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Jeremiah 1:5

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As you wish Brother. It is a good topic. In Jeremiah 1:5 it says the Lord knew us before we were in the womb...

Meaning we were already alive before we were born on earth, and He knew us. We undoubtedly had some sort of relationship and talked with Him...otherwise He wouldn't be able to say that in verse 5.

So we already had a life with the Lord and one day we woke up as a baby on earth, and couldn't remember where we came from. He's restrained our memories from us!

Unless someone told us, we wouldn't know Him if He walked by on the street. Couldn't recognize Him. There's examples of this in scripture too. Luke 24:13-

The story of the road to Emmaus, where Jesus appears to a couple of His disciples on the road after His resurrection...

Verses 15-16
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.../

The same thing as He's done to us too, basically. He did it to Mary at the tomb too. She thought He was the gardner!

And we knew Him before we were born here. So we've talked who knows how many times with Him, face to face. Right? Does that make sense? It does.

So I figure He prolly let us choose which family to be born into here on earth.

Each different person, and family has it's own circumstances and trials that come with it, that the person would have to go through. ..with appropriate Blessings according to the circumstances of the trial...

My guess would be, those folks who's lives are tragically cut short, and perhaps also those saddled with disabilities, were trials which will come with special blessings when we get to go home again. Well, when Father & Son come to pick us up that is, lol.
(I bet we go home in style!)
 
Hmmm. I would have never picked my family, given the chance. By about age 15 my Dad told me that when he got his diagnosis of MS at the same time as finding out I would be born, he could never differentiate me from his disease.

Do you think that might impact how I'm inclined to view my heavenly Father? The notion that I might someday be able to do something that pleases Him makes absolutely no sense to me; I can't fathom it. And I'm really good at grasping concepts.
It took me over a decade of being radically saved to settle with the notion that God loves me. Now I can even entertain the idea that He likes me; but only due to His incredible long-suffering. Yet I can minister to others that God actually enjoys their company readily, and sometimes with power that's palpable.

Some will say our own experience isn't the best basis for theology. Ok. The idea here is also a formalized heresy. Origen was condemned for it in 553. LDS embraces it.

Notice God can still "know us in the womb" without us pre-existing as Christ did.
 
How could He know us if we didn't exist yet? If He knew us, doesn't that imply that there was interaction between us?

For example, we know each other, to a certain extent. And how or why do we? Because we have talked and interacted here. If you had never become a member here (been born) it wouldn't be possible.

If you disagree, then what's your take on Jeremiah 1:5?
 
As you wish Brother. It is a good topic. In Jeremiah 1:5 it says the Lord knew us before we were in the womb...

Meaning we were already alive before we were born on earth, and He knew us. We undoubtedly had some sort of relationship and talked with Him...otherwise He wouldn't be able to say that in verse 5.

So we already had a life with the Lord and one day we woke up as a baby on earth, and couldn't remember where we came from. He's restrained our memories from us!

Unless someone told us, we wouldn't know Him if He walked by on the street. Couldn't recognize Him. There's examples of this in scripture too. Luke 24:13-

The story of the road to Emmaus, where Jesus appears to a couple of His disciples on the road after His resurrection...

Verses 15-16
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.../

The same thing as He's done to us too, basically. He did it to Mary at the tomb too. She thought He was the gardner!

And we knew Him before we were born here. So we've talked who knows how many times with Him, face to face. Right? Does that make sense? It does.

So I figure He prolly let us choose which family to be born into here on earth.

Each different person, and family has it's own circumstances and trials that come with it, that the person would have to go through. ..with appropriate Blessings according to the circumstances of the trial...

My guess would be, those folks who's lives are tragically cut short, and perhaps also those saddled with disabilities, were trials which will come with special blessings when we get to go home again. Well, when Father & Son come to pick us up that is, lol.
(I bet we go home in style!)

If we shaved all of Papa Zoom 's hair...head and beard and put new clothes on him we wouldn't recognize him either.
 
If you consider that God is timeless...
Meaning that time is a construct built by God...
Then God knowing us before we were born is an easy thing.
Our time trapped brains can't fathom this...
 
As you wish Brother. It is a good topic. In Jeremiah 1:5 it says the Lord knew us before we were in the womb...

Meaning we were already alive before we were born on earth, and He knew us. We undoubtedly had some sort of relationship and talked with Him...otherwise He wouldn't be able to say that in verse 5.

So we already had a life with the Lord and one day we woke up as a baby on earth, and couldn't remember where we came from. He's restrained our memories from us!

Unless someone told us, we wouldn't know Him if He walked by on the street. Couldn't recognize Him. There's examples of this in scripture too. Luke 24:13-

The story of the road to Emmaus, where Jesus appears to a couple of His disciples on the road after His resurrection...

Verses 15-16
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.../

The same thing as He's done to us too, basically. He did it to Mary at the tomb too. She thought He was the gardner!

And we knew Him before we were born here. So we've talked who knows how many times with Him, face to face. Right? Does that make sense? It does.

So I figure He prolly let us choose which family to be born into here on earth.

Each different person, and family has it's own circumstances and trials that come with it, that the person would have to go through. ..with appropriate Blessings according to the circumstances of the trial...

My guess would be, those folks who's lives are tragically cut short, and perhaps also those saddled with disabilities, were trials which will come with special blessings when we get to go home again. Well, when Father & Son come to pick us up that is, lol.
(I bet we go home in style!)
thinking about this and thinking of what all scripture says

my first thoughts are God knew us before we were formed in the womb but i can't think of a scripture that says we knew Him

so what does that mean? - God knew us before He created us? - we were in His heart/mind before He created us? - kinda like inventors have their creation in their mind before they set about creating their invention?

still thinking and praying - but this is as far as i got on what Jeremiah 1:5 could mean
 
thinking about this and thinking of what all scripture says

my first thoughts are God knew us before we were formed in the womb but i can't think of a scripture that says we knew Him

so what does that mean? - God knew us before He created us? - we were in His heart/mind before He created us - kinda like inventors have their creation in their mind before they set about creating their invention?

still thinking and praying - but this is as far as i got on what Jeremiah 1:5 could mean

I'm almost positive that there's a scripture that says God wrote a book about each of us before the foundation of the world? Is that right?
 
I'm almost positive that there's a scripture that says God wrote a book about each of us before the foundation of the world? Is that right?
i will search and see

all the scripture we can find will help clarify

great thread - thanks
 
I'm almost positive that there's a scripture that says God wrote a book about each of us before the foundation of the world? Is that right?
KNEW BEFORE WOMB
Psalms 139:16
Ephesians 1:4-5
Revelation 13:8
Zechariah 12:1
PREDESTINED - BEFORE WOMB?
Ephesians 2:10
Romans 8:29
FROM THE WOMB
Galatians 1:15
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 49:1
Psalms 22:10
Luke 1:15
 
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Hmmm. I would have never picked my family, given the chance. By about age 15 my Dad told me that when he got his diagnosis of MS at the same time as finding out I would be born, he could never differentiate me from his disease.

Do you think that might impact how I'm inclined to view my heavenly Father? The notion that I might someday be able to do something that pleases Him makes absolutely no sense to me; I can't fathom it. And I'm really good at grasping concepts.
It took me over a decade of being radically saved to settle with the notion that God loves me. Now I can even entertain the idea that He likes me; but only due to His incredible long-suffering. Yet I can minister to others that God actually enjoys their company readily, and sometimes with power that's palpable.

Some will say our own experience isn't the best basis for theology. Ok. The idea here is also a formalized heresy. Origen was condemned for it in 553. LDS embraces it.

Notice God can still "know us in the womb" without us pre-existing as Christ did.

That must've been not so pretty to go through Brother. But if our memory (or spiritual eyes) were beholden from us, like examples in scripture are given...Then maybe you would have made that choice? It's possible that you just can't remember the...factors which led you to make that choice? (This is a speculation of mine, Brother's & Sisters. I'm not trying to make this dogmatic...just talking what if's)

When Jesus showed up on the shoreline and they were out fishing...they couldn't recognize Him, so we do know that the Lord does things like this.
 
If you consider that God is timeless...
Meaning that time is a construct built by God...
Then God knowing us before we were born is an easy thing.
Our time trapped brains can't fathom this...

Fair enough, Brother. But if I'm wrong about this...take a stab at why it would be wrong. Does it contradict any scripture? (None that I know of).

I think it's a non-salvific issue. So that's good at least lol.
 
checked out 75 scriptures from a link and found this:
GOD KNEW US BEFORE WOMB
Psalms 139:16
Ephesians 1:4-5
Revelation 13:8
Zechariah 12:1
GOD PREDESTINED US - BEFORE WOMB? - NOT CLEAR BUT PROBABLY
Ephesians 2:10
Romans 8:29
GOD KNEW US FROM THE WOMB - AND WE KNEW HIM FROM THE WOMB
Galatians 1:15
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 49:1
Psalms 22:10
Luke 1:15

can't find any scripture that we know God before the womb
 
checked out 75 scriptures from a link and found this:
GOD KNEW US BEFORE WOMB
Psalms 139:16
Ephesians 1:4-5
Revelation 13:8
Zechariah 12:1
GOD PREDESTINED US - BEFORE WOMB? - NOT CLEAR BUT PROBABLY
Ephesians 2:10
Romans 8:29
GOD KNEW US FROM THE WOMB - AND WE KNEW HIM FROM THE WOMB
Galatians 1:15
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 49:1
Psalms 22:10
Luke 1:15

can't find any scripture that we know God before the womb
one thing about these 11 scriptures - it for sure proves we are a human being from conception - not a mindless blob of tissue that can be murdered via abortion
 
This is an amazing thread. God is all knowing, so I can see how He knew us before we were born. He knew everything we would do, and so perhaps this is where predestiny comes into it.

Psalm 139:16
Convinces me.
 
Okay...let's try this:

Since Jesus was the first to enter Heaven...
How did Moses and Elijah appear on the Mount of Transfiguration?
 
Okay...let's try this:

Since Jesus was the first to enter Heaven...
How did Moses and Elijah appear on the Mount of Transfiguration?
yes - great question

was anyone in heaven before the cross?

where did the righteous dead go before the cross? - i think abraham's bosom - Luke 16:24

elijah - enoch - moses - where were they before the cross? - these 3 were taken by God

everyone else it says rested with their fathers after death - where were they before the cross?
 
That must've been not so pretty to go through Brother. But if our memory (or spiritual eyes) were beholden from us, like examples in scripture are given...Then maybe you would have made that choice? It's possible that you just can't remember the...factors which led you to make that choice? (This is a speculation of mine, Brother's & Sisters. I'm not trying to make this dogmatic...just talking what if's)

When Jesus showed up on the shoreline and they were out fishing...they couldn't recognize Him, so we do know that the Lord does things like this.

I'd have to read it again but I'm pretty sure they didn't know him because He was in his glorified body. They recognized Him from his works and what He said, not by sight.
 
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