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I believe that post of yours is a diversion of this thread from the real issue of islam!


I was just comparing one group to another to get a better understanding by comparison. You suggest that it is a small group and this small group should not be used in this way while it is only a small group of Muslims that are causing problems today. If you can use the actions of a small group and lump them in as if they represent the majority then go for it. We all know that there are good folks on both sides that just want to get along with everyone else. And it is those folks you should be supporting regardless of which religion they represent.
 
This statement:
We all know that there are good folks on both sides that just want to get along with everyone else. And it is those folks you should be supporting regardless of which religion they represent.

People have been saying those same words all along but God doesn't see it that way..

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

tob
 
What "rage and moral superiority and ignorance" are you referring to, Kaliani?

That which:

Acts like 'Muslim' and 'terrorist' are synonyms.

Decries the silence of Muslims, then derides the un-silent Muslims as 'cunning' and 'hypocritical'. And is seemingly unaware of the hypocrisy in that.

Refers to Muslims as 'nice' and 'nonviolent' with ironic quotes.
 
I believe that post of yours is a diversion of this thread from the real issue of islam!


I was just comparing one group to another to get a better understanding by comparison. You suggest that it is a small group and this small group should not be used in this way while it is only a small group of Muslims that are causing problems today. If you can use the actions of a small group and lump them in as if they represent the majority then go for it. We all know that there are good folks on both sides that just want to get along with everyone else. And it is those folks you should be supporting regardless of which religion they represent.

who said I didn't but the reality is they are too small to say that in general muslims are good. history has shown that to be the fact. can you name an Islamic state that has ever had freedom or religion? or hasn't voted in a theocratic state. only turkey has a secular government but insult islam and see what happens.sure the west hasn't helped the issue but at ONE point one has to take the responsibility. the internet does get into Iraq and Afghanistan. I have talked to a muslim friend from Afghanistan on fb. they know a lot about the outside. while not all of them have access to the internet, few do, but the fact remains that education doesn't change muslims. as@ by grace posted.nor is the afghani muslim so blind to the world despite not having the internet that he doesn't have an idea of what is going on the world.can they be manipulated yes but I really don't see that as the case after the fall of the Taliban.
 
Where did you get those statistics? As a Christian I fail to see this, what am I missing?

You are missing the same thing that the entire world is missing: condemnation of these atrocities by decent Muslim people, and decent Muslim governments.

What happened in Kenya, where the President of the nation and condemned the shootings at the mall is unique. What other Muslim leader (political or religious) in a predominately Muslim nation has condemned such acts of genocide, and that is indeed the proper word to use in this case.
 
Nigeria: Militants kill students in college attack

SOURCE



From Associated Press
ADAMU ADAMU and MICHELLE FAUL 29 minutes ago




POTISKUM, Nigeria (AP) — Suspected Islamic extremists attacked an agricultural college in the dead of night, gunning down dozens of students as they slept in dormitories and torching classrooms in an ongoing Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria, the school's provost said.


As many as 50 students may have been killed in the attack that began at about 1 a.m. Sunday in rural Gujba, Provost Molima Idi Mato of the Yobe State College of Agriculture, told The Associated Press.
"They attacked our students while they were sleeping in their hostels, they opened fire at them," he said.


He said he could not give an exact death toll as security forces still are recovering bodies.


The Nigerian military has collected 42 bodies and transported 18 injured students to Damaturu Specialist Hospital, said a military intelligence official, who insisted on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the press.


The school's other 1,000 enrolled students have fled the college that is about 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the scene of similar school attacks around Damaturu town, said provost Mato.
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Most schools in the area closed after militants on July 6 killed 29 pupils and a teacher, burning some alive in their hostels, at Mamudo outside Damaturu.


Northeastern Nigeria is under a military state of emergency to battle an Islamic uprising prosecuted by Boko Haram militants who have killed more than 1,700 people since 2010 in their quest for an Islamic state. Boko Haram means Western education is forbidden in the local Hausa language.
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The Islamic extremists have killed at least 30 other civilians in the past week.

Twenty-seven people died in separate attacks Wednesday and Thursday night on two villages of Borno state near the northeast border with Cameroon, according to the chairman of the Gamboru-Ngala local government council, Modu-Gana Bukar Sheriiff.


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Also Thursday, police said suspected Islamic militants killed a pastor, his son and a village head and torched their Christian church in Dorawa, about 100 kilometers from Damaturu. They said the gunmen used explosives to set fire to the church and five homes.


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More than 30,000 people have fled the terrorist attacks to neighboring Cameroon and Chad and the uprising combined with the military emergency has forced farmers from their fields and vendors from their markets.


The attacks come as Nigeria prepares to celebrate 52 years of independence from Britain on Tuesday and amid increasing political jockeying as the country gears up for presidential elections next year.
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Faul reported from Lagos, Nigeria. Associated Press writer Haruna Umar in Maiduguri, Nigeria, contributed to this report.




Hey, no big deal here, right? It is only a third world country.
 
the invocation of and the faithfulness to (That Who really is) the true God is more beneficial than the dispute about whether one or another religion is worth(y) or not

Blessings
 
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You are missing the same thing that the entire world is missing: condemnation of these atrocities by decent Muslim people, and decent Muslim governments.

An overwhelming number of decent Western governments and people met Nazi atrocities with silence.

A major branch of Christianity was silent about its clergy's pedophilia.

If Muslims practise Omertà that is the one we can understand about them, if nothing else.
 
What happened in Kenya, where the President of the nation and condemned the shootings at the mall is unique. What other Muslim leader (political or religious) in a predominately Muslim nation

Kenya's president is a Christian, along with more than 80 per cent of the population. He condemned the attacks together with the Muslim leaders.
 
An overwhelming number of decent Western governments and people met Nazi atrocities with silence.
I suppose that you may not have read anything from Dietrich Bonhoffer. Otherwise, you would not make that statement.

A major branch of Christianity was silent about its clergy's pedophilia.
How is pedophilia relevant to what the Muslims do?

If Muslims practise Omertà that is the one we can understand about them, if nothing else.
Please explain what you mean by this term, that was mangled in the transition: OmertÃ.
Only God can change a heart of stone into a heart that seeks after God.
 
Found this today:

syrian-girl-watches-parents-executed.jpg


Story can be found at http://www.examiner.com/article/syr...oto-of-girl-chained-to-fence-by-syrian-rebels. Photo taken from http://www.barenakedislam.com/ (BNI's home page, scroll almost to bottom.)
 
I was looking for the address to Wilders Security forums when i bumped into Geert Wilders. After reading an article he wrote about Islam i sent it to a friend that talks to him on Facebook "i don't do Facebook" Then he sent this reply.

Geert Wilders is a Dutch politician and the founder and leader of the Party for Freedom, the fourth-largest political party in the Netherlands. He is the Parliamentary group leader of his party in the Dutch House of Representatives.

"Fitna" is a 2008 short film by Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders. Approximately 17 minutes in length, the film attempts to demonstrate that the Qur'an motivates its followers to hate all who violate Islamic teachings. The movie shows selected excerpts from Suras of the Qur'an, interspersed with media clips and newspaper cuttings showing or describing acts of violence and/or hatred by Muslims.

The film argues that Islam encourages – among other things – acts of terrorism, antisemitism, violence against women, violence and subjugation of "infidels" and against homosexuals and Islamic universalism. A large part of the film details the influence of Islam on the Netherlands. The film was published on the Internet in 2008. Shortly before its release, its announcement was suspended from its website by the American provider because of the perceived controversy. It stirred a still continuing debate in the Netherlands as well as abroad, and a criminal prosecution for hate speech (against Wilders).

The Arabic title-word "fitna" means "disagreement and division among people" or a "test of faith in times of trial". Wilders, a prominent critic of Islam, described the film as "a call to shake off the creeping tyranny of Islamization".

A Muslim leader called for Geert Wilders' beheading.
In an internet chat room in September 2010, Australian Islamic fundamentalist preacher Feiz Mohammad incited Muslim followers to behead Wilders. His rationale was his accusation that Wilders had "denigrated" Islam, and that that anyone who "mocks, laughs or degrades Islam" as Wilders had must be killed "by chopping off his head". The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf released an excerpt of the talk, after Dutch intelligence officials received a tip about the threat.

After the 2013 Boston marathon bombings, Wilders wrote:
Three years ago, Feiz Mohammed issued an internet video in which he called for my beheading. I was, he said, "evil filth". "Chop his head off," he told his followers. I am threatened for the simple reason that I am an Islam critic. But, make no mistake, I am not the only one who is in danger. The Tsarnaev brothers drew inspiration from Feiz Mohammed's internet rants and decided to kill innocent onlookers at a marathon. Everyone is in danger.

He was banned to enter the United Kingdom.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch and Baroness Cox, members of the House of Lords (the upper chamber of the British Parliament), invited Wilders to a February 12, 2009 showing of Fitna in the Palace of Westminster. Two days before the showing, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith banned Wilders from entering the territory of the United Kingdom, labeling him an "undesirable person". Entry was denied under EU law, and reportedly supported under regulation 19 of the Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006, an EU law which allows a member state to refuse entry to individuals if they are regarded as constituting a threat to public policy, security or health.

Wilders defied the ban and entered via London Heathrow Airport on February 12, trailed by television crews. He was quickly detained by Border Patrol officials and sent back on one of the next flights to the Netherlands. He called Prime Minister Gordon Brown "the biggest coward in Europe" and remarked, "Of course I will come back".

The International Herald Tribune stated that the ban was broadly condemned in the British news media. The Dutch Foreign Secretary, Maxime Verhagen, called the decision "highly regrettable" and complained to his British counterpart. Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende complained to Gordon Brown about the "disappointing" decision. The Quilliam Foundation, a British think tank, criticized the ban, as did National Secular Society president Terry Sanderson. In October 2009, the tribunal overturned the ban.

It's no surprise that the Muslim Labour peer Lord Ahmed expressed support for Smith's ban on Wilders entering the country; the Ramadhan Foundation and the Muslim Council of Britain also did so, the council labeling Wilders "an open and relentless preacher of hate".

He was put on trial because of speaking out against Islam.
Several groups and persons in the Netherlands have called for legal action against Wilders, while others have defended his right to free speech. On August 15, 2007, a representative of the Prosecutors' Office in Amsterdam declared that dozens of reports against Wilders had been filed, and that they were all being considered. Attempts to prosecute Wilders under Dutch anti-hate speech laws in June 2008 failed, with the public prosecutor's office stating that Wilders' comments contributed to the debate on Islam in Dutch society and also had been made outside parliament. The office released a statement reading: "That comments are hurtful and offensive for a large number of Muslims does not mean that they are punishable. Freedom of expression fulfills an essential role in public debate in a democratic society. That means that offensive comments can be made in a political debate".

On 21 January 2009, a three-judge court ordered prosecutors to try him.
The Middle East Forum has established a Legal Defence Fund for Wilders's defence.
A survey by Angus Reid Global Monitor has found that public opinion was deeply split on the prosecution, with 50% supporting Wilders and 43% opposed.

In late October 2010, the Dutch court approved a request from Geert Wilders to have new judges appointed, forcing the court to retry the case. On February 7, 2011, Wilders returned to the court room in order that his legal team could present evidence from Islamic experts which the court rejected in 2010, including Mohammed Bouyeri, who murdered film-maker Theo van Gogh, and Dutch academic Hans Jansen.

On 23 June 2011, Wilders was acquitted of all charges. A Dutch court noted that his speech was legitimate political debate, but on the edge. Because both the public prosecutor and the defense requested complete acquittal, the verdict will most likely not be appealed.

http://www.geertwilders.nl/

tob
 
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