true God. If He always was and always was God then how do you believe in ONE God for Jesus stated on the cross "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?

I understand that Jesus is Gods firstborn and that the fullness was pleased to dwell IN Him. Jesus(his spirit) is not that fullness. The fullness of the godhead would be the Fathers being.
I understandard How Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus taught that.

On this day the believers will have a common frame of reference to understand the "oneness"
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”


Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is
no, He has always been the Son
 
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First, the Text says “in the beginning” He was God, not at the beginning. There’s a difference.

Second, creating “with God” is creating with The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.


Scripture please?

What “history” before the beginning of the world? Now there’s an contradiction.

But let’s overlook your contradiction and ask;
If The Son became The Son, then did The Father become The Father? Answer this please.
The firstborn of all creation. At some point in history before the world began God formed His spirit. A beginning. Making the Father His God and His heavenly Father.

The Father by from whom all things came. The Son through Whom the creation was made. No mention of the Spirit
Did Paul forget?

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
 
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No, it isn't. A woman cannot be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time, regardless of context. She either is pregnant or she is not. There is absolutely no context in which Jesus can be God and not God. He either is God, always, or he is not, and never will be.
Yes it is and has nothing to do with pregnancy.
 
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At some point in history before the world began God formed His spirit. A beginning. Making the Father His God and His heavenly Father.
Do you have access to a Bible whereby you can support this claim with some Scripture?
And did you catch what you just said (which is my point); "Making the Father His God and His heavenly Father"

Since you failed to answer my question directly (even though I said please): "If The Son became The Son, then did The Father become The Father?", then we are left with the conclusion that your weak and unsupportable Biblical case for The Son's beginning is that The Father also became The Father at this same imaginary "point in history" when The Son began.
 
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Do you have access to a Bible whereby you can support this claim with some Scripture?
And did you catch what you just said (which is my point); "Making the Father His God and His heavenly Father"

Since you failed to answer my question directly (even though I said please): "If The Son became The Son, then did The Father become The Father?", then we are left with the conclusion that your weak and unsupportable Biblical case for The Son's beginning is that The Father also became The Father at this same imaginary "point in history" when The Son began.
The Son received from the Father. There is no scripture that shows the Father receiving from any being. So if the Father has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being.
Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

Jesus Himself calls the Father His God.
Also you have the testimony of the Father
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
 

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The firstborn of all creation. At some point in history before the world began God formed His spirit. A beginning. Making the Father His God and His heavenly Father.
The Greek of John 1:1 is such that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence. And as I previously stated, “firstborn” does not necessarily mean one that came into existence, one who is literally firstborn. It can mean that one has the rights as of one who is the firtsborn even though they actually aren’t the firstborn. That is a legitimate biblical usage.

In regards to Jesus then, it means that he is preeminent, he is Lord over all creation. It does not mean that there was a time when the Son did not exist.

The Father by from whom all things came. The Son through Whom the creation was made. No mention of the Spirit
Did Paul forget?

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Just as “one God, the Father, from whom all things came,” speaks to his eternal existence, so “one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came,” speaks to his eternal existence.

It is exactly the same language. And if Paul is right that “all things came” through Jesus, then logic tells us that Jesus cannot be one of those created things. This is in perfect agreement with John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17.
 
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I sure did. Thanks. It seemed to be desperately needed given the atmosphere of animus that seems to brew here. Contradictory I think when discussing the grace and love of our Lord. Thank you so much for asking. God's blessings surround you.
 
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