Jesus as a Bodhisattva

[Free]

I don't think it would be accurate to say that God is outside the realm of logic. Rather, he is pure reason, the source of logic. He doesn't necessarily do things that contradict as much as he does things beyond our limited understanding and comprehension.

As such, I don't think God could contradict himself as that would make him illogical.

 

[Loren Michael]

I don't think it would be accurate to say that God is outside the realm of logic. Rather, he is pure reason, the source of logic. He doesn't necessarily do things that contradict as much as he does things beyond our limited understanding and comprehension.

As such, I don't think God could contradict himself as that would make him illogical.

my understanding of pure logic is like that of a computer. logic itself is impeded my emotions, humanity and whatnot. my understanding of something of pure reason would exclude characteristics of being a "jealous god" and the like.

keep in mind that i don't feel that contradictions necesarily are a bad thing. they can simply be characteristics of a fluid reality. i mean no disparagement of god when i attribute him as such.

why is god purported to be pure reason? what is the biblical stance on this, what is the interpretation that would indicate it, or whatever?

He doesn't necessarily do things that contradict as much as he does things beyond our limited understanding and comprehension.

i agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

 

[Free]

my understanding of pure logic is like that of a computer. logic itself is impeded my emotions, humanity and whatnot. my understanding of something of pure reason would exclude characteristics of being a "jealous god" and the like.

I should be careful with what I am saying. By "pure reason" I mean "the highest reason," or perhaps better yet "perfect reason". I do not mean that God is purely reason with no emotion, like Spock or a computer; God's ability to reason, to be logical, isn't impeded by his emotions and isn't contradictory.

keep in mind that i don't feel that contradictions necesarily are a bad thing. they can simply be characteristics of a fluid reality. i mean no disparagement of god when i attribute him as such.

Do you have an example of a contradiction in mind, whether biblical or theoretical?

why is god purported to be pure reason? what is the biblical stance on this, what is the interpretation that would indicate it, or whatever?

Off the top of my head I would give you John 1:1. The logos, the Word, was considered the highest reason in the universe to the Greeks. There is also the verse that speaks of man's wisdom being but foolishness to God.

I would argue that if we are rational beings and that most/all things are consistent with our laws of rationality, that God, being omniscient, would be that much more rational then we. It would seem that the laws of reason are so foundational to our knowing and discovering truth, that if God could contradict any of these laws, we could never know the truth about him.

How about a paraphrase of C. S. Lewis: nonsense is still nonsense even when it is talked about of God.

Just a few jumbled thoughts. If any of it makes sense, explain it to me. ;)

 

[Lonelyguide]

The French say "fais bien et laisse dire" or, "do well and let people talk."

My dear Free ... I've never allowed others to make up my mind for me and when it came to Truth I have always listened to only one voice ... the one within. What do you think? Should we allow others to do our thinking and deciding for us or were we perhaps given a mind and a will to do these things ourselves?

But of course, you are the spiritual one who "truly thinks for yourself," while anyone who disagrees is having their thinking done for them. And this proves another point I have made, whether in this thread or another I do not remember. Where is the humility? Your spirituality is leaving you spiritually proud; this is not a sign of Christian spirituality.

It is called diplomacy when one tells someone that he has "an open mind", when, in reality, that person clearly has "a hole in his head." Words, Free, can be used in many ways. Some show wisdom and heart, but other ways are clearly an expression of ego. I am sure that I can leave it up to you and to everyone else who reads them how to qualify what you wrote above. What I was trying to express is merely that everyone has his own responsibility when it comes to his soul. Others may think differently and may leave it to others to decide for them, but ... for me ... my soul is a serious "business" and I will pass this responsibility to nobody else. I also believe that those who will take the responsibility for the soul of others are hypocrites. In my opinion one only has the right to do so when one Knows what is what and when one is "without sin." Just my two cents and if others wish to view things differently ... great. Some, whether they like it or not, simply do have "open minds" :

As I stated, the full truth is in Holy Scripture

Good for you if that is what you wish to think. For me, however, thoughts of that kind imply that not one of God's manifestations during the past sixteen or so centuries would have any value. Peraps you can, but I cannot limit my God in that way. My God is without limits.

 

[bibleberean]

No revelations that contradict the word of God have any real value.

Anyone can claim to have "higher knowledge" and "private revelation".

The bible is the Christians criterion for faith and practice.


Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

All hereticks want to take us as far from the scriptures as possible.

That way they can promote any agenda they want...

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Ministers of Satan...

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[Loren Michael]

my understanding of pure logic is like that of a computer. logic itself is impeded my emotions, humanity and whatnot. my understanding of something of pure reason would exclude characteristics of being a "jealous god" and the like.

I should be careful with what I am saying. By "pure reason" I mean "the highest reason," or perhaps better yet "perfect reason". I do not mean that God is purely reason with no emotion, like Spock or a computer; God's ability to reason, to be logical, isn't impeded by his emotions and isn't contradictory.

fair enough. i can appreciate that idea.

keep in mind that i don't feel that contradictions necesarily are a bad thing. they can simply be characteristics of a fluid reality. i mean no disparagement of god when i attribute him as such.

Do you have an example of a contradiction in mind, whether biblical or theoretical?

not particularly. i was simply under the impression that if god wishes to contradict himself, it's not a bad thing, and not necessarily illogical. it could be merely an externality of a change in god's desire. sorry i don't have anything specific in mind. i'm just thinking in a general sense.

why is god purported to be pure reason? what is the biblical stance on this, what is the interpretation that would indicate it, or whatever?

Off the top of my head I would give you John 1:1. The logos, the Word, was considered the highest reason in the universe to the Greeks. There is also the verse that speaks of man's wisdom being but foolishness to God.

I would argue that if we are rational beings and that most/all things are consistent with our laws of rationality, that God, being omniscient, would be that much more rational then we. It would seem that the laws of reason are so foundational to our knowing and discovering truth, that if God could contradict any of these laws, we could never know the truth about him.

How about a paraphrase of C. S. Lewis: nonsense is still nonsense even when it is talked about of God.

Just a few jumbled thoughts. If any of it makes sense, explain it to me. ;)[/quote]

i think i get a sense of where you're coming from. as of right now, my thoughts are clouded from too much of a second helping of turkey, but i'll pop back tomorrow and see if i can't string togeteher a post that is both sound and intersting, as you have done.

 

[Lonelyguide]

No revelations that contradict the word of God have any real value.

Revelations are from God. God does not contradict Himself.

Anyone can claim to have "higher knowledge" and "private revelation".

Of course, everyone can. I, however, would rather base myself on an approach to life which implies that in essence everyone is "good" and I will gladly leave it to others to, if they so desire, base themselves on the premise that everyone is likely to be "bad."

hereticks, Ministers of Satan, false apostles, deceitful workers

You forgot the vipers and the serpents. And I do hope that I didn't leave any of your other favourite pets out. What happened to the fire and brimstone by the way?

 

[bibleberean]

The difference between a Christian and a person who is deceived into thinking they are "spiritual" is that a true Christian believes the bible while a false teacher believes any lie that tickles their deceived ears.

Man is a fallen being and needs a saviour.

Jesus taught that only God is good.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Those who teach that man is already a child of God is calling Jesus a liar.

The bible teaches that no man is good...

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Man needs a Saviour and that Saviour is Jesus Christ and no one else.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

All frauds and liars have "their own way to heaven" or "enlightenment".

They all claim to be "children of light".

They are all liars.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


All those who reject Christ and His gospel will perish and will die in their sins.

John 8:23-24 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

We can believe Christ and His word or we can believe Satan and his deceived dupes and bimbos that masquerade as children of light.

 

[soma]

Christians use the Bible and narrow interpretations to manipulate others to do their bidding. Our president is one who uses the Bible to get his way. Check out the site below.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news_updates/nz1086.htm

 

[Soma-Sight]

All frauds and liars have "their own way to heaven" or "enlightenment".

They all claim to be "children of light".

They are all liars.

BB,

You sound like you need a hug and a back massage....

God knows that I do!

So here is a internet hug to you from me....

#$% HUGS #$% :angel:

 

[bibleberean]

All frauds and liars have "their own way to heaven" or "enlightenment".

They all claim to be "children of light".

They are all liars.

BB,

You sound like you need a hug and a back massage....

God knows that I do!

So here is a internet hug to you from me....

#$% HUGS #$% :angel:

You need to learn basic Christian doctrine. I don't need a hug or a back massage. I get those every day...

But seriously,

All frauds and liars have "their own way to heaven" or "enlightenment".

They all claim to be "children of light".

They are all liars.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Solo]

No revelations that contradict the word of God have any real value.

Revelations are from God. God does not contradict Himself.

Anyone can claim to have "higher knowledge" and "private revelation".

Of course, everyone can. I, however, would rather base myself on an approach to life which implies that in essence everyone is "good" and I will gladly leave it to others to, if they so desire, base themselves on the premise that everyone is likely to be "bad."

hereticks, Ministers of Satan, false apostles, deceitful workers

You forgot the vipers and the serpents. And I do hope that I didn't leave any of your other favourite pets out. What happened to the fire and brimstone by the way?

Jesus' thoughts on the essence that everyone is "good".........

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:16-17

 

[Soma-Sight]

You need to learn basic Christian doctrine. I don't need a hug or a back massage. I get those every day...

Which doctrine????

Maybe the one that says to Love thy neighbor even if he is mean to you???

That one?

We all know that Jesus is going to fly down and take us to Heaven so if that is what you meant.......

In fact here is a pic for you...

I never disagreed on that point....

http://www.eborg3.com/Graphics/Bible/66 ... oming4.jpg

For the 4,000 plus posts you put up BB I wonder how many are positive???

That is all I am trying to say. Be nice your a moderator!!!

 

[Soma-Sight]

Ministers of Satan...

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Hey BB,

Isnt it interesting that the Ministers of Satan USE THE WORD OF GOD as well????

That is kind of odd isnt it????

That means that false prophets are IN THE CHURCH!

Ooopppssss.... :

In fact Satan uses the Word of God in the temptations of Christ in the wilderness.....

Maybe Saturday worship isnt so bad after all eh? :roll:

 

[bibleberean]

Ministers of Satan...

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Hey BB,

Isnt it interesting that the Ministers of Satan USE THE WORD OF GOD as well????

That is kind of odd isnt it????

That means that false prophets are IN THE CHURCH!

Ooopppssss.... :

In fact Satan uses the Word of God in the temptations of Christ in the wilderness.....

Maybe Saturday worship isnt so bad after all eh? :roll:

No, I don't find it odd. Ellen G. White used the word of God and she was a minister of Satan and a false prophet.

Hereticks are not new...and Satan has been using the same tactics since the fall.

I worship everyday. They all belong to God...

Wasn't this topic about "Jesus as a Bodhivista" or some such nonesense?

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Buddha's teachings and the Gospel of Christ

1. Both are Gospels of Peace
2. Both preach non violence
3. Both preach Love and Compassion for fellow man

Buddha: With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging.

Jesus: Those who want to save their life will loose it. Those who loose their live for my sake will save it.

Buddha: If you do not tend to one another then who is there to tend to you? Whoever who would tend me, he should tend the sick.

Jesus: Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these, so you have done it unto me.

Buddha: Consider others as yourself.

Jesus: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Buddha: One who acts on truth is happy, in this world and beyond.

Jesus: You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.

Buddha:Hatred do not ever cease in this world by hating, but by love; this is an eternal truth... Overcome anger by love, Overcome evil by good. overcome the miser by giving, overcome the liar by truth.

Jesus: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. From anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again.

 

[bibleberean]

Buddhists don't believe in that Jesus was God or that Jesus was the Son of God.

Buddhist teachings are antichrist and those who support these teachings are antichrist as well.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23-25 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The Buddhist gospel is not the gospel of Christ.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"

That's the way it is...

 

[Soma-Sight]

Buddhists don't believe in that Jesus was God or that Jesus was the Son of God.

Buddhist teachings are antichrist and those who support these teachings are antichrist as well.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23-25 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The Buddhist gospel is not the gospel of Christ.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"

That's the way it is...

Who ever said that Jesus was not the Christ????

lol...

Do you understand the word "parallel" or have you ever heard of "similarities"...????

If person A says do not kill and person B says do not kill.......

Than person A and person B "parallel" each other on a moral point.

Christ IS a Bodhisativa to MANY buddhists whether you want to admit it or not.....

Buddha IS a Christlike example and figure to many Christians whether you want to admit it or not.....

Thats the way it is...

:bday:

 

[bibleberean]

The Jesus of the bible is not the Jesus of the Buddhists.

Buddhists deny the Father and the Son.

Not all that complicated.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You can bear with the Jesus of the Buddhists if you want. Don't expect the biblically literate to accept the doctrines of peyote lovers and a religion that does not believe Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Solo]

Buddhists don't believe in that Jesus was God or that Jesus was the Son of God.

Buddhist teachings are antichrist and those who support these teachings are antichrist as well.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23-25 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The Buddhist gospel is not the gospel of Christ.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"

That's the way it is...

Who ever said that Jesus was not the Christ????

lol...

Do you understand the word "parallel" or have you ever heard of "similarities"...????

If person A says do not kill and person B says do not kill.......

Than person A and person B "parallel" each other on a moral point.

Christ IS a Bodhisativa to MANY buddhists whether you want to admit it or not.....

Buddha IS a Christlike example and figure to many Christians whether you want to admit it or not.....

Thats the way it is...

:bday:

Have you ever heard of counterfeit? Have you ever heard of false teachings? Have you ever heard of satan deceiving whoever he can to destroy them? Have you never been born of God so that you can have a true relationship with the creator, instead of a relationship with false gods and false teachers?