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Pegasus said:
I always thought "Christian" meant follower or disciple of Jesus Christ. I guess the OP means Christ was himself a Christian...a follower of Himself?

Too many ancient errors to consider on this one.
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Christ was not just any odd Christian - He was a or the Christian personified = follow me He said and be a Christian - twinc
 
Pegasus said:
Perhaps your posts should be in apologetics as you have not quoted the Bible and this is a Bible study forum.
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this is indeed bible study at its best and as it should be and is advised - so go study your bible to see and be surprised that it does not say we must be born again - twinc
 
twinc said:
why is it believed or accepted if it is not in the bible that we must be born again - twinc
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It is verily verily in the Bible that a man must be born again. Are you a man?

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.​

It is most assuredly in the Bible that no one can see the kingdom unless that one is born again. Are you one of us born again men?

John 3:3 (NKJV) Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” ​

You can tell others that is truly, truly True that unless someone is born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 (LEB) Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless someone is born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.” ​

Are you someone?

Are you saying someone is able to see the kingdom of God without being born again from above?
 
[QUOTE="twinc, post: 1312778, member: 3029"]why is it believed or accepted if it is not in the bible that we must be born again - twinc[/QUOTE]
In answer to your teachings, Scripture will suffice.
Galatians 1:7 Context

4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:"5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.">9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
 
Pegasus said:
I always thought "Christian" meant follower or disciple of Jesus Christ. I guess the OP means Christ was himself a Christian...a follower of Himself?

Too many ancient errors to consider on this one.
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And God had to be born again??
 
Jim Parker said:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

:nonono :shame (Where oh where do people GET this stuff???:confused)

Rom 6:3-7 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who has died is freed from sin.


Sinners need to be born again.
Jesus had no sin.
Therefore, He did not need to be born again.

Christians who are baptized are given new life IN CHRIST.
Christ did not need new life in himself.
In Him was life. (John 1:4)
He didn't need new life.
He is and has always been and forever will be: LIFE.

Christians who are baptized are united to Christ.
Christ did not need to be united to Christ.

And Jesus was not a Christian, He is God the Son.

iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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twinc said:
Christ was not just any odd Christian - He was a or the Christian personified = follow me He said and be a Christian - twinc
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Act 11:26b ...in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
A Christian is a disciple of Christ.
Jesus is not a disciple of Himself.
The word "Christian" refers to a disciple of Christ, not to Christ Himself.

iakov the fool
 
Jim Parker said:
Act 11:26b ...in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
A Christian is a disciple of Christ.
Jesus is not a disciple of Himself.
The word "Christian" refers to a disciple of Christ, not to Christ Himself.

iakov the fool
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I might add Jim, we became more than just disciples or followers, but a physical part of the body of Christ (intimacy) (Eph. 5:22-32)
 
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twinc said:
Jesus as a Jew and human just like any other human/Jew had to be born again as a Christian via water and the spirit just as exactly as He said to Nicodemus etc - twinc
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Where did you get that nonsense.

Jesus is God incarnate. (John 1:14)
He never needed to be saved because he is eternal God. (John 1:1)
He never needed to be born again be3cause he never has a sinful body.

What church or denomination do you belong to the teaches such rubbish?
 
twinc said:
Jesus as a Jew and human just like any other human/Jew had to be born again as a Christian via water and the spirit just as exactly as He said to Nicodemus etc - twinc
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Jesus Christ is fully God and fully human. That's in the Bible.
 
Jim Parker said:
Where did you get that nonsense.

Jesus is God incarnate. (John 1:14)
He never needed to be saved because he is eternal God. (John 1:1)
He never needed to be born again be3cause he never has a sinful body.

What church or denomination do you belong to the teaches such rubbish?
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Jim Parker said:
Where did you get that nonsense.

Jesus is God incarnate. (John 1:14)
He never needed to be saved because he is eternal God. (John 1:1)
He never needed to be born again be3cause he never has a sinful body.

What church or denomination do you belong to the teaches such rubbish?
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presumably you believe and have accepted and insist we accept that it was God who was circumcised and honoured His mother and father and as God did not need to eat and drink and have normal human functions etc - twinc
 
twinc said:
presumably you believe and have accepted and insist we accept that it was God who was circumcised and honoured His mother and father and as God did not need to eat and drink and have normal human functions etc - twinc
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I believe that Jesus is:
God the logos (John 1:1)
The logos made flesh (John 1:14)
The flesh God took on was that of a Jew, born under the Law.
So, as a Jew he honored His mother and Father as is holy and righteous.
As a Jew he was circumcised on the 8th day as is holy and righteous.
As a human being he ate and drank and had normal human functions. If He had not done so then He would have not been able to atone for the sins of man.

What denomination do you attend?
You dodged that question.
Please answer.
 
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