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Hitch
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Fedusenko
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That's non-engaging. Care to explain your answer?
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Hitch
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There is no point the question is absurd.
Former Christian
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Fedusenko
Allah is a term that means “the Godâ€. It is a reference to the Supreme Being. To the Muslims, it is the highest name for God. There are other names for God that are descriptive of certain attributes of God. Allah is the term that includes all other names.
If Yahweh or Jehovah is simply a local god of the Hebrews, then surely that god is not Allah. But if Yahweh or Jehovah is a name that refers to the Supreme Being, then Yahweh or Jehovah and Allah are referring to the same God. The term Allah is used by Christians in the Mid-Eastern region to refer to the same God they believe in.
Yahweh or Jehovah is a translation of what is called the tetragrammaton, four Hebrew letters that refers to the highest name of God. It means simply “the self-existent oneâ€. To the Muslims, Allah is that self-existing God.
The God by any other name is still the God.
Muslims and Christians believe in the same God. They have different points of view as to the idea that God is a Trinity. So far as I know, it is the only disagreement between the two religions regarding the nature and attributes of God. They disagree as to the nature and purpose of Jesus Christ. Note that these are the same areas of disagreement between Judaism and Christianity. To say that they are not references to the same God is to say that neither modern Judaism nor the Old Testament Judaism believes in the same God as Christianity, and is a practical rejection of the Old Testament as having any real meaning to the Christian.
Thought I’d get my two cents in before this thread is moved to a different part of the forum.
FC
Allah is a term that means “the Godâ€. It is a reference to the Supreme Being. To the Muslims, it is the highest name for God. There are other names for God that are descriptive of certain attributes of God. Allah is the term that includes all other names.
If Yahweh or Jehovah is simply a local god of the Hebrews, then surely that god is not Allah. But if Yahweh or Jehovah is a name that refers to the Supreme Being, then Yahweh or Jehovah and Allah are referring to the same God. The term Allah is used by Christians in the Mid-Eastern region to refer to the same God they believe in.
Yahweh or Jehovah is a translation of what is called the tetragrammaton, four Hebrew letters that refers to the highest name of God. It means simply “the self-existent oneâ€. To the Muslims, Allah is that self-existing God.
The God by any other name is still the God.
Muslims and Christians believe in the same God. They have different points of view as to the idea that God is a Trinity. So far as I know, it is the only disagreement between the two religions regarding the nature and attributes of God. They disagree as to the nature and purpose of Jesus Christ. Note that these are the same areas of disagreement between Judaism and Christianity. To say that they are not references to the same God is to say that neither modern Judaism nor the Old Testament Judaism believes in the same God as Christianity, and is a practical rejection of the Old Testament as having any real meaning to the Christian.
Thought I’d get my two cents in before this thread is moved to a different part of the forum.
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MegaMass
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I personally feel that there is this supreme God who is behind most of religional experiences. During history people have just developed different religions based to The One.
One thing I hard find to explain to myself is Jesus Christ. He seems to be real force to be reckoned and so is making things 'bit difficult for me to understand. So I tend to think that God does have a personality and that personality is doing things that seem somewhat irrational from our perspective (send his Son to die to be resurrected?! I bet there could have been some alternative, less violent, way to work it out...)
One thing I hard find to explain to myself is Jesus Christ. He seems to be real force to be reckoned and so is making things 'bit difficult for me to understand. So I tend to think that God does have a personality and that personality is doing things that seem somewhat irrational from our perspective (send his Son to die to be resurrected?! I bet there could have been some alternative, less violent, way to work it out...)
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Hitch
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Agreed. But according to Scripture it ' pleased God to bruise him', and without weaving a detailed explanation it boils down to two things. It was done this way because it renders more glory to God. And secondly, because it was the best possible means for our reconciliation.
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Fedusenko
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@ Hitch, obviously it is not as absurd as you thought. Your thought of the matter may not be as mainstream as others. I believe the three post by other people is evidence enough.
@ Former Christian
While is is clear that Allah is believed to be the same as Abraham's god, I think there is a clear character distinction that you seemed to not have grasped in my link.
@ MegaMass
I have a hard time believing that God only made himself known intimately to only on group of people before the Messiah. I am on the look-out to see Him in other cultures, but sadly I have not confirmed a single one. As you said, there is a character or personality to God, but for Him to be confirmed in other cultures that use other names you must identify character traits. Did you look at the link provided?
@ Former Christian
While is is clear that Allah is believed to be the same as Abraham's god, I think there is a clear character distinction that you seemed to not have grasped in my link.
@ MegaMass
I have a hard time believing that God only made himself known intimately to only on group of people before the Messiah. I am on the look-out to see Him in other cultures, but sadly I have not confirmed a single one. As you said, there is a character or personality to God, but for Him to be confirmed in other cultures that use other names you must identify character traits. Did you look at the link provided?
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Fedusenko
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That provides great imagery, Hitch. Also, well said.
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Hitch
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Run with it
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Hitch
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Not really very complicated is it?
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Fedusenko
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I wasn't suggesting you were wrong. We actually agree. My issue is such a rash reply with a complete lack of reasoning behind it is wasteful. What you see as ridiculous is obviously possible to at least three others, three others that could be swayed if you left thoughtful reply. The title was tactical and the body was designed for discussion, though my thought on the matter was defined if one looked into it.
They are not the same.
1.) Islam is a unitarian faith. They do not believe the Godhead consists of a Trinity - it's actually blaspehmous to simply say that it is:
Qur'an 5:73-73: "They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom."
Their god is a unitarian god. In their view, "god" is a single person/entity - unlike the Christian faith. The islamic faith clearly denies Jesus Christ as the Son of God:
[Qur'an 5:75]: "The Messiah, Christ, the son of Mary, was NO MORE than a messenger"
So the Qur'an DENIES that Jesus is the Son of God and claims He is nothing more than a simple messenger.
Jesus said: "No one can come to the father unless he comes through Me. IF you know Me, you KNOW the Father". [John 14:6,7]
So if someone doesn't Know Jesus, do they know God/The Father? Not according to the above verse they don't, no.
According to John 14:6,7 above, the Jewish, Muslim and Christian God are different. I mean it directly implies that if you do not know Jesus as the Son of God, then you do NOT know (the Christian) God! As far as that passage is concerned, if you deny Christ, you deny the Christian God and therefore when you claim a god, it is surely not the One of the bible.
Here is a verse from [First John 2:22]:
"Who is the liar if not he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ (which the Islamic faith does)?" This is the antichrist, who is denying the Father and the Son
And to quickly jump to this verse from the Qur'an:
[Surah 9:30]: "The Jews said, 'Ezra us the son of allah', while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of Allah!". These are BLASPHEMIES (in other words, it's blasphemous to simply SAY that JESUS is the SON OF GOD) uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. allah condemns them"
After reading the above quote FROM the Qur'an, I'll leave you (yet again) with [First John 2:22] from the bible:
"Who is the liar if not he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ?" This is the antichrist, who is denying the Father and the Son.
1.) Islam is a unitarian faith. They do not believe the Godhead consists of a Trinity - it's actually blaspehmous to simply say that it is:
Qur'an 5:73-73: "They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom."
Their god is a unitarian god. In their view, "god" is a single person/entity - unlike the Christian faith. The islamic faith clearly denies Jesus Christ as the Son of God:
[Qur'an 5:75]: "The Messiah, Christ, the son of Mary, was NO MORE than a messenger"
So the Qur'an DENIES that Jesus is the Son of God and claims He is nothing more than a simple messenger.
Jesus said: "No one can come to the father unless he comes through Me. IF you know Me, you KNOW the Father". [John 14:6,7]
So if someone doesn't Know Jesus, do they know God/The Father? Not according to the above verse they don't, no.
According to John 14:6,7 above, the Jewish, Muslim and Christian God are different. I mean it directly implies that if you do not know Jesus as the Son of God, then you do NOT know (the Christian) God! As far as that passage is concerned, if you deny Christ, you deny the Christian God and therefore when you claim a god, it is surely not the One of the bible.
Here is a verse from [First John 2:22]:
"Who is the liar if not he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ (which the Islamic faith does)?" This is the antichrist, who is denying the Father and the Son
And to quickly jump to this verse from the Qur'an:
[Surah 9:30]: "The Jews said, 'Ezra us the son of allah', while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of Allah!". These are BLASPHEMIES (in other words, it's blasphemous to simply SAY that JESUS is the SON OF GOD) uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. allah condemns them"
After reading the above quote FROM the Qur'an, I'll leave you (yet again) with [First John 2:22] from the bible:
"Who is the liar if not he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ?" This is the antichrist, who is denying the Father and the Son.
smaller
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If you want to witness to a Muslim, MEET their hearts on the ground of the Old Testament. You will find Jesus there with you in your own heart to speak. SOME of their Word is founded on the O.T.
Let His Truth Speak.
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Fedusenko
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What? I am Muslim now? Ha ha, you guys are crazy. Both of you go run around the house 5 times and don't come back in till you are worn out!
@ Anthony
As the OP I created this thread for discussion primarily about the importance of Yahweh's character which has been touched on in the course of banter. I feel that if ever confronted with the question of the OP we should be equipped to answer it with certainty as to not leave doubt. I think that it is prudent to allow the discussion flow also to how one might go into the discussion with someone whether it is with another Christian, an Atheist or even a Muslim.
@ Smaller
I don't think he suggested that I was Muslim, but rather I am blind similarly as a Muslim. Did I say that right? I would like to know why He suggests that.
@ Anthony
As the OP I created this thread for discussion primarily about the importance of Yahweh's character which has been touched on in the course of banter. I feel that if ever confronted with the question of the OP we should be equipped to answer it with certainty as to not leave doubt. I think that it is prudent to allow the discussion flow also to how one might go into the discussion with someone whether it is with another Christian, an Atheist or even a Muslim.
@ Smaller
I don't think he suggested that I was Muslim, but rather I am blind similarly as a Muslim. Did I say that right? I would like to know why He suggests that.
Yes.
Many ask such a question because they don't know the answer. I assumed such was the case with you, as well. If not, then apologies.