It's not long before the persecution starts

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

 

[jasonc]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

I highly doubt gay unions go away nor abortion.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

I agree.
Seems like we can't win. The left has been attacking Christianity for years and it would have gotten worse with Hillary as president.

At least the persecution will be from individuals and not from the government - which is worse.

Wondering

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I highly doubt gay unions go away nor abortion.

I agree. But you would think by their response that the left thinks Trump came to proclaim Christianity as the national religion to put an end to those things.

The left has been attacking Christianity for years and it would have gotten worse with Hillary as president.

...yes, but in a different way. Through exclusion and suppression, not open hostility and violence.

 

[ezra]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

i agree i do think some the silly laws will be put away with trump in. but there is a hatred brewing . many christians just have fire insurance and have no idea what the Bible really says

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree. But you would think by their response that the left thinks Trump came to proclaim Christianity as the national religion to put an end to those things.


...yes, but in a different way. Through exclusion and suppression, not open hostility and violence.

Our comportment of allowing them to exclude and suppress our beliefs has lead to the hostility we see today. Jesus said we would be persecuted for believing in Him.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

That's it.
Use propaganda against your own people to turn them into fear mongering haters of each other.

 

[turnorburn]

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.

 

[abide]

I agree.
Seems like we can't win. The left has been attacking Christianity for years and it would have gotten worse with Hillary as president.

At least the persecution will be from individuals and not from the government - which is worse.

Wondering

What is so strange, that neither Barak Obama nor Hillary Clinton are coming out to condemn the rioters. Their silence to me
says a lot. Do they oppose what these folks are doing. If they cannot in good conscience condemn these people it shows that they have let down the American people. These are lawless people. It seems to me that they have two types of laws one for one set of people and another for someone else. If these two people are willing to see people's businesses and property damaged what message are they sending.
I hope that IF the National Guards have to be called out no one would be upset. This is lawlessness pure and simple. What are the professors of the colleges saying. Will they be paid for not teaching the student.

 

[GodsGrace]

What is so strange, that neither Barak Obama nor Hillary Clinton are coming out to condemn the rioters. Their silence to me
says a lot. Do they oppose what these folks are doing. If they cannot in good conscience condemn these people it shows that they have let down the American people. These are lawless people. It seems to me that they have two types of laws one for one set of people and another for someone else. If these two people are willing to see people's businesses and property damaged what message are they sending.
I hope that IF the National Guards have to be called out no one would be upset. This is lawlessness pure and simple. What are the professors of the colleges saying. Will they be paid for not teaching the student.

Abide, it's what the college professors teach kids that is causing the rioting. They get taught that there is no God, morals are relative, the right hates everyone and they are closed minded and facsist. Young people are impressionable and tend to respect their professors. What do you expect !

It has become apparent that there are two levels of justice in the US.
One for the Clinton's and one for everyone else.

Of course they should come out and say something.
Obama had No Problem blaming a policeman when a black person was shot even before knowing the facts!

I heard only this morning that in such a case ( can't remember which) the jury was deadlocked and could not decide the culpability of the cop. This means there was a lot of doubt as to his guilt.

Double standard once again.

 

[Mustard Socks]

I think when the court case that allowed interracial marriage was decided as a civil right people were then saying the same thing as they are today about homosexual civil unions. I will not call them marriages.

"It'll be repealed. It can't stand. It's not right and someone will correct that error!"

And those people if alive are still waiting. Meanwhile, it was inevitable that the pursuit on constitutional grounds would transpire. And being the 14th amendment was there all along even when homosexual unions were illegal, it finally did. And right behind it all manner of other non-traditional community activities and people sought their rights too.

Now, if a Christian child appears to be praying over their lunch in a government school that child can be punished. While in that same school a little girl in first grade who claims she has a little boy inside can demand and receive special privilege . And she will be addressed using male pronouns, and allowed entry into all area's of the school traditionally restricted to boys. Or, those who object are the ones who will be punished. Or even sued.

It's the antithesis of righteousness, rightness, turn in the world.

I believe that's why the saints will now find out the meaning of the many parables in scripture that may not have resonated with us before. Namely in this matter, the wheat from the chaff.
And, that while we are living in this world we are not to be part of it.

What I foresee, because in my view soft persecution has already began and has been in practice for a number of years now, the church will exercise its constitutional rights. Now when Christians in the public arena are belittled or persecuted using the phrase, separation of church and state, we'll actually turn that around in near future to our advantage.
I foresee a mass exodus movement wherein the church invokes that very thing. Separation. And as such because our religious ideology does not comport with the ever falling secular one that is making allowances for all manner of intolerable behaviors, we'll seek to separate ourselves from that legal erosion by law.

We'll seek to have marriage as defined in scripture and created first by God to be an union that is separate from the state's co-mingling with homosexuals. Religious union. And in the process, we'll invoke that 14th amendment atop the 1st. We'll demand and receive the same rights as are afforded those who in the secular realm are deemed "married", which is a legal civil union itself.
Which is to say, we'll still receive all the benefits and privileges afforded those that are married in the secular realm. Not lose those rights and privileges because we are citizens invoking our religious freedoms in the ecclesiastical realm.

In this world there are those who are destined for Heaven. And those who are damned to Hell. I don't believe any manner of protests on our part is going to change those minds of the one's happy to go to Hell. Because I don't believe God's will in all things is something that the courts can adjust.
However, I do believe we the saints are entitled to separate ourselves from the state that wants to turn all of America into a Hell that the Christian is expected to navigate using their faith, their Bible and their hope as a shield. I think if America is turning into a Hell by law that the saints are entitled to extricate themselves from that Hell the same way; by law.

And I foresee a movement to that effect in the near future. Apathy is the enemy of freedom. We have to get off our backsides and work as diligently in that regard as did those who's success in their unrighteousness becoming a civil right did.

 

[turnorburn]

What is so strange, that neither Barak Obama nor Hillary Clinton are coming out to condemn the rioters. Their silence to me
says a lot. Do they oppose what these folks are doing. If they cannot in good conscience condemn these people it shows that they have let down the American people. These are lawless people. It seems to me that they have two types of laws one for one set of people and another for someone else. If these two people are willing to see people's businesses and property damaged what message are they sending.
I hope that IF the National Guards have to be called out no one would be upset. This is lawlessness pure and simple. What are the professors of the colleges saying. Will they be paid for not teaching the student.

The same force that drove this country into the civil war is the same force behind this movement..

 

[JLB]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

Agreed.


The lack of mature leadership in the Church, together with unbiblical doctrines and lifestyle have produced a generation of Christians that have embraced a lawless culture that we now see in the Church in America.


JLB

 

[turnorburn]

A lot of it is a fear to speak out knowing that persecution will follow..

 

[Deborah13]

Now, if a Christian child appears to be praying over their lunch in a government school that child can be punished.

That is not true at all.

We'll seek to have marriage as defined in scripture and created first by God to be an union that is separate from the state's co-mingling with homosexuals. Religious union. And in the process, we'll invoke that 14th amendment atop the 1st. We'll demand and receive the same rights as are afforded those who in the secular realm are deemed "married", which is a legal civil union itself.
Which is to say, we'll still receive all the benefits and privileges afforded those that are married in the secular realm. Not lose those rights and privileges because we are citizens invoking our religious freedoms in the ecclesiastical realm.

If you are married now and signed a marriage license with your state, you are already married in the secular (government) realm.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying?

However, I do believe we the saints are entitled to separate ourselves from the state that wants to turn all of America into a Hell that the Christian is expected to navigate using their faith, their Bible and their hope as a shield. I think if America is turning into a Hell by law that the saints are entitled to extricate themselves from that Hell the same way; by law.

So what is it you want to extricate yourself from, by the law?

 

[Deborah13]

I'm not a prophet, but I think it won't be long before the hatred and contempt of the anti-Trump crowds spills over into unfair, lawless, even violent persecution of Christians. I hope I'm wrong, and I will gladly acknowledge I was wrong if the next few months or years do not prove me correct.

The sad part about it is most of us Christians are completely unprepared to defend our faith during this time. It's not that the lawless, pleasure loving peoples of America would relent if they just understood the real truth about Christianity. It's just that our own inability to properly represent the truths of the faith will only fuel all the more the misguided and distorted perceptions and beliefs about Christianity that lawless Americans already have. We're sitting ducks for their onslaught of criticism and contempt of the faith because, generally speaking, we don't know and live the truth ourselves.

I noticed this way back in the 90's that too many fringe Christians who don't know, live, and represent the Christian faith properly and honestly are what America sees while we sit helpless to explain the difference between real Christianity and the misguided version that gets all the attention in the media because our own lives appear so hypocritical and Biblically inaccurate.

We've all been afraid of Muslim persecution coming to America. But I think our greatest fear should be from the seemingly safe, normal, working class people living right next to us. God help us when Christians and their beliefs get in the way of their grasping, pleasure loving, lawless ways. Frankly, I'm aghast at the lawless response of America to Trump's election as if he's going to outlaw the sin American's love so much. I see it only getting worse, not better.

Can you give some examples of what you think this persecution will look like?

 

[reba]

I think when the court case that allowed interracial marriage was decided as a civil right people were then saying the same thing as they are today about homosexual civil unions. I will not call them marriages.

I would like to understand what you are saying in this short quote?

 

[reba]

That is not true at all.

That depends on the local school.. Also what does punish mean ...

 

[Mike S]

We have to remember that for someone today, each of us will be the face of Christianity. How we treat others will speak louder than anything we say.

 

[JLB]

Can you give some examples of what you think this persecution will look like?

Maybe something as simple as prison.

http://www.persecution.com/public/newsroom.aspx?story_ID==383234


As the date of her long-anticipated release from prison neared, Cheng Jie wondered whether her young sons would even remember her. She’d spent the last two years at a labor camp in China, and she hadn’t seen her sons at all during her imprisonment.

Cheng Jie — a young mother, a pastor’s wife, and a former kindergarten director — never anticipated her 2014 arrest. With a husband who was a pastor in China where religion is tightly controlled, she and her husband, Du Hongbo, had prepared for his possible arrest, but never hers. In the end, it was her role as the director of the Hualin Foreign Language Experimental Kindergarten that took her to prison for two years.

Chinese authorities charged the school and its administration of “illegal business operations,” due to the use of what the authorities called religious curriculum. The school was closed, and four people associated with it, including Cheng Jie, were arrested.

In Prison

Cheng Jie, in a photo taken by the prison

At first, prison was a scary time for Cheng Jie. She had never known anyone with drug problems or who engaged in criminal behavior, but here she was, suddenly crammed in a cell with 15 criminals. Some of her cellmates were due to be put to death for committing murders. Their 15 by 15 foot cell had one toilet for the women to share. Quarrels would often break out between the women. Others would sob continually. The women were expected to work 12-hour work days and were fed very little, usually rice with boiled cabbage or radishes. Soon, however, Cheng Jie realized she had a unique opportunity to minister to the other women, and she began to love them.

“Even though I was in prison, I felt like I am happy because I have the joy from God,” she said.

Her husband was allowed to visit once a month, but the children, who were 1- and 3-years-old when she was arrested, were not allowed to come. During their visits, the husband and wife encouraged one another, but the guards refused to allow him to give Cheng a Bible.